Vestergaard

[Sol thewall Bamba]

7 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Coady has played nearly double the amount of Premier League games, captained Wolves in most of them and in those seasons Wolves were finishing much higher in the league table.

 

Vestergaard never finished higher than 11th in the Premier League with Southampton. Coady finished 7th twice with Wolves.

 

I don't really want either here if I'm honest but if you're going with their time before Leicester than Coady has had the better career in England.

Man I love it when posts based on a hunch are quashed with actual facts. 

 

Plus the fact that Vestegaard has only had a "better" and longer international career than Coady because Denmark are worse than England and Coady had better players keeping him (rightly) out of the England team. 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

8 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I don't really want either here if I'm honest but if you're going with their time before Leicester than Coady has had the better career in England.

It's all about who is the better option in the immediate future though. And although Coady is younger by about 6 months, it appears (to me anyway) that he is the player in decline.

[Fox92]

58 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

It's all about who is the better option in the immediate future though. And although Coady is younger by about 6 months, it appears (to me anyway) that he is the player in decline.

Coady has never played regular enough here to get anything going. Comes on to see a game out or whatever. The penalty he conceded at Palace as an example, a defender who plays regularly probably doesn't just stick a leg out there.

[Gamble92]

I was a massive fan of the Winks and Coady signings together because it felt like the club actually had a clear vision and plan for what we needed to get back. It impressed me after a couple of years of sleepwalking into the abyss. 

 

I think because both were signed at the same time and Winks was such an undoubted success that it's kind of helped Coady from avoiding more criticism than he's actually had. The way he conducts himself seems to be good and he seems to be a good voice in the dressing room but on the pitch it's hard to make a case for him. Especially given how much we reportedly paid him. 

 

I'm pleased Vestegaard got last season because he's been mismanaged by 2 managers now. I don't see a way back for him here. The injury shit doesn't add up to me. 

Edited 15 October 2024 by Gamble92

[dannythefox]

We’ve done it again haven’t we giving someone another contract who won’t play for us again. Shambles 

[JimJams]

Well he might well outlast the manager, so he might play for us again. Wait and see.

[SafewayFox]

The issue remains that whether Enzo was insistent on Jannik re-signing or not….we once again let the manager NOT a quality DoF (who ultimately outlasts numerous managers) have their say.

 

Jannik was very good for us last season in a lower league but he had big question marks (with or without Enzo) about being able to have such a positive impact in the PL yet we still offered him a silly contract length wise (as no one knows his salary) when a look at the squad was evident….bringing in an athletic CB was needed.

 

Hopefully Jannik doesn’t repeat history and actually looks at enjoying his last few seasons as a pro footballer and moves on as probably best for both parties.

[CrazyKopCorner]

Yes you expert from a DoF a much more strategic approach than we've been showing for a long time now 

 

I like Vesty (now) but a 3 year extension was a complete and utter joke e.g potential for injury, loss of form, not fit into new managers plans / formation etc and no sell on transfer fee available ......... all of the hallmarks of a lunatic 

 

 

 

 

[sm1]

Ironically you'd think Vesty better suits Cooper's gameplan of playing with a low block, negating one of his biggest weaknesses, his pace. It's as if Cooper watched our games from last season, saw what worked (Vesty & Ricky) and decided to do the opposite. 

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

Coady has played nearly double the amount of Premier League games, captained Wolves in most of them and in those seasons Wolves were finishing much higher in the league table.

 

Vestergaard never finished higher than 11th in the Premier League with Southampton. Coady finished 7th twice with Wolves.

 

I don't really want either here if I'm honest but if you're going with their time before Leicester than Coady has had the better career in England.

If you used the maxim of who a player played for and their finishing league positions, then Vardy wouldn't look too special over a long period yet everyone knows he is. There's somewhat of an assumption there that Coady was responsible for Wolves relative success whereas in practice, he played a good role and was just part of a team. Likewise, you could argue that Vestergaard was a big part of why they weren't relegated, it's all relative. Vestergaard also captained Munchengladbach, Southampton and his national side. Again, relatively speaking you could argue that Demark's national team is on paper inferior to England's, however, there'd have never been a remote possibility that Coady would have captained them.

[MPH]

If there is one thing I feel like giving credit to Cooper  for ( and there’s not many things), it’s working out fairly early on that Vesty’s lack of pace would be found out in the prem.

[JimJams]

3 minutes ago, MPH said:

If there is one thing I feel like giving credit to Cooper  for ( and there’s not many things), it’s working out fairly early on that Vesty’s lack of pace would be found out in the prem.

There's no evidence to bare that out though. We only know from a small sample size that with him playing we conceded 1.5gpg whereas without we've conceded 1.8gpg.  And none of the 3 goals conceded in the 2 games he played were problems with his pace.

[Chelmofox]

2 hours ago, MPH said:

If there is one thing I feel like giving credit to Cooper  for ( and there’s not many things), it’s working out fairly early on that Vesty’s lack of pace would be found out in the prem.

He's never said this though has he. Vestergaard played 2 and didn't look out of place in either, 1 being a very attacking Spurs team in a game we drew.

[filbertway]

2 hours ago, MPH said:

If there is one thing I feel like giving credit to Cooper  for ( and there’s not many things), it’s working out fairly early on that Vesty’s lack of pace would be found out in the prem.

Pace is only really a factor if your team are encouraged to leave their half.

[lcfcbluearmy]

3 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

The issue remains that whether Enzo was insistent on Jannik re-signing or not….we once again let the manager NOT a quality DoF (who ultimately outlasts numerous managers) have their say.

 

Jannik was very good for us last season in a lower league but he had big question marks (with or without Enzo) about being able to have such a positive impact in the PL yet we still offered him a silly contract length wise (as no one knows his salary) when a look at the squad was evident….bringing in an athletic CB was needed.

 

Hopefully Jannik doesn’t repeat history and actually looks at enjoying his last few seasons as a pro footballer and moves on as probably best for both parties.

The best thing for both parties would be for us to actually play him he is significantly better than Okoli

[gurru991]

17 minutes ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

The best thing for both parties would be for us to actually play him he is significantly better than Okoli

I would have to strongly disagree with that. Okoli at 23 yrs old is playing very well & improving week by week. He has good mobility & is well suited to the Premier.  Why would the club sit a  young quality player in favour of a slow immobile player. 

The best thing for both parties is to move Vesty in the winter window.

[MPH]

3 hours ago, JimJams said:

There's no evidence to bare that out though. We only know from a small sample size that with him playing we conceded 1.5gpg whereas without we've conceded 1.8gpg.  And none of the 3 goals conceded in the 2 games he played were problems with his pace.

 

then what do you think the reason is?

[JimJams]

3 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

then what do you think the reason is?

Cooper hates lankies.

[MPH]

31 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Cooper hates lankies.

 

because they can’t run very fast?!  

[accessory]

The Vestergaard fanboys conveniently overlook the fact that he plays in a back five for Denmark, so is bound to look better in that system.

 

Would they want Cooper to deploy a back five at City?

 

Naah, didn't think so...😄

[ithuriel]

When ever I see Vesters it reminds me of the last charge of the Ents.

[5waller5]

2 hours ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

The best thing for both parties would be for us to actually play him he is significantly better than Okoli

Hard disagree

[lcfcbluearmy]

4 hours ago, gurru991 said:

I would have to strongly disagree with that. Okoli at 23 yrs old is playing very well & improving week by week. He has good mobility & is well suited to the Premier.  Why would the club sit a  young quality player in favour of a slow immobile player. 

The best thing for both parties is to move Vesty in the winter window.

I would strongly disagree with that but that's OK, look I think Okoli is OK but he is a bomb scare and can't pass to save his life. Vestergaard is a proven defender at international and definitely championship probably prem level and someone we can rely on to lead the line. I don't think his pace is that much of an issue I wouldn't play two Vestergaards but next too Faes he he a perfectly capable mid table prem CB and should be starting

[lcfcbluearmy]

1 hour ago, 5waller5 said:

Hard disagree

That's fine but I genuinely don't s3e where the love for Okoli or the hate for Vestergaard is coming from Okoli hasn't impressed at all imo and Vestergaard was one of if not our best player last season and is putting in strong performances for Denmark at International level

[CheeseHead]

3 hours ago, ithuriel said:

When ever I see Vesters it reminds me of the last charge of the Ents.

*march?