Cooper - OUT

[Heskey2011]

16 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Bouba Soumare redemption arc

Knew it all along, if he can perform vs Barca for Seville, we've been using him wrong.

Edited 4 October 2024 by Heskey2011

[Sunbury Fox]

21 minutes ago, daddylonglegs said:

Intrigued to see who he brings on at 84 mins now that Hamza is out. 

Coady or Soumaré.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

2 hours ago, Bilo said:

I've been wanting to say something like this about my experience in teaching.

 

When I first started as an unqualified teacher looking for a training placement, I got a job in a school that had a very effective HoD. He was strict, organised, had a clear plan and the department was one of the most effective in a very tough school, with results outperforming not only every other department but also similar schools in the local area. The teaching was good, coursework was completed on time and with high levels of scrutiny, teachers were supported with rough classes and classrooms were calm. It seemed an obvious place to start my teaching journey.

 

That teacher was promoted not long after I joined and his replacement hand-picked from the current teaching team. Not the most experienced or even the most competent teacher, but someone that SLT knew would say yes to everything and would like the title of Head of Department.

 

That teacher wasn't just the worst Head of Department I have worked under in 13 years of teaching; they were the worst manager I have ever worked under in nearly 25 years of employment full stop. Disorganised, arrogant, unwilling to listen, unapproachable, unsupportive and essentially turning what was once a close knit and supportive department into one characterised by cliques and division.

 

The results were more or less immediate. The favourites went to the department office, the rest to the staff room. No professional conversations about pedagogy could take place as a result. Behaviour, already a challenge in a tough school, fell off as the favourites knew they'd be supported and everyone else had to fend for themselves or be deemed weak and incapable of controlling a class. The kids spotted the change in dynamic immediately. Where once there was clarity over coursework requirements and deadlines over a cup of coffee, now teachers had to look it up online or enquire with colleagues at other schools for fear of getting their head bitten off for asking the question.

 

At the end of that first year, five teachers left (myself along with an amazingly talented NQT and three experienced teachers,) results fell to the bottom three in the school and an exam board investigation into coursework malpractice was launched. The once thriving department had been completely torpedoed in under a year, and that HoD was 'signed off with stress' before disappearing completely.

 

Did we all become crap teachers overnight or did we suffer because of egregiously bad leadership? I'm a great believer that any team is only as good as its leadership and direction, and I fear for Leicester City's future now as I can see a not dissimilar dynamic panning out at Seagrave.

Sorry to hear all that. Awful. What about Cooper though? 

[Nalis]

51 minutes ago, Heskey2011 said:

Knew it all along, if he can perform vs Barca for Seville, we've been using him wrong.

If he was as good as being claimed, another club would have spotted it by now and bought him even for his wages and what we'd be looking for him.

 

Either that or the rest of the squad is currently so shit that Soumare looks like the next Zidane by comparison.

[Lako42]

1 hour ago, Heskey2011 said:

Knew it all along, if he can perform vs Barca for Seville, we've been using him wrong.

From what i've seen on the pitch it wouldn't be very hard to be the best player in training. 

[Bilo]

44 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

Sorry to hear all that. Awful. What about Cooper though? 

It's allegorical for what appears to be happening at Seagrave.

 

Poor management leading to employees performing below their abilities and expectations. 

[filbertway]

1 hour ago, Heskey2011 said:

Knew it all along, if he can perform vs Barca for Seville, we've been using him wrong.

There's an unfair expectation on Bouba as a midfielder, that he has to run.

[inckley fox]

3 hours ago, Bilo said:

I've been wanting to say something like this about my experience in teaching.

 

When I first started as an unqualified teacher looking for a training placement, I got a job in a school that had a very effective HoD. He was strict, organised, had a clear plan and the department was one of the most effective in a very tough school, with results outperforming not only every other department but also similar schools in the local area. The teaching was good, coursework was completed on time and with high levels of scrutiny, teachers were supported with rough classes and classrooms were calm. It seemed an obvious place to start my teaching journey.

 

That teacher was promoted not long after I joined and his replacement hand-picked from the current teaching team. Not the most experienced or even the most competent teacher, but someone that SLT knew would say yes to everything and would like the title of Head of Department.

 

That teacher wasn't just the worst Head of Department I have worked under in 13 years of teaching; they were the worst manager I have ever worked under in nearly 25 years of employment full stop. Disorganised, arrogant, unwilling to listen, unapproachable, unsupportive and essentially turning what was once a close knit and supportive department into one characterised by cliques and division.

 

The results were more or less immediate. The favourites went to the department office, the rest to the staff room. No professional conversations about pedagogy could take place as a result. Behaviour, already a challenge in a tough school, fell off as the favourites knew they'd be supported and everyone else had to fend for themselves or be deemed weak and incapable of controlling a class. The kids spotted the change in dynamic immediately. Where once there was clarity over coursework requirements and deadlines over a cup of coffee, now teachers had to look it up online or enquire with colleagues at other schools for fear of getting their head bitten off for asking the question.

 

At the end of that first year, five teachers left (myself along with an amazingly talented NQT and three experienced teachers,) results fell to the bottom three in the school and an exam board investigation into coursework malpractice was launched. The once thriving department had been completely torpedoed in under a year, and that HoD was 'signed off with stress' before disappearing completely.

 

Did we all become crap teachers overnight or did we suffer because of egregiously bad leadership? I'm a great believer that any team is only as good as its leadership and direction, and I fear for Leicester City's future now as I can see a not dissimilar dynamic panning out at Seagrave.

I imagine a few of us have seen similar dynamics in the workplace.

 

But the story is interesting, and the analogy relevant, because you have that inside information as to what was happening. Yes, the students were right on this occasion, but in any school there must also be plenty of competent members of staff that the kids and their parents might not be right to doubt. And I'm sure you'll have had difficult groups where you've tried to whip them into line, get the parents on board, and struggled. If you got it right, it may have been years before they looked back and came to thank you.

 

The reason why it's so clear in your story that the appointment was a bad one, rather than a case of a newly-appointed HoS getting a tough time from unenthusiastic colleagues, is that you attest to people who had been flying before this appointment, doing their best to make it work and then, after a year rather than a month or so, it became clear that the switch had backfired.

 

That's not really the case with Cooper: We're like the students in your analogy, rather than those who see what's going on behind the scenes. We weren't flying before the change. We don't know that everyone else is doing their best to make it work. And very little time has passed. I'm not advocating for waiting a full year to see whether the results are a disaster, just as I wouldn't in the workplace, but it would be a poor reflection on a school if they were firing someone based on a few grumbles and an iffy first couple of months on the job. In a good school you'd typically offer support and wait till the end of term at Xmas.

 

When that school did eventually make the right appointment, it would have taken the new HoS time to get things back on track, they'd have ruffled a few feathers, and the extent to which they'd succeeded or failed wouldn't have become clear until a term (or two, or three arguably) had passed.

 

So I'm not sure the analogy indicates that Cooper is akin to the erroneously appointed HoS in a finely-tuned department, nor that he's had the time for us - with our limited knowledge - to be able to confidently say he's the wrong man.

[cropstonfox]

1 hour ago, Bilo said:

It's allegorical for what appears to be happening at Seagrave.

 

Poor management leading to employees performing below their abilities and expectations. 

No ,they are not up to premier league standard.Southampton are having the same awakening.Ipswich look slightly more resilient but are still struggling with the step up.Last season all 3 promoted clubs got relegated.

Blame Cooper or the next manager,

but we will be struggling all season with this set of players.

The players are playing within their abilities.

 

Edited 4 October 2024 by cropstonfox

[CloudFox]

2 minutes ago, cropstonfox said:

No ,they are not up to premier league standard.Southampton are having the same awakening.Ipswich look slightly more resilient but are still struggling with the step up.Last season all 3 promoted clubs got relegated.

Blame Cooper or the next manager,

but we will be struggling all season with this set of players.

The players are playing within their abilities.

 

They're not even playing to the levels they had last season, so I don't believe this is true at all .

 

I'd say it's much more accurate to say they are playing within Cooper's system and coaching.

Edited 4 October 2024 by CloudFox

[Lako42]

5 minutes ago, CloudFox said:

They're not even playing to the levels they had last season, so I don't believe this is true at all .

 

I'd say it's much more accurate to say they are playing within Cooper's system and coaching.

Championship Leicester would give Premier League Leicester a good beating 

[cropstonfox]

2 minutes ago, CloudFox said:

They're not even playing to the levels they had last season, so I don't believe this is true at all .

 

I'd say it's much more accurate to say they are playing within Cooper's system and coaching.

They only just got over the line last season against championship level teams.

Now they are playing against Premier league players they are being found out.

We need to sign five 1st team players in January if we have any expectations  of stopping up.

[Bilo]

6 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

Championship Leicester would give Premier League Leicester a good beating 

I agree there.

 

Cooper's Leicester doesn't put nine past Southampton over two games or beat Bournemouth away.

[winteriscoming]

Don’t want to be ultra negative but even if we win tomorrow that’ll be 1 win in 7. Having already played Fulham, Palace and Everton as well as Bournemouth. Hardly inspiring stuff going forward. 
Oh and not forgetting the impressive win on penalties against Walsall……

[Daggers]

16 hours ago, Bilo said:

I honestly think we had more about us under Dean Smith.

I honestly think the club had more about it under Ian Holloway.

[pmcla26]

3 hours ago, Heskey2011 said:

Knew it all along, if he can perform vs Barca for Seville, we've been using him wrong.

If we used last season's set up I don't think he'd be terrible as one of the 8's. 

[ShepshedFox1884]

Just seen an article speaking about why Steph and Fatawu haven’t played together and it said it was because Cooper brings one winger inside. But why tf does he not do this 

 

                              Hermansen

 

     Faes.                 Ndidi.             Okoli 

  
                Ricardo.            Skipp 

Fats.  Buonannotte.     Mavers Kristiansen

     
                        Vardy/Edouard

 

Surely this would be so much better with having both our best wingers playing, no Justin and ndidi playing a role he actually knew before a year in the championship 

[bovril]

4 hours ago, Heskey2011 said:

Knew it all along, if he can perform vs Barca for Seville, we've been using him wrong.

If Coady says it it must be true 

[Samilktray]

2 minutes ago, bovril said:

If Coady says it it must be true 

I'm sure hes a nice enough lad but the fact we pay him handsomely to be a cheerleader here annoys me

[Bilo]

1 hour ago, Daggers said:

I honestly think the club had more about it under Ian Holloway.

The club at least had some vague notion of listening to the fans, for good or ill, with the Neil Warnock saga.

[winteriscoming]

1 hour ago, Lako42 said:

Championship Leicester would give Premier League Leicester a good beating 

I don’t know about that. Championship Leicester would pass it 50 times between Faes and Vesty and go nowhere. Prem Leicester wouldn’t venture outside their own area till about 60 mins. Either way it’d very boring to watch. 

[Larry_LCFC]

If you could guarantee a loss would be the end of Cooper, I think nearly everyone would sacrifice 3 points tomorrow. Problem is I don't think Cooper's going anywhere, even if we get battered.

 

Our biggest problem is we have such a weak mentality this season. Cooper has turned into a team that goes into every match scared. We are never on the front foot, we are never the ones taking the initiative and we are set up not to lose rather than to win regardless of who we play. That's a massive problem against teams like Everton and Bournemouth where we NEED the 3 points.

 

In a way this season is a free hit with the points deduction we expected and the financial problems - nobody really expected to stay up. We've been given a lifeline and we are just wasting it. It's a horrible way to run a club.

[Jobyfox]

Coop rout!! 

[Samilktray]

21 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

I don’t know about that. Championship Leicester would pass it 50 times between Faes and Vesty and go nowhere. Prem Leicester wouldn’t venture outside their own area till about 60 mins. Either way it’d very boring to watch. 

Championship Leicester would pass it 50 times between Faes and Vesty and go nowhere despite scoring the second most goals last season 


 

[Fox92]

2 hours ago, Lako42 said:

Championship Leicester would give Premier League Leicester a good beating