Leicester 'could face points deduction next season'

[TeamRocket]

Just sell ever player we have apart from Vardy and any home grown player and sell rest to King power other team and then we loan every player we wanna keep that way we can't break any rules

[steveherbe]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Do we think we'll get another statement on this or just try and sweep it under the carpet?

"Under the carpet" is full mate, need a new carpet!

[Ashley]

18 minutes ago, TeamRocket said:

Just sell ever player we have apart from Vardy and any home grown player and sell rest to King power other team and then we loan every player we wanna keep that way we can't break any rules

Wishful thinking but you couldn't do that. 

[Molson Canadian]

25 minutes ago, richardsfoxes said:

Hopefully its only like 4 points or something. 

i really hope it doesn't go into double digits

[FoxinNotts]

19 minutes ago, Molson Canadian said:

i really hope it doesn't go into double digits

Agree. 9 or below would seem like win at this stage, tbh

[Molson Canadian]

6 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said:

Agree. 9 or below would seem like win at this stage, tbh

still a sad thing to think about. 

[FoxinNotts]

Just now, Molson Canadian said:

still a sad thing to think about. 

3 precious wins

[Wortho]

Surely they can reduce this to 4 points?

 

You only get 12 points for going into liquidation. Ridiculous situation regards the PL. They aren’t fit for purpose!!

[lcfcdave15]

I've not been following this closely, does the latest statement from the club mean selling KDH hasn't helped the situation?

[StriderHiryu]

2 minutes ago, lcfcdave15 said:

I've not been following this closely, does the latest statement from the club mean selling KDH hasn't helped the situation?

That sale was made to avoid a FURTHER penalty based on a seperate accounting period.

 

I'm not sure when the penalty for the current period would have been applied this season or next though.

[st albans fox]

4 minutes ago, lcfcdave15 said:

I've not been following this closely, does the latest statement from the club mean selling KDH hasn't helped the situation?

No

this is about last year to 30 June 2023 - season we were relegated 

[HankMarvin]

3 hours ago, kenny said:

We stopped being a PL club a month before the end of the accounting period so they are charging an EFL club with the breach.

 

Yet all our revenue streams, and turnover on which we are being audited for that season are in relation to being a top flight club 

[SkuseMe]

1 hour ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

2 confirmed breaches, 1 further pending and a host of clubs using ‘workarounds’ show how difficult these rules are to account for.

Clubs have breached because they've "bet the house" on finishing a certain place in the league, be it for European prize money or for a particular PL 'merit payment', or because they thought the PL wouldn't take its rules seriously, or because they felt they were smarter than the rules, or because they calculated that a points deduction was a cost worth taking. 

 

They're easy to account for if you accept spending £minimum PL broadcast revenue + £other income + £35M, but some choose to spend more than this and then must hope for the best, be it performances on the pitch or legal loopholes. We were obviously one of these and did disastrously on the pitch. PSR does nothing for levelling competition between those have modest commercial income / gate receipts and the whales of the league, but then it was never designed to do that. 

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

2 confirmed breaches, 1 further pending and a host of clubs using ‘workarounds’ show how difficult these rules are to account for.

Shouldn't be though should it? They know what the rules are before spending (not that I for one minute agree with them) but they try and push them to the limit to gain an advantage. Some just aren't good enough at administering it.

[Lambert09]

it’s mad that we could have been docked 10 points and still won the league in 2016.

 

 

[StanSP]

 

 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Lambert09 said:

it’s mad that we could have been docked 10 points and still won the league in 2016.

 

 

would have been hilarious to see spurs fans faces if that had happened ! 

[TeamRocket]

5 hours ago, Ashley said:

Wishful thinking but you couldn't do that. 

Yeah I know 

[Muzzy_no7]

Find it so baffling that there isn’t more publicity and discussion on podcasts and Sky Sports News etc with regards to the blatant player laundering and cheating PSR by Forest, Newcastle, Everton, Villa and Chelsea. 

[KFS]

10 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Find it so baffling that there isn’t more publicity and discussion on podcasts and Sky Sports News etc with regards to the blatant player laundering and cheating PSR by Forest, Newcastle, Everton, Villa and Chelsea. 

Because this nonsense feeds their business model. Was listening to talksport earlier and the vindictive way that Goldstein read out the Leicester news… don’t expect anyone to side with us over this stuff. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

I wonder if the club have done thiis with a view to trying to maintain a positive environment for the players and staff at the start of the season, hear me out on this one. …………

 

A significant points deduction before a ball is kicked and being marooned at the bottom could have a really negative impact to players, management and supporters, effectively kill the season before it starts, if this can be delayed, it offers a far better chance of us getting off on a positive footing, get some early results, points on the board etc, similar to Everton last saason. 

momentum, positive and negative can take hold of a club pretty easily, so maybe the club feel that if we start on a level playing. field and then get our deduction later in the season, we have more chance of staying up than starting the season with a big disadvantage that sets a tone from the off that we are doomed. To some degree it does make a bit of sense. 

[alanf0x]

If we start on 0 points or -8, the message is the same…RUDKIN OUT 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

4 hours ago, KFS said:

Because this nonsense feeds their business model. Was listening to talksport earlier and the vindictive way that Goldstein read out the Leicester news… don’t expect anyone to side with us over this stuff. 

The only noise is 'how can Newcastle be so rich but not spend their money' which ignores the fact that every pl club is owned by a billionaire.

[The Quick Brown Fox]

If we keep appealing and appealing coins we end up a bit like Man city where it just keeps going on and on and nothing comes of it?

[davieG]

Seems like they've only read the headlines.

 

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But now moving on… we have the case of Leicester City.   They have been fighting the League in terms of their breaches of  Profitability and Sustainability Rules,   Because they have appealed we don’t know how many points they are having deducted, but that deduction will apply this coming season.

The appeal of Leicester has always (to me if no one else) looked rather weird since the essence of it seemed to be (and here I quote the Telegraph) “the Premier League had no jurisdiction to punish the club as the alleged breach occurred in the 2022/23 season, when they were last competing in the top division.”

 

In reply the Premier League said: “An independent Commission has dismissed a challenge by Leicester City FC that it has no jurisdiction to consider an alleged breach of Profitability and Sustainability Rules. 

“In March, the Premier League referred the club to the Independent Commission for the alleged breach. Leicester City subsequently challenged the Commission’s authority to hear the case.   The alleged breach relates to the PSRs for Season 2022/23, when the club was a member of the Premier League.”

Of course, if Leicester won their case and had their points deducted last time they were a Premier League club it would make no odds except the record would show them coming bottom rather than 18th.  Here’s the table as it was recorded at the time…

 

 

	Team	P	W	D	L	F	A	GD	Pts
17	Everton	38	8	12	18	34	57	-23	36
18	Leicester City	38	9	7	22	51	68	-17	34
19	Leeds United	38	7	10	21	48	78	-30	31
20	Southampton	38	6	7	25	36	73	-37	25

 

 

 

As ever in nonsense appeals like this, there is an independent commission to have a look, and they of course said this was all a load of turnips, and so Leicester appealed against the findings of the appeal.   Their actions form a notable contrast with those of Everton and Nottingham Forest who have appealed according to the rule book and then accepted the ruling and simply got on with matters.

Because we don’t know how many points Leicester will be deducted I guess the league tables will leave them with all their points in the new season, until the matter is decided.   Possibly in 2025.

The rules clearly state that clubs cannot exceed losses of £105 million over a three-year reporting period.   Leicester didn’t just exceed that figure they drove a coach, several horses and quite possibly a couple of tanks through it knocking up losses of £182.20m in just two seasons.  That is to say they were 73% over the limit.