Managerial Replacements

[John rayner]

Just now, whoareyaaa said:

We literally finished 5th and 8th and won the Championship & FA Cup playing that football.

 

BuT TeH STyle WoNt WoRk

Let's get this season out the way because we all know that we will be back in the championship playing football the Cooper way 

[Tielemans63]

Just when you think Rudkin has reached his level, he find another even further down

[Lcfcman2010]

6 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

The inconsistency is it's being reported that Cooper was our top choice. 

 

So either that's BS (likely) or Potter's agents have tried to make it look like it was his job if he wanted it to save face from being beaten by Cooper to the role. 

For what it's worth, I tend not to share stuff now as you're either ITK or a cvnt when it's wrong, but I've been told Potter wasn't first choice but showed interest through agents. 

 

Offers tabled to Potter and he's delayed on timescale set out to agents from club on numerous occasions, whether him or the agent. 

 

Cooper has agreed to a 3 year deal apparently and its down to club. He knows he isn't first choice but wants back in to the game. 

 

A third unknown in a job manager has spoken to the club but FFP and points deduction has that on the back burner. 

 

Frank lampard spoke to as well. 

 

Believe it or not, just what I've been told from a relative that works very closely with club. He's been right more than wrong but it's a close running. 😅

 

[CrazyKopCorner]

2 minutes ago, Tielemans63 said:

Just when you think Rudkin has reached his level, he find another even further down

When it goes tits up again he really needs to get it in the neck 

[Corky]

What are we likely to see defensively? Is Vestergaard going to suit his style?

[Raj]

Have we got one yet?

[UniFox21]

Not even sure where you start with this shit anymore 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

3 minutes ago, Corky said:

What are we likely to see defensively? Is Vestergaard going to suit his style?

Probably not. But hopefully that'll teach them not to go giving players contract extensions before appointing a manager.

[fox_favourite]

I think the main question is what will the players think of it? Will some go thinking they don't want to play for Cooper (KDH?, Winks etc...). Will Fatawu sign? 

 

A lot of the players loved playing for Enzo by the sounds of it, Cooper is completely different. 

 

The "vision" is all over the place. There isn't a vision, just how to survive and do things on the cheap. 

[UniFox21]

Just now, fox_favourite said:

I think the main question is what will the players think of it? Will some go thinking they don't want to play for Cooper (KDH?, Winks etc...). Will Fatawu sign? 

 

A lot of the players loved playing for Enzo by the sounds of it, Cooper is completely different. 

 

The "vision" is all over the place. There isn't a vision, just how to survive and do things on the cheap. 

Those planning the vision 

   

[Muzzy_no7]

[StanSP]

Where's this stuff about new signings already in place? 

[Pliskin]

2 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

I think the main question is what will the players think of it? Will some go thinking they don't want to play for Cooper (KDH?, Winks etc...). Will Fatawu sign? 

 

A lot of the players loved playing for Enzo by the sounds of it, Cooper is completely different. 

 

The "vision" is all over the place. There isn't a vision, just how to survive and do things on the cheap. 

Look up the word Obligation. 

[Gubbins]

4 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

We literally finished 5th and 8th and won the Championship & FA Cup playing that football.

 

BuT TeH STyle WoNt WoRk

Relegated ourselves playing it as well. And a key difference then and when we finished 5th, 8th and won the cup is that we played 'that' football with much much better players than we have currently and even then we imploded in those seasons due to a lack of fight and bottle when the pressure was on. Last season we had vastly better players than pretty much the whole league and it was that more than the bullshit style that got us up. Noticeable again how often we blew it under pressure as the season went on. So no ThE StYle WoNt WorK if we try playing it with players not good enough and against teams who are better at it than us. Wel need to work and fight harder then them to give ourselves a chance.

[UniFox21]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Where's this stuff about new signings already in place? 

 

 

 

[Guppys Love Child]

17 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

We finished 5th and 8th playing that exact style.

 

Yes we got relegated but that because Rodgers wanted out and board didn't react quick enough, along with players running down there contracts.

 

We also won the league last season playing that style.

In the god awful championship..

 

Let's not kid ourselves, we were let off playing 'that style' numerous times due to playing against poor opposition, their rubbish finishing and the fact the teams around us didn't capitalise when we had a wobble or 3 at the business end of the season .

 

My post I did say that  'the style' wouldn't work in the Premiership and why IMO it wouldn't in the final paragraph.

 

[RoboFox]

Going from thinking that we're appointing Graham Potter to appointing Steve Cooper is like thinking you've got a date with Margot Robbie but you turn up and you've actually got a date with Steve Cooper.

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, Gubbins said:

Relegated ourselves playing it as well. And a key difference then and when we finished 5th, 8th and won the cup is that we played 'that' football with much much better players than we have currently and even then we imploded in those seasons due to a lack of fight and bottle when the pressure was on. Last season we had vastly better players than pretty much the whole league and it was that more than the bullshit style that got us up. Noticeable again how often we blew it under pressure as the season went on. So no ThE StYle WoNt WorK if we try playing it with players not good enough and against teams who are better at it than us. Wel need to work and fight harder then them to give ourselves a chance.

We got relegated because Rodgers wanted out and we had players running down there contracts, nothing more to it.. nothing to do with the football.

 

Last season we won the league playing a similar style yes we had a blip like any team does in a season and still won the league quite comfortably in the end.

 

Coopers style is the opposite to what we have been doing and the players we have who are used to playing possession based football, it makes no sense what so ever.

[Lako42]

Players will be massively underwhelmed

[whoareyaaa]

2 minutes ago, Guppys Love Child said:

In the god awful championship..

 

Let's not kid ourselves, we were let off playing 'that style' numerous times due to playing against poor opposition, their rubbish finishing and the fact the teams around us didn't capitalise when we had a wobble or 3 at the business end of the season .

 

My post I did say that  'the style' wouldn't work in the Premiership and why IMO it wouldn't in the final paragraph.

 

We won the league mate, We also finished 5th and 8th in the Prem playing a worse type of possesion based football under Rodgers.

[KansasFox]

2 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

Going from thinking that we're appointing Graham Potter to appointing Steve Cooper is like thinking you've got a date with Margot Robbie but you turn up and you've actually got a date with Steve Cooper.

I went to bed thinking it was Potter and Woke up to Steve Cooper!!

[Pliskin]

One word on Potter, if it is as the media are suggesting, and he is the one ****ing around, then do we really want him here? We  need someone who wants to be here, and clearly Potter isn’t sure. Which means if we were to start well under him, he would likely piss off at the first opportunity. I think Potters a genuine flight risk, so with that in mind, I’m glad we’re moving on from him.

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

I was pretty excited and optimistic about Maresca. He was coming in with good pedigree and good recommendations. If Cooper had been working with Pep Guardiola and Manuel Pelligrini and was highly regarded by both then I'd be a lot more excited.

 

I get that you think some of the reactions on here might be a bit melodramatic - it's FoxesTalk after all - and you do tend to get yourself a bit dug-in and entrenched when these arguments turn in to FT vs. Babylon but you've actually lost the wood for the trees if you genuinely don't think Enzo was a more exciting and promising appointment than Cooper.

 

Even we don't seem to actually have wanted Cooper, we've spent a month looking around for better options and appear to have circled back because we're drawing blanks. Meanwhile we went chasing Maresca back when we were still in the Premier League and went straight in for him when we went down.

 

I wasn’t excited about Maresca, I had little opinion of him really as his only experience was a total flop at his first club. I know everyone loves Pep, but not all his coaches are going to be good managers. 

 

Im not really excited by Cooper either, but he was respected enough to be taken to Liverpool to head their youth team from Wrexham, and then respected enough to get a post with England winning Trophies. Did a more than respectable job at Swansea and then a fantastic first season at Forest and for me a decent season in keeping them up.

 

His record is respectable. 
 

We’ve shown before with Rodgers (I think it was a good appointment but went in too long) and Maresca that the club have tried to get in managers that aren’t the easy opinion. We’ve clearly tried to convince Potter to no avail.
 

I think it’s harsh to say we don’t want him, if you scout 5 players and only get your third choice, doesn’t mean you didn’t want him. 
 

I personally think reasonably we are going to have one eye on next season, it would need a miracle to stay up considering the circumstances. And he’s proven a good championship manger and played good football. 
 

Corberan I would be happy with, but clearly there is a sticking point. We are looking at him and something has obviously made us question it more than Cooper and it doesn’t necessarily have to be about Money. He might not have interviewed well, who knows.

[lcfcsnow]

Just now, whoareyaaa said:

We also finished 5th and 8th in the Prem playing a worse type of possesion based football under Rodgers.

We were largely awful the season we finished 8th, until the last few games we were in danger of getting relegated. We were often bailed out by individual quality, all of whom have left now.

[Molson Canadian]

Changing the style of play up, after the core of the team who will remain got adjusted to playing build up possession style. 

 

Is this a case of every other manager available saying no and Cooper the only one saying yes?  

Edited 19 June 2024 by Molson Canadian