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Rugby World Cup 2023

By Lionator, in General Football and Sport

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Tielemans63

Tielemans63

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Best game of the tournament so far. Shame for Radradra at the end there, they'd worked hard for that opportunity, and he's had an absolute shocker.

 

Without wanting to upset Finnegan, how Wales got just the one yellow card in 80 minutes was a mystery.

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Finnegan

Finnegan

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11 minutes ago, MPH said:

Must say, Wales didn’t do anything Leicester wouldn’t have done to see out the win when under the cosh.

 

I mean it shouldn't have come to that really. We were extremely comfortable. 

 

But you'd expect some nerves given our recent form. It's a shame. I think if we'd seen it out by two or three scores it would have done us a world of good. 

 

MPH

MPH

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1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

I mean it shouldn't have come to that really. We were extremely comfortable. 

 

But you'd expect some nerves given our recent form. It's a shame. I think if we'd seen it out by two or three scores it would have done us a world of good. 

 

 

 

Well at 32-14 and going into the 73rd minute minute the mistake as you say is letting your foot off the peddle..and that knock on at the corner at the end… still there’s no guarantee  of a conversion from that angle.

 

well it’s Portugal next which should give you the chance to rest any bumps and bruises and then a nice 8 day gap until Australia.. if Wales get into any kind of lead against Australia you can expect a very different Welsh game plan… they’ll have been surprised by the Fiji  fight back and will know they got away with it a bit at the end . 
 

 

but it’s good the scare came now as one would  hope  you’ll be better prepared/ rehearsed if it happens again. 

 

Finnegan

Finnegan

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7 hours ago, MPH said:

hey’ll have been surprised by the Fiji  fight back and will know they got away with it a bit at the end . 

 

I dont agree with that part tbf. Like I've said, this is an extremely different Fiji to what we've historically seen. 

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fuchsntf

fuchsntf

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Inconsistent Refereeing at a Rugby WCup!!

Curry ,rightly gets sent off..

Afterwards..in other games,no sending off.one Eg,:S.Africa Vs Scotland

Tuilagi..has often been sent off in these last 4-6 years at International level,for leading with shoulder or not unarming his opponent when tackling...

3-4 times ignored or not considered worthwhile in this WCup,the worse being Dan Bigger(Wales) & partner,while defending on their line against Fiji..The ref had the audacity to say the attempt was there..Wrong & wrong..he didn't attempt & besides...,endangering the opposition yellow card at least..

Players might not want to have head contact..but their false tackling position,means it automatically happens.endangering opponent.

Yellow or red card...

The inconsistency is first poor,but unfair to ALL other teams, for various but obvious reasons..

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Finnegan

Finnegan

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25 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Inconsistent Refereeing at a Rugby WCup!!

Curry ,rightly gets sent off..

Afterwards..in other games,no sending off.one Eg,:S.Africa Vs Scotland

Tuilagi..has often been sent off in these last 4-6 years at International level,for leading with shoulder or not unarming his opponent when tackling...

3-4 times ignored or not considered worthwhile in this WCup,the worse being Dan Bigger(Wales) & partner,while defending on their line against Fiji..The ref had the audacity to say the attempt was there..Wrong & wrong..he didn't attempt & besides...,endangering the opposition yellow card at least..

Players might not want to have head contact..but their false tackling position,means it automatically happens.endangering opponent.

Yellow or red card...

The inconsistency is first poor,but unfair to ALL other teams, for various but obvious reasons..

 

I mean two Fijians got penalties against them for smacking Welsh players in the head, one of which needed a HIA. Neither got carded. So I'm not sure what Dan Biggar has done to get singled out. 

Finnegan

Finnegan

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15 hours ago, Tielemans63 said:

Best game of the tournament so far. Shame for Radradra at the end there, they'd worked hard for that opportunity, and he's had an absolute shocker.

 

Without wanting to upset Finnegan, how Wales got just the one yellow card in 80 minutes was a mystery.

 

Narh, no offence taken. In all seriousness, of course I understand why people are commenting about the ref but I dont really think it's a mystery. 

 

Rugby is no different to football, sometimes a ref is more card happy, sometimes he's less card happy. How often have we seen football matches where a ref wants to let as much go as possible and allow the game to flow vs ones where a ref will blow up every two minutes? Guys like Andre Mariner often feel like they've turned up to games without their cards and whistle where as Jon Moss or Mike Dean are flourishing them every two minutes. 

 

Same thing in rugby. Matt Carley is refereeing one of the most anticipated, high profile games of the opening weekend. I'd say after New Zealand vs France it was probably the game most neutrals were looking forward to, anticipating batshit, end to end action and the potential of a crowd pleasing "Tier 2" (they really shouldn't be anymore let's be fair) nation beating Tier 1.

 

He's naturally hesitant for that to be decided by cards which has happened a lot in rugby in the last few years, especially for pacific islands sides. 

 

He wasn't eager to go to his pocket for either side. Twice Fijians hit Welsh players in the head and in both instances he was extremely quick to lean towards "penalty only" and get the game moving on. Which I agree with, by the way, so don't think I keep mentioning it out of bitterness, I don't. But we've seen cards given for tackles like that (especially the second) a lot over the last world cup cycle and Carley could very easily have sent someone walking for it last night. 

 

The Fijian yellow they did get gave him very little choice. You can't bring down a maul so obviously cynically that's moving at that momentum towards your own try line. To use a football comparison again, it was the rugby equivalent of pulling back a player by the shirt who is starting a counter attack. You know you're getting a yellow when you're doing it but he probably saved a try so just weighed up the risk and went for it. 

 

Wales DID get a yellow for persistent penalty offences it just came a few minutes later than people supporting Fiji (ie literally everyone who isn't Welsh, which I totally understand) would have liked. It's also slightly cultural, Super Rugby refs Ben O'Keefe or Angus Gardener probably would have gone to the pocket after only a couple of penalties on the try line where as Wayne Barnes or Luke Pearce would probably have been as patient as Carley. 

 

The kind of offences Wales were committing on their own line were just typical ruck infringements and offsides and - to be quite honest - the one bit of probably bias bitterness I do have is how lenient Carley was with Fiji throughout the game on side-entry, sealing off and their own offside line and believe me when I say I'm not the only Wales fan that was chuntering about that. By letting them get away with quite a lot he saved them conceding more turnovers which made the game more interesting to watch but it rewarded their style of play more than ours. All of that ultimately tells you that nobody is ever truly happy with a ref. 

 

But christ have I seen some absurdly over the top shit on social media this morning, all sorts of conspiracy theories, I've even heard people call Carley and world rugby racist and the whole thing a fix. As if an extremely popular Fiji going on a rampage and getting out of their group wouldn't be EXACTLY the sort of drama World Rugby would be desperate for to light up this WC. 

 

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CosbehFox

CosbehFox

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Personally didn’t have a problem with the ref. Given Fiji’s tactics etc at the time, I don’t think it was the game changing decision some are making out. 
 

Think there’s far worse officiating decisions - ie in Scotland v S.Africa game. Not really been mentioned a Chile player did a similar tackle as Curry but received just a yellow. 
 

Btw Chile are a welcome addition to RU. Super team 

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fuchsntf

fuchsntf

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4 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

I mean two Fijians got penalties against them for smacking Welsh players in the head, one of which needed a HIA. Neither got carded. So I'm not sure what Dan Biggar has done to get singled out. 

I am talking about inconsistencies,and Fijians tackles also were not challenged.

Nothing direct against Finnies Wales…

Some of the tackles,with TMO,are still being ignored…

 

I might not agree with authorities interpretation or game perspectives, but in their defence or cop out,they insist today..The tackler and or defender is responsible for his approach,but any player..light scrum half or 17 stone,quick forward is going into a what he sees has an honest attempt tackle ,but in nano seconds,bodies are falling,moving up,being pushed into certain positions out of the perceived natural body movement teammates/oppos contact will detract from or even to,as the said guilty person can ever adjust to. They are are simply accidents of the moment within any single game…Even a shoulder and no arms hitting the guy…

 

one is prepared by movement to grab with spread arms,but the whole movement becomes quicker as anticipated,because of off-balance trajectory of opponent or the drive forward of teammates…before arms become adjusted.

So these rules are expecting in nano seconds a reaction,that you might query from the vision from the outfield of play. It’s easy to give the tackler/defender the responsibility,but one as to be carefull in going to quickly OTT in sanitising every single move & point of the game.  

The rule for itself is not so bad,it should cut out the deliberate or the lazy deliberate not paying attention scenario. In the 70s & 80s the south hemisphere were clever components of giving out “illegal hits“, to wind somebody,take them out completely or grab advantage of the Moment,let’s say in an ungentleman way.

Leading with the shoulder,will always be part of the game,but it depends if you conveniently forget to put your arms forwards.

 

Head to head clashes are not served well with the present > new . < rule. But that small corner of dangerous, convenient lack of forethought has to be there to protect all players. Not forgetting in comparison to yesteryear,there are agreed designated areas of hitting the tackle,and for example all players now  know a standing running tackle is a no go area,but again what happens if you have been crouching from a near completed move

and you find yourself beginning to run to tackle ( a few steps) and after a few steps the opponent runs into you just as you gain full  2/3rds height…Its only Just nano seconds,or even 1second..

Verrry difficult..Creates IMO inconsistent cop-outs

 

 

CosbehFox

CosbehFox

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54 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

As expected when you play the south sea islanders, they seem to have to work way harder for their scores then the more streetwise nations 

 

I know what I’d prefer to watch 

Where is the rugby tactics thread? Will it be dominant by one poster ?

Nalis

Nalis

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Not that it will happen but I really hope we hammer South Africa with a bonus point win and just let Scotland beat us with bonus points galore so we both go through as the expense of SA.

 

At least you English only have to listen to Saffers once every 4 years, us celts have to listen to their annoying arrogance all year round in the URC.

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