“There’s no loyalty in football anymore”

[Phube]

11 hours ago, davieG said:

When I first started watching early 60's this was the core of the team

 

Matt Gillies - 10

 

Banks - 8

Appleton - 12

Chalmers - 7

King - 8

Sjoberg - 13

Norman - 7

Riley - !0

Cross - 14

McLintock - 5

Gibson - 8

Stringfellow - 13

Roberts - 7

Walsh - 6

Keyworth - 7

 

 

The only 1  I can remember moving to a 'bigger' club was McLintock to Arsenal and of course Banks being pushed out by Shilton to Stoke.

 

Bit did we just have a team of players who had reached their level. Were any of the players attracting attention from the Big Boys back then? 
 

As mentioned before, loyalty demands a choice. 
 

Me staying in my job for 10+ years doesn’t mean I’m loyal, it means I’ve never bothered looking for a new job, or been approached. 

[PaulW]

18 hours ago, Fox92 said:

I can accept managers leaving but he has left after one year. This is after we took a chance and gambled on him. First chance of going and he's off. Kick in the teeth. 

Trouble is, our board weren't straight with him when appointing him, regarding our financial situation, and the possible points deduction.

[OnlyOneCity]

1 minute ago, Phube said:

Bit did we just have a team of players who had reached their level. Were any of the players attracting attention from the Big Boys back then? 
 

As mentioned before, loyalty demands a choice. 
 

Me staying in my job for 10+ years doesn’t mean I’m loyal, it means I’ve never bothered looking for a new job, or been approached. 

There were no big boys back then, as there are now. All teams had a star player and you knew virtually every other team’s players. Manchester Utd. were the most famous. Between 1960 and 1972, there were 10 different 1st Division champions.  Almost any of the 22 teams were capable of winning the league. There were 9 different F.A. Cup winners. A more level playing field then. Unfortunately the Media have given us a “top 6” , so when teams like City, Villa and Brighton get in there, they don’t like it. 

[themightyfin]

[Raj]

Think we as fans roll out the "Theres no loyalty in football nowadays" and im sure i have in the past, but @Phube is right there probably never ever was.

Stevie G, Tony Adams only 1 team (Im not sure if they had any lower league teams first?) whi i can think of off the top of my head who could and no doubt did have opportunities to leave(we know Jose wanted Stevie G)

We would ALL move jobs if we were given more cash for the same role and if the circumstances were right, weird how we cry when its football.

 

 

[davieG]

1 hour ago, Phube said:

Bit did we just have a team of players who had reached their level. Were any of the players attracting attention from the Big Boys back then? 
 

As mentioned before, loyalty demands a choice. 
 

Me staying in my job for 10+ years doesn’t mean I’m loyal, it means I’ve never bothered looking for a new job, or been approached. 

I don't think there was anywhere near the level of transfers you get these days, it was big news for anyone to move.

 

I agree it wasn't simply about loyalty more to do with that's how life was people stayed in jobs for life until the 1960s. Where I started my apprenticeship there where many that had been there for 50 years even returning from WW2 back to their old job. Even the MD and the one before him started there as apprentices.

[pkonline]

Players and staff will never have the same affection for a club, compared to the fans - and we shouldn't expect them to.

[urban fox]

Thete was no such thing as player power back then either. No bosman ruling and a much more level playing field in terms of wages etc. 

It was common for players to simply be told that they had been sold by the clubs and then left to sort out their personal terms. If the player didn't want the move, then they were simply dropped to the reserves.

If a player wanted to move, even at the end of their contract, they had to submit a formal transfer request and would then be "listed", with the club retaining their registration until a suitable transfer fee was agreed.

[Tommy G]

Some fans think our players/mangers are born Leicester fans..Fatawu would never of heard of Leicester before last summer, for example. Football is a job, more money and better prospects = offski, it's not a hard concept. 

[Sly]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

Some fans think our players/mangers are born Leicester fans..Fatawu would never of heard of Leicester before last summer, for example. Football is a job, more money and better prospects = offski, it's not a hard concept. 

I’m sure Fatawu knew of us!! We were the bloody champions of the EPL on FIFA17! 

 

It’s not like when Mahrez joined and he thought we were a rugby team. 

[gazzaa2]

Half the Plymouth post-match thread was "Maresca Out" posts.

 

That was barely a month ago!

[splinterdream]

https://x.com/lcfcrnvr/status/1795871452643656102?t=BuItGCFat1zkb6XIkJg_Pg&s=19

Edited 29 May 2024 by splinterdream

[worthosoriginals]

24 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

https://x.com/lcfcrnvr/status/1795871452643656102?t=BuItGCFat1zkb6XIkJg_Pg&s=19

Ginger gobshite.

[don_danbury]

7 hours ago, Sly said:

I’m sure Fatawu knew of us!! We were the bloody champions of the EPL on FIFA17! 

 

It’s not like when Mahrez joined and he thought we were a rugby team. 

loved to have seen him in a rugby match  

[funkyrobot]

10 hours ago, Raj said:

Think we as fans roll out the "Theres no loyalty in football nowadays" and im sure i have in the past, but @Phube is right there probably never ever was.

Stevie G, Tony Adams only 1 team (Im not sure if they had any lower league teams first?) whi i can think of off the top of my head who could and no doubt did have opportunities to leave(we know Jose wanted Stevie G)

We would ALL move jobs if we were given more cash for the same role and if the circumstances were right, weird how we cry when its football.

 

 

It’s not like a normal job though, you can’t compare a football manager and his team to a standard office job or similar. In a normal job when you are headhunted by another employer there is usually both a succession plan within the business involving staff already employed in the business and/or a reasonable handover time when the person leaving will assist with the handover to the new appointment. In football management there isn’t that. Not only that, the whole management team is usually entirely asset stripped as will be the case with Maresca and his gang. Tbh, Enzo leaving after just one season and after winning The Championship is an outlier, it’s not a normal situation even in the disloyal world of football. I can’t think of another example in recent times. I do totally understand why he’s  gone. There’s football reasons sure,  but the most important consideration is money.

 

The apparent scarcity of the type of managers top clubs now want has resulted in relegated Kompany at Bayern and Championship experienced Enzo at Chelsea. This scarcity of talent and the level of disruption left at the asset stripped club should be reflected in a higher compensation or transfer fee for a manager. £10m doesn’t reflect the risk that Enzo leaving now places on Leicester’s chances of survival. He should’ve cost Chelsea the price of a quality player on a long term contract, something like £30m or so. Not only does this truly reflect the potential damage that a successful manager leaving causes to a club, it might make clubs like Chelsea think twice before signing new managers on for five years and then sacking them less than 12 months later, repeating the process to asset stripping another club! 

[gurru991]

Let's be honest here.  Chelsea are a big big club & getting the chance to be their coach is a no brainer.  I don't blame him one little bit for jumping at the chance of proving himself at the highest level

[davieG]

Just seen on tv programme when Celtic became the 1st British team to win the European Cup in 1967 all their team came from 30 miles of Glasgow. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

I think there’s been scenarios where we feel we’ve been let down but in reality most of the time, those players/managers had reached their limit with us. 
 

Little, his mistake was saying he was going to stay. Put that to one side, Villa were a huge club at the time and were setting up to rebuild an aging squad with millions. We’d given him Nicky Mohan as his PL cb.

 

O’neil had done wonders for little but in fact only left us because it was Celtic. He turned down both Leeds and Spurs before. 
 

For my generation, that O’Neil side was filled with players who could’ve quite easily have moved on. Lennon could’ve played for any of the top sides but again, only left for Celtic because it was Celtic. Elliott for months was heavily linked with Liverpool as the player to partner Hyypia, he didn’t take it. Izzet had the greatest change of heart ever.

 

Vardy is the best and most obvious example. 
 

So while we may have situations like Kante, Mahrez, McGhee, Fofana and now Enzo (by the way apart from McGhee, I understand all the others and their reasons), we also have a lot of “loyalty” in our history to be proud of. 
 

In summary, bigger moves in football happen AND McGhee is an idiot but he trigger an amazing period, so a useful idiot
 

 

[Chelmofox]

On 30/05/2024 at 01:54, gurru991 said:

Let's be honest here.  Chelsea are a big big club & getting the chance to be their coach is a no brainer.  I don't blame him one little bit for jumping at the chance of proving himself at the highest level

Funny - when i was younger i never associated Chelsea as a big club. They were always plucky strugglers and sorted themselves late Ken bates era. Dodgy Russian oil bought their way to the riches and the big time, but i still don't consider them a big club. Just one who spends a sh1t load of cash.

[Dr The Singh]

7 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Funny - when i was younger i never associated Chelsea as a big club. They were always plucky strugglers and sorted themselves late Ken bates era. Dodgy Russian oil bought their way to the riches and the big time, but i still don't consider them a big club. Just one who spends a sh1t load of cash.

My boss has a box at Chelsea, been many times, we are tim pot.  The whole of London changes, we have a few a Fbar and some chavvy bars in town.

[Chelmofox]

3 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

My boss has a box at Chelsea, been many times, we are tim pot.  The whole of London changes, we have a few a Fbar and some chavvy bars in town.

Who is Tim?

[Dr The Singh]

3 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Who is Tim?

Brother on Tin

[gurru991]

1 hour ago, Chelmofox said:

Funny - when i was younger i never associated Chelsea as a big club. They were always plucky strugglers and sorted themselves late Ken bates era. Dodgy Russian oil bought their way to the riches and the big time, but i still don't consider them a big club. Just one who spends a sh1t load of cash.

They have won lots and  and are usually contenders for Europe so in my mind that makes them a big club. Let’s be brutally honest here.. You can manage a top six club or you can manage a relegation candidate. Whether or not you consider Chelsea a big club or not it’s a very easy to see why Maresca made the choice that he did.  By the way … who do you consider a big club ?

[California Fox]

On 28/05/2024 at 10:42, Fox92 said:

I can accept managers leaving but he has left after one year. This is after we took a chance and gambled on him. First chance of going and he's off. Kick in the teeth. 

This is true..  but, if in his shoes, Chelsea offering, Foxes have looming financial issues...  an offer like this may never come around again...  hard to decline.  It's not like he's jumping to Southampton.

 

Would be nice if he stayed and tried to build something special at Leicester.  But I understand.

[Marky mark]

Love this loyalty nonsense - to most players it’s a job nothing more how ever attached they seem 

if someone offered a pay rise of any description and better t&c we’d take it or most of us would I’m sure footballers are no different