EFL Statement - Club has no obligation to submit and agree business plan

[Tommy Fresh]

1 minute ago, Stevosevic said:

He’s always lived in Cheshire. 

Like I said I'm not clued up on Kasper so couldn't comment

Edited 6 March 2024 by Tommy Fresh

[mod hero]

17 minutes ago, westernpark said:

Yeah, according to my partner they’re more than happy roughing it or have been at least in the past, on the Clarendon park Facebook group. 

Are they on Tinder?

[moore_94]

3 minutes ago, westernpark said:

I believe the facility was unnecessary, improvements to Belvoir Drive were enough. Our implosion since, is evidence. Because we are not run well enough off the pitch, to warrant it. However, you’re right, it would be difficult to build it within the city boundary.

Would Belvoir drive have been big enough to be able to host both the mens and womens sides and their youth teams as well?

[westernpark]

Just now, Tommy Fresh said:

I'm referring to Wellens, Gallagher, Peltier, Kennedy, Marshall etc. Making out this is a new trend not living here is way off

Perhaps for already domestic established players but new recruits from abroad are taken to Nottingham to get a place. Fuchs, Wasilewski, Okazaki etc, all moved to Leicester initially. 
 

[Jordan]

6 minutes ago, Benji said:

My brain's not functioning at the minute so might be missing something obvious, but that Percy article says nothing.  It has you believe we're in huge trouble and needing to sell, yet the substance is about past financial years that have already finished.  So selling in June does nothing to impact that...

The allowable loss total is for a running 3-year period so Percy is reporting that we’re going to have to find ways to put some income on this year’s books to try to avoid being in trouble. We’ve already taken a massive loss two seasons ago, and we’re likely going to take another one for last season (which has the Maddison and Barnes deals on it), so it’s going to be tough to make up financial ground in a season in the Championship.

Edited 6 March 2024 by Jordan

[Trav Le Bleu]

3 hours ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

I've got a list of all those people who've stuck their fingers in their ears and said we'll be fine by the way. You know who you are.

La la la la la la la la la la la la la la....

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

10 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

That isn't a new thing is it, how many used to commute from the North West under Pearson?

Not new no, although exacerbated by the new training ground. It's certainly a thing in the last ten years and has become more pronounced. A club that's less connected with the city they represent isn't a good thing and if you have owners that are in no way connected to the city that's hardly a surprise.

[westernpark]

Just now, moore_94 said:

Would Belvoir drive have been big enough to be able to host both the mens and womens sides and their youth teams as well?

That’s a good question. Probably not.

[westernpark]

4 minutes ago, mod hero said:

Are they on Tinder?

I hope my partner isn’t.

[Benji]

1 minute ago, Jordan said:

The allowable loss total is for a running 3-year period so Percy is reporting that we’re going to have to find ways to put some income on this year’s books to try to avoid being in trouble. We’ve already taken a massive loss two seasons ago, and we’re likely going to take another one for last season (which has the Maddison and Barnes deals on it), so it’s going to be tough to make up that difference in a season in the Championsuip.

 

Right - so there's no evidence we're in breach as of March, for the three years ending 22/23, but we'd likely need to sell to avoid an issue this time next year for the three years ending 23/24?

[BertFill]

33 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I think any club that trys to compete is gonna be shafted, so all this does is maintain the big six? How is that good?

Good?

Maintaining the 'big' (greedy) six is good for the 'big' (greedy) six. That's the point. It isn't meant to be good for anything or anyone else.

[Grebfromgrebland]

3 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

If we don’t get promoted the EFL is going to eat us up. 

And if we get promoted won't the premier league come for us?

 

Whatever happens we're screwed.

[Tommy Fresh]

7 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Not new no, although exacerbated by the new training ground. It's certainly a thing in the last ten years and has become more pronounced. A club that's less connected with the city they represent isn't a good thing and if you have owners that are in no way connected to the city that's hardly a surprise.

These were over ten years ago now brother. The lads from the North West used to always bang on about the commute, not like they made out they were about in town all day. Also you did imply it was a new thing

Edited 6 March 2024 by Tommy Fresh

[Pliskin]

Football in essence is truly ****ed, and it needs to be gripped internally in order to prevent it from worsening….. but, the sickening reality of of it is, the corruption that binds the premier league together is far more powerful than we can imagine. Just look at the people now investing into the league, the gulf nations are desperate to take it to their lands, and now the Americans are joining in too. 
 

The financial gain generated from our overseas relatives will be the catalyst driving this football machine forward. 
 

The future of the game is inevitable, eventually a collaboration of the worlds “best” teams will ultimately come together to battle it out in their own inclusive league, and the rest of us will just be cast aside. 
 

It will happen, football will just become Americanised but at an international level, and PES pro leagues will become a reality.

The EPL themselves are fools, because they will play along with it until they’re part of a messy divorce where the “big six” all disappear leaving them to pick up the pieces. 

[Pliskin]

1 minute ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

And if we get promoted won't the premier league come for us?

 

Whatever happens we're screwed.

No, because the accounts will be for the EFL season, and not the PL season surely?

[Qwerty]

It gave me a headache reading that statement.

Not sure I understand it.  

Is it like the police searching someone’s house without a search warrant, finding drugs, but not being able to prosecute because they didn’t have a search warrant? 

[Product of 84]

I may have got this wrong but my understanding is if you are an established Premier League team and get relegated you will automatically fall foul of FFP. The only way of not would be to predict your demise and 'give in' by selling assets early. 

 

Also, when do we hear if Everton and Forest are going to be deducted points (in Everton's case further points)? 

 

If, we can't be touched by the EFL and are promoted but can be docked points by the Premier League it wouldn't be fair to take those points next season if Forest and Everton lose points this season for their breaches. 

 

What a mess!

[splinterdream]

25 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

They did but you also have the problem of big six clubs being able to take academy players for nothing. It's certainly right to invest in training, the academy and young players. I just feel this is having the absolute opposite effect to what it should, the playing field needs to be levelled but not based on a clubs turnover. Villa are a big club, potentially as big as city, spurs or Chelsea yet they are restricted, same with Newcastle. Why should clubs who became big before the rules by buying it have a massive advantage in this supposedly 'fairer system. Its broken and in danger of destroying the game in my opinion. If so many clubs are breaking the rules, you have to question if the rules really work. 

Villa are competing for Europe, wasn’t so long ago they were looking at us with envious eyes 

[Craig]

As it's for a rolling three year period we could very well find ourselves in a position where we are desperate to sell by the end of June to comply in 23/24, yet then able to spend (sensibly) July onwards as a new season has began. You'd expect with many departures on large wages and our rather tame transfer activity over the past two seasons that there would be quite a bit of room to move if we are promoted.

 

We could essentially be forced into a bit of a rebuild which may be no bad thing, but I'm not sure I have any faith in this regime to make it a success. 

[Product of 84]

7 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

Villa are competing for Europe, wasn’t so long ago they were looking at us with envious eyes 

I worry for Villa.

 

They are on the same path as us. They will get some form of European Football next season. They'll have to deepen their squad, pay bigger wages. 

 

However, they aren't in the 'big six' and I can see them, like us, having a massive fall from grace in the coming years. 

 

And then FFP will bite. 

[Ricey]

11 minutes ago, Craig said:

As it's for a rolling three year period we could very well find ourselves in a position where we are desperate to sell by the end of June to comply in 23/24, yet then able to spend (sensibly) July onwards as a new season has began. You'd expect with many departures on large wages and our rather tame transfer activity over the past two seasons that there would be quite a bit of room to move if we are promoted.

 

We could essentially be forced into a bit of a rebuild which may be no bad thing, but I'm not sure I have any faith in this regime to make it a success. 

Crazy that they’ve allowed the cut off period to be slap bang in the middle of the main transfer window.

[ClaphamFox]

8 minutes ago, Craig said:

As it's for a rolling three year period we could very well find ourselves in a position where we are desperate to sell by the end of June to comply in 23/24, yet then able to spend (sensibly) July onwards as a new season has began. You'd expect with many departures on large wages and our rather tame transfer activity over the past two seasons that there would be quite a bit of room to move if we are promoted.

 

We could essentially be forced into a bit of a rebuild which may be no bad thing, but I'm not sure I have any faith in this regime to make it a success. 

Exactly. We could be in a position where we have to sell KDH on June 30 but would have the funds to buy him back on July 1 (although obviously that wouldn’t happen in reality). 

[Corky]

2 minutes ago, Ricey said:

Crazy that they’ve allowed the cut off period to be slap bang in the middle of the main transfer window.

And with a major tournament this year.

[MalletFox]

16 minutes ago, Qwerty said:

It gave me a headache reading that statement.

Not sure I understand it.  

Is it like the police searching someone’s house without a search warrant, finding drugs, but not being able to prosecute because they didn’t have a search warrant? 

That’s spot on, although technically maybe more finding traces of drugs without the motherload, enough trace evidence to suggest it’s in the house but can’t search anymore cos been told the warrant wasn’t valid. 

[moore_94]

6 minutes ago, Product of 84 said:

I worry for Villa.

 

They are on the same path as us. They will get some form of European Football next season. They'll have to deepen their squad, pay bigger wages. 

 

However, they aren't in the 'big six' and I can see them, like us, having a massive fall from grace in the coming years. 

 

And then FFP will bite. 

Their latest accounts for 22/23 already has them spending more on wages than we ever did, and ours was horrendous at one point so that takes some effort for a non-big 6 side

 

That won't even include the wages of the big players they brought in last summer who would be on quite a lot as well (like Tielemans and Diaby) and there has been a few new contracts for players which very likely means pay rises for them