Managerial Replacements

[LestaLad]

 

[SuperMike]

19 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Apparently Chelsea have enquired about our next manager’s availability. 

Is this for the appointment they'll need to make mid-october?? 

[StriderHiryu]

Might be time to start getting more familiar with these!
https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/graham-potter-chelsea-brighton-tactics/

 

Of note is this part with Brighton:

 

Potter regularly used a 3-4-2-1 in which two attacking midfielders support a lone striker (above) and form a four-player central midfield box which could overload opposing midfield threes. The wide centre-backs in this shape were encouraged to get forwards regularly – Ben White and Dan Burn did so particularly effectively – to support the wing-back on their side. There was a fluidity to their shape that opponents consistently struggled to deal with.

[iancognito]

54 minutes ago, koop. said:

Paddy Power has suspended betting on Potter by the looks of it 

Paddy Power drove a hearse round King Power the day after we sacked Ranieri, they aren't necessarily the sensible head in this discussion.

[Finnegan]

My biggest issue with Potter is I'm not entirely convinced he benefits from last summer's recruitment. Particularly Mavididi and Fatawu who are our best attacking outlets. 

[iancognito]

1 hour ago, nettle said:

Surely Potter has got a better pedigree than Cooper, the fact that Chelsea gave Potter the managers job must say something Cooper wouldn't get a sniff at any of the top jobs says it all really.  

Have you missed 18 months? Chelsea fired a coach that won them the UCL and Super Cup, appointed Frank Lampard to steady the ship, spent half a billion pounds on 8 year contracted players and misfits and then fired Potter after a few months because the only side they could score past was us with Danny Ward in goal. Potter hasnt worked since.

 

His work at Brighton was eye-catching but let's not pretend we're getting a hot talent here. Cooper gets stick because his body of work is less impressive and " cuz hE's ForRriSt" but he did turn round a Forest side that spent decades in the doldrums and managed to do enough with a cast of 40 unproven or ungelled players to keep them up too.

 

And let's not forget we're not the most attractive bridesmaid right now.

[daddylonglegs]

23 minutes ago, LestaLad said:

 

I imagine he's been our first choice for each of the last three managerial vacancies that we've had. Us wanting him isn't the problem.

[Pliskin]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

My biggest issue with Potter is I'm not entirely convinced he benefits from last summer's recruitment. Particularly Mavididi and Fatawu who are our best attacking outlets. 

I agree. 
 

Top seems hell bent on wanting to play like Man City. But this side has the ability to be a quality counter attacking team.

[AjcW]

2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

My biggest issue with Potter is I'm not entirely convinced he benefits from last summer's recruitment. Particularly Mavididi and Fatawu who are our best attacking outlets. 

I'm of the opinion (not a massive sample) that he does seem to adapt to what is in front of him.

 

His entire time at Swansea was a variation of 4-2-3-1. Which would be fine for us.

 

Brighton, they never really had good wingers and never had more than one striker of any ability, so he had to come up with something that suited their team. However he did whack out the 4-2-3-1/4-1-4-1 on occassion there too. 

 

[Finnegan]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

I agree. 
 

Top seems hell bent on wanting to play like Man City. But this side has the ability to be a quality counter attacking team.

 

I don't necessarily mean like that. As I've said before, "counter attacking football" is a bit of a myth. At very least, it's misunderstood. Counter attacking is contextual and something you can opt to do when the opportunity arises, your entire attack shouldn't rely exclusively on it or that's when you become a completely shit team (a la David Moyes.)

 

You have to be able to break down an opponent that refuses to engage, against whom you can't counter. 

 

But being "a possession based team" means a lot of things. There are many different systems and patterns of play you can use, requiring many different skill sets in your players. What Enzo wanted, particularly in terms of wide players, full backs and centre mids was very different to what Potter has wanted historically. 

 

This makes me a little anxious. Far more than any perceived record of Potter's teams not scoring, given this is a guy that was stuck with Maupay and Welbeck as his finishing options. 

 

[ClaphamFox]

13 minutes ago, iancognito said:

Paddy Power drove a hearse round King Power the day after we sacked Ranieri, they aren't necessarily the sensible head in this discussion.

To be fair, it was pretty funny when they managed to convince half of twitter that they'd chopped down a large swathe of the Brazilian rainforest to carve out a message of support for England just before the World Cup in 2014. 

[Scotch]

6 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

My biggest issue with Potter is I'm not entirely convinced he benefits from last summer's recruitment. Particularly Mavididi and Fatawu who are our best attacking outlets. 

I was thinking the same... 

 

Best I could come up with is Fatawu as RWB and potentially Mavididi as striker buy neither is really ideal and we'll lose dangerous parts of their play. 

[foxfanazer]

I feel more excited by Potter than any of the other options. Not saying he'll necessarily be a success but I feel like the ceiling would be higher with him than the others

[Brizzle Fox]

1 hour ago, foxfanazer said:

Has Maresca gone yet?

Never heard of him but I bloody wish we'd sack Rodgers before it's too late.

[SecretPro]

39 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

So who's going to take pre-season training for the first few weeks?! 

Nobody. The club is folding.

[RedSoxUK]

3 minutes ago, Scotch said:

I was thinking the same... 

 

Best I could come up with is Fatawu as RWB and potentially Mavididi as striker buy neither is really ideal and we'll lose dangerous parts of their play. 

Potter is known not to be rigid I think so will adapt to fit our attacking 3 probably, it'll have to be a 343 / 433 or sacrifice one, or both wingers which I think is doubtful.

 

3 CBs

RWB, LWB, 2 CMs

Fatawu, Vardy, Mavididi. 

[Gamble92]

I'm imagining a scenario where Potter tells us he will join us if Southgate keeps the England job. So Rudkin has Top round his to watch the Euros, and we hopelessly go out in the group stage and they're sat there like this - 

 

[AjcW]

3 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

Potter is known not to be rigid I think so will adapt to fit our attacking 3 probably, it'll have to be a 343 / 433 or sacrifice one, or both wingers which I think is doubtful.

 

3 CBs

RWB, LWB, 2 CMs

Fatawu, Vardy, Mavididi. 

3-4-3 would be interesting.

 

Assuming no signings just because I can't be arsed to think of any.

 

Mads

 

Faes

Vesty

Coady

 

New RWB

Kristiansen

 

Ricardo/Winks

KDH

 

Fatawu

Vardy/Other striker

Mavididi

 

 

Actually looks quite nice! (apart from wanting a different CB or two with some pace!!!!)

Edited 10 June 2024 by AjcW

[LVFox]

26 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Might be time to start getting more familiar with these!
https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/graham-potter-chelsea-brighton-tactics/

 

Of note is this part with Brighton:

 

Potter regularly used a 3-4-2-1 in which two attacking midfielders support a lone striker (above) and form a four-player central midfield box which could overload opposing midfield threes. The wide centre-backs in this shape were encouraged to get forwards regularly – Ben White and Dan Burn did so particularly effectively – to support the wing-back on their side. There was a fluidity to their shape that opponents consistently struggled to deal with.

3 - 4 - 2 - 1 suits our squad to be honest.

 

We will need a mobile centre midfielder to partner Winks -  assuming KDH goes (Lamine Camara please).

 

But, I think this appointment could work....I still don't see Potter fancying it

[whoareyaaa]

3 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

Potter is known not to be rigid I think so will adapt to fit our attacking 3 probably, it'll have to be a 343 / 433 or sacrifice one, or both wingers which I think is doubtful.

 

3 CBs

RWB, LWB, 2 CMs

Fatawu, Vardy, Mavididi. 

We have the players for this system so it could work out.

[LVFox]

 

Just now, AjcW said:

3-4-3 would be interesting.

 

Assuming no signings just because I can't be arsed to think of any.

 

Mads

 

Faes

Vesty

Coady

 

New RWB

Kristensen

 

Ricardo

KDH

 

Fatawu

Vardy/Other striker

Mavididi

 

 

Actually looks quite nice! (apart from wanting a different CB or two with some pace!!!!)

Justin would work at RWB (maybe even as a wide centre back too).

 

Ricky will struggle in this system, doesn't have the legs to be RWB or as one of two central midfielders. He could work as part of the front 3 though 

[AjcW]

1 minute ago, LVFox said:

 

Justin would work at RWB (maybe even as a wide centre back too).

 

Ricky will struggle in this system, doesn't have the legs to be RWB or as one of two central midfielders. He could work as part of the front 3 though 

Yeah i put 'new RWB as I'm just not sure either of them have the legs for a whole season there  

 

I can see Justin being part of the back 3 also.

[Phenom]

48 minutes ago, LestaLad said:

 

This makes a lot of sense. Hope we’re one of his top choices. Or at least convince him to come.

[foxfanazer]

Even though some aren't convinced by him I do feel like if we do manage to get Potter it shows the club still has some pull

[RedSoxUK]

7 minutes ago, AjcW said:

3-4-3 would be interesting.

 

Assuming no signings just because I can't be arsed to think of any.

 

Mads

 

Faes

Vesty

Coady

 

New RWB

Kristiansen

 

Ricardo/Winks

KDH

 

Fatawu

Vardy/Other striker

Mavididi

 

 

Actually looks quite nice! (apart from wanting a different CB or two with some pace!!!!)

Yeah and they're already adapted to it in possession due to the bank of 3 and 2, could easily use the players we've got where a RWB (Justin?) and Kristianson play wider and further up allowing Mavididi and Fatawu to be more central, where we want them. Pretty sure he did something similar with Chelsea, a 3-2-5 which isn't a world away from Maresca.