Harry Winks

[Gamble92]

7 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

I bet a tenner Soumare starts against Oxford. 

He'll start and be man of the match.

 

You heard it here first. 

[Finnegan]

7 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

If you want to compare it to a "normal job", which obviously you can't really do but for arguments sake -

 

Let's just say my productivity started to go down so badly because I said the place is a disgrace now the old manager has left.

 

Id be put on a performance review. If I carried on not giving a ****, I'd be sacked. 

 

But like we've all said it isn't a normal job. Is a guaranteed 90k (rumoured to have dropped to 60k in championship) and you can pretty much just down tools. 

 

Let's not defend this little shit. He's a disgrace. 

 

Your bias is showing. 

 

His problems here started when his line manager at the time publicly threw him under the bus claiming that his commute to work was too long regardless of the fact he was arriving at the work place on time and staying until the end of the work day. 

 

And this was largely a distraction to cover for that line manager's incompetence, by the way. 

 

His productivity was actually better than coworkers who were being favoured ahead of him because he didn't fit the manager's view of what someone in his role should look like. 

 

Even when his line manager left and was replaced, his performances were better than the same co-worker who was once again preferred to him, seemingly largely because of his personality. 

 

As a result he's been increasingly isolated from the rest of his team and assigned other duties which are beneath his job description. 

 

If we attempted to then pay him at the level of those new duties he'd go to an employment tribunal and absolutely annihilate us, rightly so. 

 

I get it, you don't like him, fair enough. Frankly I've lost patience with him, too. But if we were to pay him at the level of the U21s we'd be entirely in the wrong. 

 

Edited 22 January by Finnegan

[Gamble92]

Just now, Finnegan said:

 

Your bias is showing. 

 

His problems here started when his line manager at the time publicly threw him under the bus claiming that his commute to work was too long regardless of the fact he was arriving at the work place on time and staying until the end of the work day. 

 

His productivity was actually better than coworkers who were being favoured ahead of him because he didn't fit the manager's view of what someone in his role should look like. 

 

Even when his line manager left and was replaced, his performances were better than the same co-worker who was once again preferred to him, seemingly largely because of his personality. 

 

As a result he's been increasingly isolated from the rest of his team and assigned other duties which are beneath his job description. 

 

If we attempted to then pay him at the level of those new duties he'd go to an employment tribunal and absolutely annihilate us, rightly so. 

 

I get it, you don't like him, fair enough. Frankly I've lost patience with him, too. But if we were to pay him at the level of the U21s we'd be entirely in the wrong. 

 

I didn't actually say that about the u21 pay. Someone else did. 

 

It's not a bias. I was actually really patient with him to do with Ruud because we didn't know all the facts and he'd just had a kid. But why should I be now? He's literally fell out with 3 managers now is it? All because they're not Enzo. 

 

He wasn't performing well in the Premier League. He was often too lightweight and he's nowhere near the level he thinks he is in his head. 

 

We were way too reliant on him under Enzo and when his form dropped, we lost to about 12 games in the end which was a disgrace with that squad. 

 

I have no time for footballers who treat this job like Winks does. He will get a shit London club next or maybe relegate another Italian team. But it will be on 20k a week and he will look back at his career and wonder why he never did anything worthwhile. 

[Tommy G]

Just now, Gamble92 said:

I didn't actually say that about the u21 pay. Someone else did. 

 

It's not a bias. I was actually really patient with him to do with Ruud because we didn't know all the facts and he'd just had a kid. But why should I be now? He's literally fell out with 3 managers now is it? All because they're not Enzo. 

 

He wasn't performing well in the Premier League. He was often too lightweight and he's nowhere near the level he thinks he is in his head. 

 

We were way too reliant on him under Enzo and when his form dropped, we lost to about 12 games in the end which was a disgrace with that squad. 

 

I have no time for footballers who treat this job like Winks does. He will get a shit London club next or maybe relegate another Italian team. But it will be on 20k a week and he will look back at his career and wonder why he never did anything worthwhile. 

Whilst sipping an Aperol Spritz, feet in the lukewarm water of his pool, at his stunning £5m Hertfordshire mansion. I'm sure he'll cope and look back fondly 

[Finnegan]

4 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

didn't actually say that about the u21 pay. Someone else did. 

 

I know and that's who I was responding to when you chimed in

 

[Gamble92]

19 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

He has a contract and unless he is in breach of contract we will honour it - it's a very different situation to being ''at work'' as you don't have a fixed term contract with stipulated pay regardless of performance.

 

If he's sitting at home (does anyone know this??) the club might have told him to stay away, if so he is obeying instructions and fulfilling his contract. 

 

It's a fact of life whether people get upset about it or not, footballers contracts are bullet proof and he will be getting his £90K a week whether it's morally right or wrong until June. 

We don't know he's sat at home but we do know he posted an Aperol Spritz when we got relegated. 

 

What a lad aye

[HankMarvin]

If he was signed in the championship on a certain wage, why would you have it in your contract that your wages reduced when there was an extremely high chance of relegation, unless you had a wage promotion increase which is unlikely. 

[Clever Fox]

Foolishly, I logged on thinking that Winks was gone. Unlikely to happen now.

[honeybradger]

It's the club's fault for signing him. If he needed that ridiculous wage to take a step down to the championship then they should have moved onto the next target.

 

Maybe they thought they were buying a solid premier league midfielder that deserved to be on Prem wages. If he was that level he would be going to a PL level club though.

 

Just another major screw up from the club really.

[beepee1984]

The problem is, he is not training with the first team... so is he training? 

If he is doing no more than gym work then why would anyone pay for him in January when he is unlikley to be fit for at least 6 weeks when they can just get him in the summer for free!

[GorlestonFox]

1 minute ago, beepee1984 said:

The problem is, he is not training with the first team... so is he training? 

If he is doing no more than gym work then why would anyone pay for him in January when he is unlikley to be fit for at least 6 weeks when they can just get him in the summer for free!

PFA rules say he has to train in a group

[beepee1984]

3 minutes ago, GorlestonFox said:

PFA rules say he has to train in a group

He can't train in complete isolation, but that does not mean he has to train as part of a group

 

Clubs are contractually obligated to provide a "high level" of training and physical fitness preparation

To remain compliant with FA rules, a club that requires a player to train solo must provide a first-team coach (or a qualified fitness coach associated with the first team) to work with them.

Clubs can schedule a player's solo session at a different time from the rest of the squad (e.g., late afternoon).

[honeybradger]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

Your bias is showing. 

 

His problems here started when his line manager at the time publicly threw him under the bus claiming that his commute to work was too long regardless of the fact he was arriving at the work place on time and staying until the end of the work day. 

 

And this was largely a distraction to cover for that line manager's incompetence, by the way. 

 

His productivity was actually better than coworkers who were being favoured ahead of him because he didn't fit the manager's view of what someone in his role should look like. 

 

Even when his line manager left and was replaced, his performances were better than the same co-worker who was once again preferred to him, seemingly largely because of his personality. 

 

As a result he's been increasingly isolated from the rest of his team and assigned other duties which are beneath his job description. 

 

If we attempted to then pay him at the level of those new duties he'd go to an employment tribunal and absolutely annihilate us, rightly so. 

 

I get it, you don't like him, fair enough. Frankly I've lost patience with him, too. But if we were to pay him at the level of the U21s we'd be entirely in the wrong. 

 

Surely youre not still blaming the Winks issue on Van Nistelrooy after him downing tools and getting frozen out under another manager.

 

You can blame Van Nistelrooy for many things but he handled Winks exactly as required and the club should have followed through and removed him that summer as a priority.

 

No one would care about Winks's commuting distance if he showed commitment on the pitch, least of all Van Nistelrooy, the issue is that he had phoned it in long before he was frozen out.

 

It's typical for managers in any field to ask a bit more from workers who are underdelivering, such as starting work earlier, working from the office more, recording their time.

 

Getting Winks to stay at Seagrave was a very valid way to try and change the mindset of a player who was only focused on doing the bare minimum. That didn't work for Winks so he was frozen out, as is fair.

[RedSoxUK]

I love Winks 

[foxile5]

3 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

I love Winks 

Do you really love Winks or are you saying it because you saw it. 

[ElusiveEd]

3 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Do you really love Winks or are you saying it because you saw it. 

Can't even claim to be a typo,

 

I is quite a way from A on the keyboard.

 

Edited 22 January by ElusiveEd

[foxtillidrop]

I rate Winks...a good manager would have built a team around him and JJ in midfield...

[Tuna]

Open top bus parade when he's finally released.

[BKLFox]

13 minutes ago, foxtillidrop said:

I rate Winks...a good manager would have built a team around him and JJ in midfield...

I think Marti would have built it around Winks, JJ & Ramsey after that 1st time they did and it clicked but Ramsey then got injured 1st time.

Then obviously something happened during HT at the Sheff U shambles when he never came out again.

If he was sitting slating the team, the club & probably fans would a good manager allow him to continue playing or do what you call a bad manager did?

[CrazyKopCorner]

5 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

He'll start and be man of the match.

 

You heard it here first. 

FM it’d have to be a piss poor game and a defeat for him to get motm - total and utter dogshite of a player 

[Claridge]

22 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

FM it’d have to be a piss poor game and a defeat for him to get motm - total and utter dogshite of a player 

exactly my excpectations

[grth2004]

1 hour ago, RedSoxUK said:

I love Winks 

I like a good Wink too 

[blueharmie]

Heard he's on hunger strike.

 

Hope vestys dog still isn't on campus incase winsky has a change of heart.

Edited 23 January by blueharmie

[gurru991]

3 hours ago, grth2004 said:

I like a good Wink too 

I think you are getting your A's & I's mixed up.

[LCFCJohn]

20 hours ago, suffolk fox said:

Yes, but in fairness it wasn't Winks who gave him the ridiculous wage.  You, yourself have alluded to you wouldn't leave a job for less money.  So, Winks

will stay here pick up his 90k a week and see out his contract.  Personally don't blame him.

Sorry, I will judge the greedy f***er. Not everyone is money grabbing. Some of us actually have the self worth and guts to say enough is enough and move jobs, even if that meant taking a reduction in salary, to do something where we can be happy.

 

I personally did that a few years ago so I can and will judge these footballers who clearly hate being at the club but ‘can’t move’ or are ‘trapped here’ because their over inflated wages are never going to be matched by other club. 

 

Of course they are under contract and we can’t make them go. But let’s not pretend they don’t have options. He remains here because the money is all that matters and he doesn’t give a damn about playing.