The Enzo Thread

[adejo92]

53 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

you’d expect your club captain to be doing exactly that. 
 

 Besides, how can a manager arrange a players only meeting?!

Appreciate the odd attempt at trying to make me look silly for raising a valid point but you've totally overlooked or not understood the point itself.

 

WHY has it taken the players to have to have a meeting (seemingly behind Enzo's back if Vardys comments post Preston are true) in order for form to change.

 

There were notable tweaks in how we looked post meeting too. We were a bit more positive and less pointless defensive possession.

 

Its great that a player has stepped up to hold such a meeting, but concerning that they've had to.

[StonyFox]

If he goes we take the £10m and move on. He delivered promotion which was his main target. 

 

It would have been interesting to see how we would have performed under his tactics in the premier league, but the limitations we saw in the championship would likely be exploited even more. 

 

I can't blame him for going to Chelsea, yes they're a basket case, but we're not far off with the financial mess we're in. It'll be more money, higher profile, better players, and a massive pay off if it goes pear shaped. 

 

He may never be offered a job at a "top 6" side again, so he's got to back himself and take it. 

 

[Md9]

What ever happens get it sorted asap so we can crack on with pre season straight away and it make it any harder for us this season. 

[moore_94]

I was looking forward to seeing how Enzo-ball worked out for us in the Prem as I think the football would've been better to watch as we wouldn't be dealing with opponents sitting all 11 players in their own box for 90 minutes - I do still think there would have been a few batterings along the way where he got it wrong but I expect that with someone still so relatively inexperienced as a manager

 

This is the kind of offer Enzo can't offer refuse though as he has to back himself as a manager to go in there and do well, there are very few if any managers that wouldn't make the jump from a newly promoted side to a side who can offer the manager ridiculous wages and a £1billion squad full of really good young players to work with

 

Overall I can't complain as Enzo did his job of getting a club in a crap position mentally turned around, got us back to the Prem at first ask, and we are going to get £10m+ in compensation from Chelsea for him and his staff

 

Just hope the club get the next appointment right because next season is going to be a proper fight that we will need a good leader for, and get it sorted quickly

Edited 27 May 2024 by moore_94

[Guest ChrisWalken456]

A 5 year contract! Basically handing Enzo a winning lottery ticket. Glad it's being done quickly and hopefully we get a replacement in just as quick (fat chance with Rudkin).

[Jobyfox]

7 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Hey, just a guess, as I doubt he polled the entire fan base, but maybe he did!

  The poll was just used as an illustration of how fans react after short periods of form. We’re not exactly known for taking a long term view. 
 

 

 

[funkyrobot]

10 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Hey, just a guess, as I doubt he polled the entire fan base, but maybe he did!

That was my point mate 

[Samilktray]

I think the 1 disappointment with Enzo was his loyalty to the tracksuit last season, would have been nice to see him mix it up on the touchline with a bit of menswear from time to time

[Trelleh]

Far as i’m concerned, if he as much as agrees to talk with them, he’s gone against all his principles he set out of building a team over a period of years, short answer is he’s sold out. No way back for me. Wish him well, we move on.

Edited 27 May 2024 by Trelleh

[Matt]

9 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

I was looking forward to seeing how Enzo-ball worked out for us in the Prem as I think the football would've been better to watch as we wouldn't be dealing with opponents sitting all 11 players in their own box for 90 minutes - I do still think there would have been a few batterings along the way where he got it wrong but I expect that with someone still so relatively inexperienced as a manager

 

This is the kind of offer Enzo can't offer refuse though as he has to back himself as a manager to go in there and do well, there are very few if any managers that wouldn't make the jump from a newly promoted side to a side who can offer the manager ridiculous wages and a £1billion squad full of really good young players to work with

 

Overall I can't complain as Enzo did his job of getting a club in a crap position mentally turned around, got us back to the Prem at first ask, and we are going to get £10m+ in compensation from Chelsea for him and his staff

 

Just hope the club get the next appointment right because next season is going to be a proper fight that we will need a good leader for

Whilst I do agree with this notion lets take a few examples from last season into account.

 

Southampton - Our best performance and biggest win of the season, except it wasn't the Enzo way, he publicly unhappy and slammed the performance.

Leeds (Away) - Probably our 2nd best performance of the season, we threw it away though, arguably individual errors cost us, but we sat further back and we crumbled.

Leeds (Home) - Lost.

Middlesbrough (Home and Away) - Probably one of the best teams we faced, lost both times.

 

Not great outcomes, when we did have a positive outcome it wasn't his way and he wasn't happy about it.

 

I appreciate we can only base off a small cross section.

 

Edited 27 May 2024 by Matt

[funkyrobot]

6 minutes ago, StonyFox said:

If he goes we take the £10m and move on. He delivered promotion which was his main target. 

 

It would have been interesting to see how we would have performed under his tactics in the premier league, but the limitations we saw in the championship would likely be exploited even more. 

 

I can't blame him for going to Chelsea, yes they're a basket case, but we're not far off with the financial mess we're in. It'll be more money, higher profile, better players, and a massive pay off if it goes pear shaped. 

 

He may never be offered a job at a "top 6" side again, so he's got to back himself and take it. 

 

What you’ve outlined is not the decision making process of someone who truly backs themselves though. That’s a decision of someone who doubts they may be good enough to get another offer! 

[Babylon]

Chelsea fans are furious, they aren’t on board so a few bad results and it will be carnage there very quickly.

[fazzyfox]

My only concern either way is it affecting our preparation for the new season, players deciding whether to re-sign, will a new manager keep our system and style, if not does this bring other players into contention (for example have we scouted any attacking full-backs in the last 12 months), how long will it take to bring in a replacement and discuss player targets with him? Yes it’s early which is good but still could put us weeks behind others.

 

Before Rubbing our hands at the compensation fee might we need some of it if we go out and bloody some other clubs nose and take an active in work manager? Not all of it of course but a chunk might be needed for that.

 

Not our problem, I’m just curious, but if he plays his system with Chelsea do James, Chilbell and Cucurella have a future there, does James do the Ricardo role? He can be a 3rd CB but then the LB would need to become the tucked in midfielder? Then which of Fernandez and Caicedo miss out? Or does Caicedo fulfill the Wilf role?Just feels like an ill fitting u-turn when they have a squad on long contracts. Good .

 

Oh and he walks if just one single person there isn’t 100% behind his philosophy?

[moore_94]

7 minutes ago, Matt said:

Whilst I do agree with this notion lets take a few examples from last season into account.

 

Southampton - Our best performance and biggest win of the season, except it wasn't the Enzo way, he publicly unhappy and slammed the performance.

Leeds (Away) - Probably our 2nd best performance of the season, we threw it away though, we crumbled.

Leeds (Home) - Lost.

Middlesbrough (Home and Away) - Probably one of the best teams we faced, lost both times.

 

Not great outcomes, and when we did have a positive outcome it wasn't his way and he wasn't happy about it.

 

I appreciate we can only base off a small cross section.

Both Middlesbrough games they sat in their box and just let us have the ball and did us on the counter - 67% and 71% possession in those 2 games

 

We did better in the 10 games where we had our least amount of possession compared to the 10 games where we had the most possession

 

Even if it wasn't the Enzo way against Southampton and however unhappy he was with it, I think we still would've seen more performances more like that across the season in the Prem

Edited 27 May 2024 by moore_94

[the draper]

21 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

I was looking forward to seeing how Enzo-ball worked out for us in the Prem as I think the football would've been better to watch as we wouldn't be dealing with opponents sitting all 11 players in their own box for 90 minutes - I do still think there would have been a few batterings along the way where he got it wrong but I expect that with someone still so relatively inexperienced as a manager

 

This is the kind of offer Enzo can't offer refuse though as he has to back himself as a manager to go in there and do well, there are very few if any managers that wouldn't make the jump from a newly promoted side to a side who can offer the manager ridiculous wages and a £1billion squad full of really good young players to work with

 

Overall I can't complain as Enzo did his job of getting a club in a crap position mentally turned around, got us back to the Prem at first ask, and we are going to get £10m+ in compensation from Chelsea for him and his staff

 

Just hope the club get the next appointment right because next season is going to be a proper fight that we will need a good leader for, and get it sorted quickly

We would have been smashed 4 and 5 nil

 

Deluded to think anything else 

[the draper]

10 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Chelsea fans are furious, they aren’t on board so a few bad results and it will be carnage there very quickly.

Gone by Christmas 

[coolhandfox]

Nice pure profit for the PSR, 8m-10m for Enzo and then another chuck for his back room.

[oz was my hero]

My take on this is if he wants to go ,**** him. I want a manager and players that want to be here. I do however wonder  what the relationship between him and the board have to do with his mindset. If you are told 1 thing but given another then anyone in their right mind would jump at the first chance. This seems to be a recurring thing . The rot in the club is deeper than the manager. 

[iancognito]

48 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

Appreciate the odd attempt at trying to make me look silly for raising a valid point but you've totally overlooked or not understood the point itself.

 

WHY has it taken the players to have to have a meeting (seemingly behind Enzo's back if Vardys comments post Preston are true) in order for form to change.

 

There were notable tweaks in how we looked post meeting too. We were a bit more positive and less pointless defensive possession.

 

Its great that a player has stepped up to hold such a meeting, but concerning that they've had to.

Daka never started a single game after that meeting and remember the player reactions to his misses against Millwall and Plymouth.

 

Given he was the go-to striker for 3 months, clearly something was said by one or more players.

[K789]

This is a result for us. Chances of him seeing the season out were slim as the home fanbase would be been on his case when the losses rack up. Bank the money, move on

[James_lcfc]

2 hours ago, Itsthejoeker said:

Can’t wait to be asset stripped to the bone this summer

We only have about four assets, so it can’t get that bad.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

5 year contract

[Dandy king]

49 minutes ago, Samilktray said:

I think the 1 disappointment with Enzo was his loyalty to the tracksuit last season, would have been nice to see him mix it up on the touchline with a bit of menswear from time to time

Can't blame him for not wearing anything from the menswear section of the club shop, apart from the funky training top

[MPH]

1 hour ago, adejo92 said:

Appreciate the odd attempt at trying to make me look silly for raising a valid point but you've totally overlooked or not understood the point itself.

 

WHY has it taken the players to have to have a meeting (seemingly behind Enzo's back if Vardys comments post Preston are true) in order for form to change.

 

There were notable tweaks in how we looked post meeting too. We were a bit more positive and less pointless defensive possession.

 

Its great that a player has stepped up to hold such a meeting, but concerning that they've had to.

 

players do it all the time. It’s nothing new. That’s what the captain is for!

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

At least we're not as badly run as Chelsea.

 

5 years, I wouldnt give any manager more than 3. Ever. Unless you are actually Pep.