Cooper - OUT

[Trav Le Bleu]

9 hours ago, moseeds said:

Nobody hated Enzo.

Dunno Wouldn't surprise me to find posters on here who hate Jamie Vardy ( @Tinman notwithstanding.)

[5waller5]

11 hours ago, Filbert Fireworks said:

 

They went for cooper knowing it would be ugly and as fans it's horrific to watch in comparison but it was a bold decision at the time and based on Cooper keeping Notts up they thought it could work. 

You’ve spelt “stupid” wrong

[worthosoriginals]

1 hour ago, winteriscoming said:

Being competitive and not been thrashed yet has got us 1 win against Tranmere. 

He sets up to not get thrashed, bus parking, negative line ups. Yes you don't get hammered weekly but you get v few points, view the table of points haul to games played, on target for 19 points end of season.  see some posts above  defending his "dont lose by big amounts' as if its a huge plus. Winning games would be a nice plus not this shite

[RoboFox]

2 hours ago, Lako42 said:

Makes me laugh how so many football fans are addicted and watch it all of the time but are actually completely clueless as to the tactical or technical detail of what they are watching. 

 

Not one of the Cooper in lot could give you a reason from a system / tactical point of view as to why they like him or his style. 

 

It's just general feelings and a weird acceptance of being shit. It's made even weirder by the fact that we have just had a year of incredibly focussed and shrewd tactical football. 

Yeah, but mate... 

 

WhO eLSe wE gUnNa gEt?

[ClaphamFox]

4 minutes ago, worthosoriginals said:

He sets up to not get thrashed, bus parking, negative line ups. Yes you don't get hammered weekly but you get v few points, view the table of points haul to games played, on target for 19 points end of season.  see some posts above  defending his "dont lose by big amounts' as if its a huge plus. Winning games would be a nice plus not this shite

I don't think anybody is defending it. It's just that if a team is losing narrowly or drawing every week, there is probably going to be enough doubt in the board's mind to give the manager a bit longer than they would if the team were getting thrashed every week. That's where we're at right now.

[worthosoriginals]

11 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I don't think anybody is defending it. It's just that if a team is losing narrowly or drawing every week, there is probably going to be enough doubt in the board's mind to give the manager a bit longer than they would if the team were getting thrashed every week. That's where we're at right now.

I disagree that he needs a bit longer or as is often said 'more time', my view and I'd guess a few others would say what he needs is to be shown the door marked exit.

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, worthosoriginals said:

I disagree that he needs a bit longer or as is often said 'more time', my view and I'd guess a few others would say what he needs is to be shown the door marked exit.

I'm not arguing that he needs longer. I'm explaining why our board won't sack him after the six results we've had so far, and what might eventually prompt them to do it. 

[joachim1965]

25 minutes ago, worthosoriginals said:

He sets up to not get thrashed, bus parking, negative line ups. Yes you don't get hammered weekly but you get v few points, view the table of points haul to games played, on target for 19 points end of season.  see some posts above  defending his "dont lose by big amounts' as if its a huge plus. Winning games would be a nice plus not this shite

Makes not a jot of difference if we lose 2-1 or 6-0, still equals zero points and relegation at the end of the season.

 

[Happy Fox]

The disconnect between Maresca’s Guardiolan influence and Cooper’s preferred style highlights a lack of long-term strategy or coherence in Leicester’s backroom. Even after 10 departures and nine incomings this summer, totalling £77.4m, the squad feels trapped between two styles at best and totally unplanned at worst.

 

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/leicester-city-steve-cooper-fans-turning-3301593

[Koke]

Pains me to see Aston Villa besting Bayern in the Champions League. We had a chance to appoint Unai Emery but we dropped a total howler. What a waste of opportunity. Us and Villa are worlds apart now.

[Daggers]

2 hours ago, Lako42 said:

It's not possible to continue at our current XG rates without results significantly declining. 

 

[filbertway]

1 hour ago, Koke said:

Pains me to see Aston Villa besting Bayern in the Champions League. We had a chance to appoint Unai Emery but we dropped a total howler. What a waste of opportunity. Us and Villa are worlds apart now.

To be fair, if it helps, you can comfortably assume Emery would have been totally wasted here and already gone.

[Pliskin]

Interesting chat with an agent I know today. 
 

Through his connections he says it’s not sounding good for Cooper. There is a discord within the dressing room, apparently the biggest concern is Cooper appears to be on the fence with everything, transfers, line ups, formations and a definite style. 
 

There’s a definite feeling he doesn’t really know what to do with the team apparently….

 

There were also some issues in the summer with transfers, naturally the scouting teams will have suggestions that the managers don’t agree with, but again they allegedly found it difficult because Cooper was again on the fence with a lot of players which meant some targets were missed and not progressed. 
 

I think it’s fair to say, the idea that Cooper hasn’t got the dressing room fully inside aren’t wide of the mark. 

[ClaphamFox]

14 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Interesting chat with an agent I know today. 
 

Through his connections he says it’s not sounding good for Cooper. There is a discord within the dressing room, apparently the biggest concern is Cooper appears to be on the fence with everything, transfers, line ups, formations and a definite style. 
 

There’s a definite feeling he doesn’t really know what to do with the team apparently….

 

There were also some issues in the summer with transfers, naturally the scouting teams will have suggestions that the managers don’t agree with, but again they allegedly found it difficult because Cooper was again on the fence with a lot of players which meant some targets were missed and not progressed. 
 

I think it’s fair to say, the idea that Cooper hasn’t got the dressing room fully inside aren’t wide of the mark. 

Did he happen to know any rumours of likely replacements if Cooper gets the boot?

[RoboFox]

1 hour ago, Koke said:

Pains me to see Aston Villa besting Bayern in the Champions League. We had a chance to appoint Unai Emery but we dropped a total howler. What a waste of opportunity. Us and Villa are worlds apart now.

If we'd have binned off Rodgers when we should have I've always said that there was a window of opportunity to approach Emery and it would've been a realistic appointment. I know he turned down Newcastle at some point but our stock at that time was much higher than theirs. This dude is comfortably in the top 5 best managers in the world. 

Instead our gormless board just sat around with their thumbs up their arses whilst we nosedived out of our greatest ever period and regressed back to the mean in the most brutal way possible. 

Now look at us. Arguing over whether or not to sack Steve Cooper FFS. 

[RoboFox]

17 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Interesting chat with an agent I know today. 
 

Through his connections he says it’s not sounding good for Cooper. There is a discord within the dressing room, apparently the biggest concern is Cooper appears to be on the fence with everything, transfers, line ups, formations and a definite style. 
 

There’s a definite feeling he doesn’t really know what to do with the team apparently….

 

There were also some issues in the summer with transfers, naturally the scouting teams will have suggestions that the managers don’t agree with, but again they allegedly found it difficult because Cooper was again on the fence with a lot of players which meant some targets were missed and not progressed. 
 

I think it’s fair to say, the idea that Cooper hasn’t got the dressing room fully inside aren’t wide of the mark. 

Creosote Cooper. 

 

Because he's always on the fence. 

[Tommy G]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

I'm not arguing that he needs longer. I'm explaining why our board won't sack him after the six results we've had so far, and what might eventually prompt them to do it. 

I got what you meant - it wasn't difficult to understand. 

[Pliskin]

5 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Did he happen to know any rumours of likely replacements if Cooper gets the boot?

I did ask and he said he’s heard nothing concrete, but he’s said before as a club we keep our cards very close to our chest…. It’s likely to be someone out of work I’d imagine, as the club wants to maximise their transfer budget in January if they need to. In terms of managers it tends to be decisions made within closed board rooms, so the wider members of the organisation tend not to hear anything until it happens. 
 

It sounds like there’s a general air of discontent around the playing side of the moment at the moment because they’re so used to having a set way of doing things and this is the first time they’ve had a very casual approach, Cooper likes to involve the players in decisions that ordinarily a manager would make, whereas to the average Joe that seems like good management to involve your staff, for footballers generally they want to be led and given a clear definite plan and this doesn’t appear to be Cooper’s style, and it’s causing some confusion and division amongst the players. 
 

 

[RoboFox]

9 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

I did ask and he said he’s heard nothing concrete, but he’s said before as a club we keep our cards very close to our chest…. It’s likely to be someone out of work I’d imagine, as the club wants to maximise their transfer budget in January if they need to. In terms of managers it tends to be decisions made within closed board rooms, so the wider members of the organisation tend not to hear anything until it happens. 
 

It sounds like there’s a general air of discontent around the playing side of the moment at the moment because they’re so used to having a set way of doing things and this is the first time they’ve had a very casual approach, Cooper likes to involve the players in decisions that ordinarily a manager would make, whereas to the average Joe that seems like good management to involve your staff, for footballers generally they want to be led and given a clear definite plan and this doesn’t appear to be Cooper’s style, and it’s causing some confusion and division amongst the players. 
 

 

[Iwebema]

12 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

I did ask and he said he’s heard nothing concrete, but he’s said before as a club we keep our cards very close to our chest…. It’s likely to be someone out of work I’d imagine, as the club wants to maximise their transfer budget in January if they need to. In terms of managers it tends to be decisions made within closed board rooms, so the wider members of the organisation tend not to hear anything until it happens. 
 

It sounds like there’s a general air of discontent around the playing side of the moment at the moment because they’re so used to having a set way of doing things and this is the first time they’ve had a very casual approach, Cooper likes to involve the players in decisions that ordinarily a manager would make, whereas to the average Joe that seems like good management to involve your staff, for footballers generally they want to be led and given a clear definite plan and this doesn’t appear to be Cooper’s style, and it’s causing some confusion and division amongst the players. 
 

 

Interesting.... I don't work in the game, but as you've mentioned it (from far more connected sources than me) a family member of mine is involved in the youth set up at forest, and players at that level obviously know eachother in different clubs and I had heard very similar things to your last point (can't speak to the transfers and signings bit) they'd mentioned they had been hearing its all a bit lower league and the players at this level are used to meticulous game planning and approaches which just isnt happening.

The general feedback was they like him and want to work hard for him but he just doesn't really know what he's doing at this level, he'd be more suited to a Luton style approach, unexpected promotion lower level of player playing above themselves.

Please take it with a pinch of salt as I can't say its true for sure, but I thought as you shared I would aswell.

[Gamble92]

33 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

If we'd have binned off Rodgers when we should have I've always said that there was a window of opportunity to approach Emery and it would've been a realistic appointment. I know he turned down Newcastle at some point but our stock at that time was much higher than theirs. This dude is comfortably in the top 5 best managers in the world. 

Instead our gormless board just sat around with their thumbs up their arses whilst we nosedived out of our greatest ever period and regressed back to the mean in the most brutal way possible. 

Now look at us. Arguing over whether or not to sack Steve Cooper FFS. 

I don't think Emery would come here if he had chance to take over the Newcastle project and said no. He has done so well by being a great coach but also doing his due diligence on clubs beforehand. One Google of John Rudkin would put off Mike Bassett from coming here. 

[Happy Fox]

His days are numbered imo, I suspect we will make a change come this international break, fingers crossed.

[volpeazzurro]

It's perhaps a bit of a toss up who gets relieved of their duties first ie our manager or Southampton's?

 

In an ideal world it would be us first in order get a first approach in for a likely successor. However, can anyone actually think of someone really decent who'd be currently available and also likely to come? I can't personally think of one!

[Bilo]

1 minute ago, volpeazzurro said:

It's perhaps a bit of a toss up who gets relieved of their duties first ie our manager or Southampton's?

 

In an ideal world it would be us first in order get a first approach in for a likely successor. However, can anyone actually think of someone really decent who'd be currently available and also likely to come? I can't personally think of one!

@Muzzy_no7

 

Over to you, bud.

[Happy Fox]

10 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

It's perhaps a bit of a toss up who gets relieved of their duties first ie our manager or Southampton's?

 

In an ideal world it would be us first in order get a first approach in for a likely successor. However, can anyone actually think of someone really decent who'd be currently available and also likely to come? I can't personally think of one!

 

I don't suspect it's Potter who will be interested in the Manchester United job if Ten Hag does get sacked. Could see a domino effect, with managerial changes this international break.

Edited 3 October 2024 by Happy Fox