Harry Winks

[HighPeakFox]

5 minutes ago, worthosoriginals said:

Turned into a proper thread of hate for the guy this has, i think there's usually one for every player, any that dare make a mistake  the venom ramps up. Do the people posting  the bile never make cock ups at work?

Nothing is ever their fault, i would imagine.

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

Winks wasn't brought in for his mental resilience he was brought in because no other player available to a championship club could control a game like that and dictate play to such an elite standard. 

 

He was ****ing phenomenal last year and has barely had a chance to kick a ball this. 

 

Oh he was, they were both signed as we'd just capitulated to a pathetic relegation with characters who went missing and had zero leadership. Winks whilst a squad player at Spurs was commended for his maturity in his play and they'd hoped would go on to be captain material.

 

I'm being harsh on him this season I know I am but he's been poor in two chunks of games this season. One of the few good things Cooper did was briefly drop him as he'd been pony and we got a reaction. He was very good when he came on vs Southampton and his form picked up. 

 

Since he's come back from his injury under Ruud he's struggled again, I really thought we were missing him as well but he's made a clutch of mistakes and he's annoying me.

[Mickyblueeyes]

37 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Oh he was, they were both signed as we'd just capitulated to a pathetic relegation with characters who went missing and had zero leadership. Winks whilst a squad player at Spurs was commended for his maturity in his play and they'd hoped would go on to be captain material.

 

I'm being harsh on him this season I know I am but he's been poor in two chunks of games this season. One of the few good things Cooper did was briefly drop him as he'd been pony and we got a reaction. He was very good when he came on vs Southampton and his form picked up. 

 

Since he's come back from his injury under Ruud he's struggled again, I really thought we were missing him as well but he's made a clutch of mistakes and he's annoying me.

Isn’t that up and down linked to the stop start nature of his season. Cooper had no clue how to use him (see Forest second half where he left to the slaughter) and the injury. Winks, like Tielemans use to be, has to play himself into form. He’ll be a key player this second half. 

[coolhandfox]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I do question him and Coady's mental resilience and leadership, both of which they were brought in for. I think they're chancers personally rather than warriors who get their team across the line.

 

He was excellent last season and he ought to be integral to the way we play in the Prem but he was rightly dropped by Cooper for some tepid displays and then came back with a point to prove and looked much better. He's been the pits under Ruud so far IMO.

Interesting you talk about Winks and mental resilience, metal resilience is defined as the ability to cope with difficult events and situations.

 

Winks has show that in spades, his made mistakes, taking the ball with his back to goal and playing the ball out which has cost goals!

 

Bit he still puts himself into those positions to take the same risks, he never hides and alway wants the ball.

 

That showing mental resilience!

 

Just because you aren't play well doesn't mean you aren't a leader.

 

Coady issue isn't about Leadership he just is good enough at this level.

Edited 11 January by coolhandfox

[dannythefox]

A couple of mistakes today, we won. Move on. He’s not an issue just a bad day at the office.

[Ric Flair]

10 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Interesting you talk about Winks and mental resilience, metal resilience is defined as the ability to cope with difficult events and situations.

 

Winks has show that in spades, his made mistakes, taking the ball with his back to goal and playing the ball out which has cost goals!

 

Bit he still puts himself into those positions to take the same risks, he never hides and alway wants the ball.

 

That showing mental resilience!

 

Just because you aren't play well doesn't mean you aren't a leader.

 

Coady issue isn't about Leadership he just is good enough at this level.

Hmmmmm see i think his mistakes do effect him. Never forget his gaffe away at Watford and then he really struggled for a number of games (the whole team did to be fair).

 

He's integral to how we want to play but there's just something a little bit fragile with him at times and it's magnified in a team struggling but I'd hoped he'd be a leader of sorts after witnessing the pitiful demise of the class of 2022/23.

[coolhandfox]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Hmmmmm see i think his mistakes do effect him. Never forget his gaffe away at Watford and then he really struggled for a number of games (the whole team did to be fair).

 

He's integral to how we want to play but there's just something a little bit fragile with him at times and it's magnified in a team struggling but I'd hoped he'd be a leader of sorts after witnessing the pitiful demise of the class of 2022/23.

His not a machine, it will effect him.

 

But he keep doing it, taking the ball with the back to goal under pressure.

 

I don't think this team issue is mentality, its a lack of quality.

[foxfanazer]

2 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

His not a machine, it will effect him.

 

But he keep doing it, taking the ball with the back to goal under pressure.

 

I don't think this team issue is mentality, its a lack of quality.

I agree, I don't think his issue is mentality. Just don't think he's a premier league standard player 

[Clever Fox]

I guess we're seeing why he never nailed down a starting place at Spurs. It's hard to be too critical of him because he's been very good in most games he's played Apart from a few Brain farts.

 

Today was a Schoolboy error,  You never play the ball back into the middle for obvious reasons. Especially when he could have played it down the line for Vardy and turning them back towards their own goal.

Having said that we don't have anyone who can play that role as good with NDiddi out. So it's a question of keep going and hopefully cut out the mistakes.

 

On the plus side you can see the players have bought into Ruuds systems As little shoots of improvements are showing all over the pitch.

 

We just need to find consistancy and with a few additions we should give ourselves a chance to avoid relegation.

[coolhandfox]

54 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I agree, I don't think his issue is mentality. Just don't think he's a premier league standard player 

I think he would look better in a better side, like he did in the Championship.

 

Players make more clever moment makes it a lot easy for him, player who are better at give and goes at this level.

 

He a ball recycler, he need other capable to do the rest.

[Corky]

The first one I can understand because he's playing it into an area we could build from, just overhit it. The second was so careless.

 

He doesn't hide, though, and will keep going.

[DezFox]

Bad day at the office, usually consistent, one of our better players. Move on. 

[SafewayFox]

13 hours ago, winteriscoming said:

It’s not saying a lot comparing Winks with Coady. 
That’s your opinion but let me know when Winks has a decent game this season.  Both imo are championship level players. We got both in based on name rather than current productivity. Hope I’m wrong but we’re stuck with 2 players who are past their sell by date. 

Winks in the first half against Forest was the best player on the pitch but let’s get our pitchforks out for him due to his mistakes yesterday.

 

I’m not saying Winks is a great as some made out based on last season but him being the next scapegoat when the same posters praise “how much Bouba has improved this season” yet has been invisible for a lot of our conceded goals is baffling to me.

 

 

[Dr The Singh]

I don't understand what people expect of him.  He isn't spectacular at anything, but he wouldn't have signed for a championship club if he was.  

 

Works hard and gives 100%, and he will make mistakes.

[CrazyKopCorner]

13 hours ago, dannythefox said:

A couple of mistakes today, we won. Move on. He’s not an issue just a bad day at the office.

He's seems a very conscientious lad and I think it'll be something that will improve his performances over the next few games. 

[murphy]

1 hour ago, DezFox said:

Bad day at the office, usually consistent, one of our better players. Move on. 

If you're going to have a howler, I suppose yesterday's game was the ideal game to do it.  No harm done.

[shiv]

People really have short memories. We looked absolutely dreadful when he was injured. He’s by far our best central midfielder and we’re lucky to have him. He had an off day which happens. 

[HankMarvin]

26 minutes ago, shiv said:

People really have short memories. We looked absolutely dreadful when he was injured. He’s by far our best central midfielder and we’re lucky to have him. He had an off day which happens. 

As someone previously stated he has started 13 and we haven’t won any of them and we have gained 4 points, Just 1 assist in those games.
Funnily enough you say we looked dreadful when he was injured but we actually picked up 4 points in those 4 games. 

[RowlattsFox]

In our list if problems, I'd say Winks is pretty low down and the jump in on him after a bad day is so horribly modern football fans. 

 

We need someone physical alongside him whilst Soumare has improved and does have a bit of physicality, it doesn't look a great combination. 

 

 

[funkyrobot]

2 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

As someone previously stated he has started 13 and we haven’t won any of them and we have gained 4 points, Just 1 assist in those games.
Funnily enough you say we looked dreadful when he was injured but we actually picked up 4 points in those 4 games. 

Winks changed the game when he was subbed on at half time for Skipp away at Southampton. He was absolutely key in changing a loss into 3 points. 

[Beachyboy]

17 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

I agree, I don't think his issue is mentality. Just don't think he's a premier league standard player 

He played 31 games for Spurs 4 years ago and was competing in the CL. It's not ability, since then he has played 15, 19 and 20 league game seasons. Last season going from that to 45 league games, he almost played as much last season as the previous 3. I think he is the sort of player that should play 15-20 games a season at premiership level, he's coming to his physical peak at 28, injuries have obviously set him back look how much they set Jack Wiltshire back both similar in that there best years were in their early 20s. I do think the wages we have offered him is crazy ( he hasn't really had to play at the level required this season for what 3 years), it's a 50/50 for me on whether he gets to the level required but I'd say that with Mavididi, Kristensen, Vestegaard, Faes, it's where we are at.

[HankMarvin]

34 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Winks changed the game when he was subbed on at half time for Skipp away at Southampton. He was absolutely key in changing a loss into 3 points. 

Thats why I said started 

[funkyrobot]

1 hour ago, HankMarvin said:

Thats why I said started 

I thought the overall point you were making was that Winks hasn’t helped us earn many points this season? Otherwise what are you suggesting? 

Edited 12 January by funkyrobot

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, funkyrobot said:

I thought the overall point you were making was that Winks hasn’t helped us earn many points this season? Otherwise what are you suggesting? 

That he has started 13 games and we haven’t won any of them, and responding to someone that we played dreadful in his absence even though we gained a point a match as opposed to 0.3

[jv1]

Lovely footballer on the ball - clever with the spaces he finds and normally decent on the ball - unfortunately absolutely nowhere near physical enough for this level - getting bossed in 90% of our games by blokes that are simply bigger, stronger and more athletic than him - ruud will 100% opt for Ndidi and soumare if he can - also winks looked a bit lost Saturday because vesty wasn’t there controlling the pace and giving him that back and fourth wall they are pretty decent at together - faes just can’t do what vesty does and I thought winks really struggled without that - possibly lead to him over complicating things for the 2 terrible passes for their goals as well - like I said - nice footballer - looked a rolls Royce in the championship but this level and the size and physicality of the lads he is up against he just can’t compete