Guest nathan. Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 I really do not rate Nacho BUT selling him this late without a replacement is crazy.
whoareyaaa Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 2 minutes ago, TommyK said: This is the consequence of relegation. We need to sell players. Some players that we don't want too. It's makes absolute business sense to sell Nacho for as much as we can. From a footballing sense, he's our best striker and will be difficult to replace. We're a business and money talks. I think we need a sense of reality here on this forum. We are also a football club, we have already sold two key players for huge money, we are not cash strapped. Imagine we sell him because it makes business sense and are not able to bring anyone, that would be bad business, there is about 48hrs left.. nothing suggest Rudkin is capable of bringing in a new player that will fill the boots of the role required. 4
Popular Post Daggers Posted 30 August 2023 Popular Post Posted 30 August 2023 I’ll post this again when he’s gone just as I have in the past - he’s been the most squandered talent we’ve ever had on the books. If we’d based attacks around his strengths we’d be hailing him one of our greatest signings. Criminally under-utilised. 12 1
LCFCJohn Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 I wonder if we may be able to loan someone such as Borja from Chelsea. He seems to have gone quiet since his spell at Southampton and isn’t getting in the Chelsea squad. Whether he would be more likely to go to a Premier League side I don’t know but if we sold Nacho and Daka and brought in say Borja on loan and Leaburn as a young for the future option, that’d be good business. But, a lot to do so close to deadline. 2
ClaphamFox Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said: We are also a football club, we have already sold two key players for huge money, we are not cash strapped. Imagine we sell him because it makes business sense and are not able to bring anyone, that would be bad business, there is about 48hrs left.. nothing suggest Rudkin is capable of bringing in a new player that will fill the boots of the role required. If we sell him for £15m and do not replace him it will make literally zero business sense. It would be financially self-destructive. 4
Legend_in_blue Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 5 minutes ago, nathan. said: I really do not rate Nacho BUT selling him this late without a replacement is crazy. Don't worry, we'll have £15 million in the bank and can go for Chris Wood. Promotion doesn't come from utilizing one of two strikers apparently. We only need one. But it's ok, we have £15 million in the bank and can get Chris Wood instead. Problem solved. 3 minutes ago, nathan. said: If we have someone lined up get rid. Are we expecting our talented bunch behind the scenes to make a deal on someone else as an adequate replacement within 24 hours? If so, fair enough. I'm not convinced. Convince me.
NewquayFox Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 I remember when we sold David Connolly late in the window in 2005, don’t think we had a replacement, the club had to reimburse fans who had his name on the new shirt (my lad included) just hope we don’t let Iheanacho go tomorrow…
Chelmofox Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: If we sell him for £15m and do not replace him it will make literally zero business sense. It would be financially self-destructive. Complete hyperbole. He could agree to personal terms somewhere, and we say no, then he does his ACL in. That would also be financial self-destructive. There is business risk on either decision. Not selling means we lose a fee and don't take the wages off the books. Not selling could mean an unhappy player who ends up winding that contract down and isn't fully committed. Keeping him might be the difference between promotion or not. But its not the only outcome when thinking about one player. 1
Guest Electric Yetis Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 1 minute ago, NewquayFox said: I remember when we sold David Connolly late in the window in 2005, don’t think we had a replacement, the club had to reimburse fans who had his name on the new shirt (my lad included) just hope we don’t let Iheanacho go tomorrow… We signed Hume and iirc made Hammond's loan permanent. Was a big shame though as Connolly was a pure goalscorer and had started the season in great form.
ronnup Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 We're not selling Kel without a replacement lined up. Chill 1 1
TommyK Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 13 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: We are also a football club, we have already sold two key players for huge money, we are not cash strapped. Imagine we sell him because it makes business sense and are not able to bring anyone, that would be bad business, there is about 48hrs left.. nothing suggest Rudkin is capable of bringing in a new player that will fill the boots of the role required. I think we need all the money we can get. We're running at a huge lost.
ClaphamFox Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said: I wonder if we may be able to loan someone such as Borja from Chelsea. He seems to have gone quiet since his spell at Southampton and isn’t getting in the Chelsea squad. Whether he would be more likely to go to a Premier League side I don’t know but if we sold Nacho and Daka and brought in say Borja on loan and Leaburn as a young for the future option, that’d be good business. But, a lot to do so close to deadline. I don’t know whether it will be Broja but I suspect you’re on the right lines. It will be much easier to get a loan striker at this stage than buy one. So we’d likely be looking for a promising young striker at a PL club who isn’t ready for the first team or an established striker who has fallen out of favour… Edited 30 August 2023 by ClaphamFox
LFox99 Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 2 minutes ago, ronnup said: We're not selling Kel without a replacement lined up. Chill I dont trust Rudkin 1
whoareyaaa Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Chelmofox said: Complete hyperbole. He could agree to personal terms somewhere, and we say no, then he does his ACL in. That would also be financial self-destructive. There is business risk on either decision. Not selling means we lose a fee and don't take the wages off the books. Not selling could mean an unhappy player who ends up winding that contract down and isn't fully committed. Keeping him might be the difference between promotion or not. But its not the only outcome when thinking about one player. imagine selling then the new guy comes in and get an ACL anything can happen but we are winning and things are working why risk it for the sake of 15m which is peanuts in the modern day game granted he might not sign a new contract but that's the risk we take for getting promotion imo Probably lose him for the afcon but at least it gives us time to get in a new player We have other assets that could be sold who are offering nothing Edited 30 August 2023 by whoareyaaa 1
LCFCJohn Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: I don’t know whether it will be Broja but I suspect you’re on the right lines. It will be much easier to get a loan striker at this stage than buy one. So we’d likely be looking for a promising young striker at a PL club who isn’t ready for the first team or an established forward who has fallen out of favour… Rather the former than the latter… 1
ClaphamFox Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 Just now, LCFCJohn said: Rather the former than the latter… Yep.
Legend_in_blue Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: I don’t know whether it will be Broja but I suspect you’re on the right lines. It will be much easier to get a loan striker at this stage than buy one. Sowe This is true however I wouldn't be happy with carrying too many loan players in the team. Similarly it's not great carrying too many Championship level players in the PL. We wouldn't necessarily have either at the start of next season as the loan players return to wherever. We're then left with holes in the squad everywhere. It will take massive investment to put this right which brings me back to the £15 million. That figure is a drop in the ocean.
MPH Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 13 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said: Don't worry, we'll have £15 million in the bank and can go for Chris Wood. Promotion doesn't come from utilizing one of two strikers apparently. We only need one. But it's ok, we have £15 million in the bank and can get Chris Wood instead. Problem solved. Are we expecting our talented bunch behind the scenes to make a deal on someone else as an adequate replacement within 24 hours? If so, fair enough. I'm not convinced. Convince me. Maresca will know of a deep pool full of young talent deemed not quite good enough for Manchester City...
Claudio Fannieri Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 Given Kel has been a flight risk all summer the club will have replacements identified, there is nothing to say we haven’t already got a replacement sorted or finalising a deal for one prior to him leaving. Do people honestly think Kel or Daka are going to leave and then at 10.30 on Friday the recruitment team turn round look at each other and go “ right anyone have any ideas on replacements as we really didn’t see that happening” are just whinging for whinging sake
Chelmofox Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 2 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: imagine selling then the new guy comes in and get an ACL anything can happen but we are winning and things are working why risk it for the sake of 15m which is peanuts in the modern day game granted he might not sign a new contract but that's the risk we take for getting promotion imo It’s not just the 15m (which isnt peanuts ), it’s the wages. Anyway, are you willing to write off 15 m for every player? Im just getting fed up with the notion that the only way of staying up is keeping a player who for the last 2 years has been, well, Nacho. 2
JimJams Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 10 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: I don’t know whether it will be Broja but... We should offer a straight swap, Daka for Broja. Chelsea love a weird deal. 1
whoareyaaa Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 2 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said: Given Kel has been a flight risk all summer the club will have replacements identified, there is nothing to say we haven’t already got a replacement sorted or finalising a deal for one prior to him leaving. Do people honestly think Kel or Daka are going to leave and then at 10.30 on Friday the recruitment team turn round look at each other and go “ right anyone have any ideas on replacements as we really didn’t see that happening” are just whinging for whinging sake they may have replacements lined up whether they can get them to sign is another matter, anything could happen.
whoareyaaa Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 1 minute ago, Chelmofox said: It’s not just the 15m (which isnt peanuts ), it’s the wages. Anyway, are you willing to write off 15 m for every player? Im just getting fed up with the notion that the only way of staying up is keeping a player who for the last 2 years has been, well, Nacho. but we have other assets that don't even get in the squad and you are banging on about selling our only starting forward. What about the wages? after this season we won't be paying him nothing, if we bring in another player with the sale then we have to pay them to.
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