Cooper - OUT

[FOXSE]

20 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Many times this season we seem out of position in both defence and attack without committing an abnormal amount of players that should cause us to be ill equipped. I still haven't fathomed out how, at times it's like we have 2-3 less players than the opposition.

It actually happened under Rodgers in our relegation season, where we seemed to be light in numbers all over the pitch. With that, I think it was lack of player effort, this feels more that they are just a bit disconnected.

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

1 hour ago, FOXSE said:

It actually happened under Rodgers in our relegation season, where we seemed to be light in numbers all over the pitch. With that, I think it was lack of player effort, this feels more that they are just a bit disconnected.

I was watching Arsenal-Liverpool at the pub yesterday (rooting for the meteor to hit), but I was just thinking "The can complete a frigging pass; they can get into position" and, dammit, our team could do that just a few years ago.

 

Yes, the "top teams" have better players, but at the same time: Our team members aren't amateurs! They are being badly trained and badly managed. 

 

[Kp1984]

Has he gone yet 

[Royston.]

8 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

@Mark

 

Can we delete this thread and start a new one about how brilliant Cooper is, in case the Glazers look in here?

swap for Ten Haag Rudkin special

[Sly]

7 hours ago, FOXSE said:

It actually happened under Rodgers in our relegation season, where we seemed to be light in numbers all over the pitch. With that, I think it was lack of player effort, this feels more that they are just a bit disconnected.

I think it’s our press that does it, or lack of.
 

We leave huge gaps all over the place. 

Now, the major question is that tactical or fitness. 
 

 

[Sly]

If you look at the stats as well, we’re in the top three for blocks, saves, tackles, clearances and headed clearances. That defence has been battered and stood up better than maybe we give them credit for. You can’t be top of all of those matrix and expect to keep goals out. 
 

We’ve got the fewest shots on target in 9 games, only 26. We are averaging less than 3 shots on target per game. 
 

We’ve got the 2nd lowest number of shots taken. 

The least amount of corners taken. 

 

We are currently out scoring out xG but that’s Vardy all over isn’t it? Without him we’d be in worse shape than we are now. Can you imagine if we’d gone into this season with Vardy retired, Daka injured and we’d kept Iheanacho or had decided to play Eduardo!?

 

We’ve got some good players in this squad.

 

Vardy isn’t going to generate enough magic to keep us up, so Cooper or whoever needs to work out how we shoot more and get us in more offensive positions further up the pitch. 

 

As if the ball spends less time being around our defence; we’ll concede less. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

2 hours ago, Sly said:

If you look at the stats as well, we’re in the top three for blocks, saves, tackles, clearances and headed clearances. That defence has been battered and stood up better than maybe we give them credit for. You can’t be top of all of those matrix and expect to keep goals out. 
 

We’ve got the fewest shots on target in 9 games, only 26. We are averaging less than 3 shots on target per game. 
 

We’ve got the 2nd lowest number of shots taken. 

The least amount of corners taken. 

 

We are currently out scoring out xG but that’s Vardy all over isn’t it? Without him we’d be in worse shape than we are now. Can you imagine if we’d gone into this season with Vardy retired, Daka injured and we’d kept Iheanacho or had decided to play Eduardo!?

 

We’ve got some good players in this squad.

 

Vardy isn’t going to generate enough magic to keep us up, so Cooper or whoever needs to work out how we shoot more and get us in more offensive positions further up the pitch. 

 

As if the ball spends less time being around our defence; we’ll concede less. 

In addition if the defence is under that much pressure they will make individual errors, the levels of concentration when under pressure week in week out have to be insane. This is why managers like Enzo wanted us to control and dominate possession because it creates pressure on the opposition to be ultra disciplined, fit and have superb levels of concentration whilst out of possession, you effectively grind down teams. 
 

Our out of possession set up is so poor under Cooper, hence we are conceding a boat load of chances every week, our defence is under constant pressure, our goalkeeper is having to make world class saves in each and every game and we are shipping goals at nearly 2 per game, this is not sustainable over a 38 game season and expect to be anywhere but in the bottom 3. 
 

We have a tough run of fixtures after Ipswich, if we continue to play as we have in the first 9 games then I can only see us on the end of a few sobering results and the mood will change very quickly, trouble is if another 4 or 5 games have gone by and we have been on the end of few comprehensive defeats, morale could well be on the floor and it will be a different proposition for potential replacements. 
 

 

[Babylon]

17 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

They were the same under Enzo, we made plenty of mistake, you just get away with it more in the Championship. 

 

People need to go back and look at the number of mistakes we made playing out last season! 

 

We certainly did, but what I'd say there was we were more attacking than we are now, where most of the time we've been happy to sit back and be defensive, rather than taking risks. 

[foxfanazer]

It's quite simple really. He hasn't done enough to convince fans who never wanted him in the first place but he's done enough for our board who thought he was a reasonable appointment. The board and the fans ambitions haven't been aligned for years now

[Sol thewall Bamba]

8 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

It's quite simple really. He hasn't done enough to convince fans who never wanted him in the first place but he's done enough for our board who thought he was a reasonable appointment. The board and the fans ambitions haven't been aligned for years now

Yeah this is quite true tbf. Aligns with the drop off in interest from the owner. 

[winteriscoming]

When Southampton eventually get rid of Mr Ego we will imo have the worst manager in the league. That’s saying something when you have Dyche and McKenna whose relatively new to the league as well in this division. 

[don_danbury]

1 hour ago, winteriscoming said:

When Southampton eventually get rid of Mr Ego we will imo have the worst manager in the league. That’s saying something when you have Dyche and McKenna whose relatively new to the league as well in this division. 

dyche is hardly new to the premier league. kept burnley up for a few seasons and even got them 7th at one point.

[winteriscoming]

1 minute ago, don_danbury said:

dyche is hardly new to the premier league. kept burnley up for a few seasons and even got them 7th at one point.

I was referring to McKenna being new as a manager not Dyche. 

[MGLCFC]

I would say McKenna is much better than Cooper. At least his teams are set up with the intention of winning games and play attacking football. It wouldn't surprise me if we both keep our managers for the whole season, if Ipswich don't finish above us.

[BenTheFox]

1 hour ago, winteriscoming said:

When Southampton eventually get rid of Mr Ego we will imo have the worst manager in the league. That’s saying something when you have Dyche and McKenna whose relatively new to the league as well in this division. 

The same Sean Dyche that has managed more than 7 seasons at this level and even managed to get Burnley to qualify for Europe one season. I really don't understand the lack of respect. I'd have everyday of the week if it was a straight choice between him and Cooper. 

[winteriscoming]

1 hour ago, BenTheFox said:

The same Sean Dyche that has managed more than 7 seasons at this level and even managed to get Burnley to qualify for Europe one season. I really don't understand the lack of respect. I'd have everyday of the week if it was a straight choice between him and Cooper. 

This just shows how far we’ve fallen behind when Dyches anti football is preferred to clueless Cooper. 
Another reason why an unknown foreign imo is a better option. 
Genuinely would not want Dyche here. 

[BenTheFox]

Just now, winteriscoming said:

This just shows how far we’ve fallen behind when Dyches anti football is preferred to clueless Cooper. 
Another reason why an unknown foreign imo is a better option. 
Genuinely would not want Dyche here. 

Funny thing is though, had we sacked Rodgers in January 2023 and brought in Dyche instead of Everton getting held of him, we may have been sniggered by footballing snobs, but we would have stayed in the league. 

[winteriscoming]

37 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

Funny thing is though, had we sacked Rodgers in January 2023 and brought in Dyche instead of Everton getting held of him, we may have been sniggered by footballing snobs, but we would have stayed in the league. 

Probably. 
The time we should of got rid of Rodgers was imo after the Forest fa cup defeat. 
There was 10+ games of that season left for a new coach and then a full pre season. Better options then available as well. 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

19 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

Probably. 
The time we should of got rid of Rodgers was imo after the Forest fa cup defeat. 
There was 10+ games of that season left for a new coach and then a full pre season. Better options then available as well. 

One million per cent agree

 

Rodgers shouldn't of been allowed back on the team coach after that defeat 

[foxfanazer]

27 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

Probably. 
The time we should of got rid of Rodgers was imo after the Forest fa cup defeat. 
There was 10+ games of that season left for a new coach and then a full pre season. Better options then available as well. 

I was done after Bournemouth 

[sharpylcfc]

20 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I was done after Bournemouth 

Was that the Soyuncu imploding fixture?

[Ric Flair]

6 hours ago, Babylon said:

We certainly did, but what I'd say there was we were more attacking than we are now, where most of the time we've been happy to sit back and be defensive, rather than taking risks. 

The way we play isn't even overly defensive either though, but it's most certainly not attacking. You look at how easy it is to expose our defence and it's clear the whole team is not coached to be strong enough to maintain a strict low block. All 4 goals in the 1st half of the Arsenal and Southampton away games were bog standard low crosses in the box between the bank of defenders and defensive midfielders who should be protecting the team.

 

Can't get my head around it, it smacks of inefficiency to both defensive football or attacking football. We do neither well.

[foxfanazer]

21 minutes ago, sharpylcfc said:

Was that the Soyuncu imploding fixture?

That's the one 

 

 

[sharpylcfc]

3 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

That's the one 

 

 

Just thinking of that game makes me shudder. Just think where we could be as a club now if we got rid of Rodgers at the right time.

[BenTheFox]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

The way we play isn't even overly defensive either though, but it's most certainly not attacking. You look at how easy it is to expose our defence and it's clear the whole team is not coached to be strong enough to maintain a strict low block. All 4 goals in the 1st half of the Arsenal and Southampton away games were bog standard low crosses in the box between the bank of defenders and defensive midfielders who should be protecting the team.

 

Can't get my head around it, it smacks of inefficiency to both defensive football or attacking football. We do neither well.

Hence why we are bottom in pretty much all of the metrics i.e. shots faced, shots taken, xG for and against. The underlying data suggests that we should have fewer points than we do. The way we're playing isn't sustainable. The same could be said of Forest under Cooper. They sacked him, got a better manager in and haven't looked back.