Premier league clubs to vote on scrapping VAR

[Daggers]

Can’t muster much in the way of disappointment as I’ll not be watching a single minute of PL action next season - for this reason among many others. The prospect of top flight football leaves me absolutely cold and its welcome to as much VAR as it can cram down its blood money neck. 

[davieG]

6 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

i'd disagree with that.  i think when matches are won or lost on a bad decision,  one place difference the prem now can be worth millions of pounds. one bad decision could cost even more if you factor in that this one place can effect you qualifying for european competition and thus millions more. its a massive bone of contention considering  the amount of money that's in the premier league, unfortunately.

 

 

It's not the only bone of contention, that's for sure.  and the enjoyment factor is a bone of contention definitely...

 

 

So How can we improve VAR instead of just throwing it out of the window, would be my response to that?

I guess it depends on why you pay to watch football, for me first and foremost is entertainment which more often than not results in winning, I judge a game by how many times I get out of my seat seeing excellent play. Sitting there wondering if someone has scored or being red instead of yellow carded drives me mad. Losing a couple of million does nothing for me as for European comps how many teams does that involve these days even when it does many think it's those rich six that seem to get the advantage most of the time.

[MPH]

16 minutes ago, davieG said:

I guess it depends on why you pay to watch football, for me first and foremost is entertainment which more often than not results in winning, I judge a game by how many times I get out of my seat seeing excellent play. Sitting there wondering if someone has scored or being red instead of yellow carded drives me mad. Losing a couple of million does nothing for me as for European comps how many teams does that involve these days even when it does many think it's those rich six that seem to get the advantage most of the time.

 

I TOTALLY get what you  are saying. 
 

of course I enjoy watching football.

 

but I don’t think it would sit well with any of us if say we get relegated because a lino misses a cast iron offside or penalty, for example…  also this season. I think it’s imperative we  stay up and there might be some backs-to-the-wall type  football to make it happen. 
 

and a couple of million might not make much difference to you  personally  but if we miss out on that one player who could make a difference beacause  someone out-bid  us… or we couldn’t afford to offer an improved contract..

 

football can be a game of tight margins with the way FFP/ PSR works and every million counts these days..

[Dan]

Utter disgrace yet totally predictable. Forest the biggest cucks of all going to that level last season and then voting in favour. Shame on us as well.

 

Really do fear we're stuck with this shite forever.

[StanSP]

Surprising it was that much of a majority. In theory not one club bar Wolves should be moaning about any decisions next season or beyond considering they had the option to scrap VAR for now... 

[StevieH]

59 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Can’t muster much in the way of disappointment as I’ll not be watching a single minute of PL action next season - for this reason among many others. The prospect of top flight football leaves me absolutely cold and its welcome to as much VAR as it can cram down its blood money neck. 

Agree. Man City suing the Premier league just about sums the game up. Lost total interest.

[Mark_w]

Good news, hopefully they'll get some people who know what they're doing to operate it soon.

[davieG]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

but I don’t think it would sit well with any of us if say we get relegated because a lino misses a cast iron offside or penalty, for example

But that is not the case you get relegated because you're bad all season not just one decision in one game besides you've probably had some decisions gho in your favour.

[Super_horns]

41 minutes ago, Mark_w said:

Good news, hopefully they'll get some people who know what they're doing to operate it soon.

Well every ref wlll have a different opinion on something potentially.

 

They won’t be robots who give the same decisions every time .

 

 

Don’t use it for so many subjective decisions maybe ?

 

 

I do agree the on pitch ref ought to be stronger in going with their own instincts rather than being told they must be wrong .

Edited 6 June 2024 by Super_horns

[MPH]

27 minutes ago, davieG said:

But that is not the case you get relegated because you're bad all season not just one decision in one game besides you've probably had some decisions gho in your favour.

I do get that it can even itself out.  But not always.  

[rugbyblue]

29 minutes ago, davieG said:

But that is not the case you get relegated because you're bad all season not just one decision in one game besides you've probably had some decisions gho in your favour.

Spot on.  

[Jonezy]

I really enjoyed this season without VAR. After years of VAR, I just enjoyed the flow and being able to enjoy goals again. Even major decisons going against us at Ipswich and Leeds did not bother me as much, as it would in the past.

 

Thank you for spotting Chilwell being offside by near nothing in the FA Cup final VAR, but you are ruining my experience and I have learned I can live with ref mistakes. I am saddend, that only Wolves see it this way.

[Groby_Blue]

2 minutes ago, Jonezy said:

I really enjoyed this season without VAR. After years of VAR, I just enjoyed the flow and being able to enjoy goals again. Even major decisons going against us at Ipswich and Leeds did not bother me as much, as it would in the past.

 

Thank you for spotting Chilwell being offside by near nothing in the FA Cup final VAR, but you are ruining my experience and I have learned I can live with ref mistakes. I am saddend, that only Wolves see it this way.

Spot on. A season with no VAR was lovely. 

 

An Arsenal season ticket holding friend of mine was saying how much he hates VAR and so does everyone who sits around him. 

[smudger63]

3 hours ago, MPH said:

 

I TOTALLY get what you  are saying. 
 

of course I enjoy watching football.

 

but I don’t think it would sit well with any of us if say we get relegated because a lino misses a cast iron offside or penalty, for example…  also this season. I think it’s imperative we  stay up and there might be some backs-to-the-wall type  football to make it happen. 
 

and a couple of million might not make much difference to you  personally  but if we miss out on that one player who could make a difference beacause  someone out-bid  us… or we couldn’t afford to offer an improved contract..

 

football can be a game of tight margins with the way FFP/ PSR works and every million counts these days..

It was possible that the "Dakas offside goal" against Leeds and the stonewall pen on KDH at Ipswich might have meant we ended up in the play offs and not getting promoted, but I wouldn't have moaned personally.

The only good thing last season in the championship was having no VAR. 

 

[MPH]

17 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

It was possible that the "Dakas offside goal" against Leeds and the stonewall pen on KDH at Ipswich might have meant we ended up in the play offs and not getting promoted, but I wouldn't have moaned personally.

The only good thing last season in the championship was having no VAR. 

 

 

 

What benefits one club might be of detriment to another..

[Chrysalis]

On 21/05/2024 at 17:37, dsr-burnley said:

If VAR hadn't been there, it would have been a valid goal because the players were level.  One of VAR's specific purposes is to disallow goals like that, and Coventry's in this year's semi-final, goals which would have been perfectly valid under the old (post 1990) rules and which are still valid at Championship level.  

 

The solution is easy.  Stop drawing lines across the pitch.  Accept that "level" is still a concept, and VAR reviews of offside last 5 seconds of looking at a still photo.  If the VAR man can't see in 5 seconds that the linesman is wrong, then the linesman is right by definition.

 

And they can stop faffing about with toes and heads and parts of the arm, too.  In an Olympic Games final they don't assess whose fingernail or eyebrow crossed the line first, they just go off the torso.  Linesmen where there is no VAR don't assess arms and toes and heads, they go off the torso.  Let VAR apply the same rules.

100% agree on this and numerous other people have suggested the same thing, yet they wont change it, its silly.

 

VAR is supposed to reverse "clear and obvious" errors, if it needs multiple replays, angles etc. its not clear and obvious.

[rugbyblue]

On 06/06/2024 at 18:57, Jonezy said:

I really enjoyed this season without VAR. After years of VAR, I just enjoyed the flow and being able to enjoy goals again. Even major decisons going against us at Ipswich and Leeds did not bother me as much, as it would in the past.

 

Thank you for spotting Chilwell being offside by near nothing in the FA Cup final VAR, but you are ruining my experience and I have learned I can live with ref mistakes. I am saddend, that only Wolves see it this way.

I enjoyed last season too, I actually preferred it as a supporter, much to the disgust of younger friends and colleagues who think the premier league is the only place to be.  

 

[sylofox]

Well looks like I'll be watching shrek argyle this season.

 

Keep me posted on all things LCFC once the season starts please

[Royston.]

I would prefer VAR scrapped but I'm not really bothered.

It's part of a game which is steadily sliding down the toilet and I'm too old and disinterested to care.

[Oxfordfox83]

On 06/06/2024 at 14:39, MPH said:

 

much less mistake that before VAR was about. 
 

 

but it needs improvement.

Need some VAR on your typing mate.

 

Though if you did, the person checking would be illiterate and take 20 mins to check each word…

[MPH]

16 minutes ago, Oxfordfox83 said:

Need some VAR on your typing mate.

 

Though if you did, the person checking would be illiterate and take 20 mins to check each word…

fat finger syndrome and predictive text = itzjtzutzutsjtzjtssti

[Will1981]

So refreshing to see VAR used perfectly in the Germany Scotland game, correctly overturned a penalty which was a free kick on the edge of the box, correctly gave a penalty and a red card for a horrible tackle and correctly ruled out an offside goal quickly with the help of semi automated offsides.

[sylofox]

Can't wait for the season to start.

 

Who's going to be the first team ie manager and players to be bitching about VAR. 

 

I'd love to interview them. Listen to all the bitching then point out said club voted to keep it.

[st albans fox]

To those of you thinking that the semi automatic offsides in the euros are great because of their speed, I have bad news if you expect the PL to now be the same. 

 

the in ball chip used to identify exactly when the ball is kicked and freeze the play is adidas patented.  hence the PL will still require the var in stockley park to ‘manually’ freeze the play before the auto technology can deliver a ‘picture’ to show if offside.  We’re losing the lines which will obviously save some time but it won’t be as quick as we’ve seen in Germany. 
 

more concerning is that we are back to toe nail offside calls which were dumped because of this manual freeze framing of the play - you couldn’t be sure exactly when the ball was kicked so it was decided that if the lines were too close then wouldn’t be offside. We will undoubtedly now have erroneous calls made because it’s impossible to freeze the frame at exactly the right time. of course we won’t see that because we accept the frame is frozen correctly. 

Edited 24 June 2024 by st albans fox

[whoareyaaa]

On 06/06/2024 at 18:57, Jonezy said:

I really enjoyed this season without VAR. After years of VAR, I just enjoyed the flow and being able to enjoy goals again. Even major decisons going against us at Ipswich and Leeds did not bother me as much, as it would in the past.

 

Thank you for spotting Chilwell being offside by near nothing in the FA Cup final VAR, but you are ruining my experience and I have learned I can live with ref mistakes. I am saddend, that only Wolves see it this way.

I’d rather we did have VAR and it should be quicker with new automated offside.

 

I think without VAR you are giving the big clubs much more advantage as refs always used to favour decisions towards them at least VAR stops that to an extent