Cooper - OUT

[lcfcbluearmy]

19 minutes ago, FOXSE said:

Cooper out people,,I it takes 7 points from 9, would you want him to stay?

No, I wouldn't be as desperate for him to leave but I still wouldn't think he was the right person to take us forward. 

 

Having said that if we get 7 points from 9 plus start looking like we actually have a tactical plan that isn't just throw 17 defenders on and his game management improves I would be willing to give him more time

[Dahnsouff]

9 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Last week there were reports that the players were unhappy because Cooper’s management style was too open and collaborative, and that they missed Maresca’s more dictatorial style because they like to have clarity. Now we’re told that Cooper is in fact a dictator who won’t listen to players’ concerns at all. And all the while this is happening the players are showing genuine determination and fight on the pitch. 
 

Wild times.

I am sometimes unsure if something is an insinuation or an implication. Not this time.   

[FOXSE]

Just now, lcfcbluearmy said:

No, I wouldn't be as desperate for him to leave but I still wouldn't think he was the right person to take us forward. 

 

Having said that if we get 7 points from 9 plus start looking like we actually have a tactical plan that isn't just throw 17 defenders on and his game management improves I would be willing to give him more time

Similar for me.... I think he is on the side of staying for me.... but if we lost the next three, and played terribly, then he would have to go for me.

[lcfc sheff]

I think he's started to work out what he perceives as his best starting 11. It annoys me that it doesn't include fatawu and Ricardo but we've got a long season and they will be needed, I'm sure they'll both play their way into the side.

[Beachyboy]

We are nearing 4 years since this team has managed 3 wins in a row in the premiership, Jan 2021. Any sort of scrappy wins if possible in the next 2 games, almost 2 years since back to back wins Feb 2023, should have a more positive outlook on the team. The reason we got relegated was as a leaky defence, I've no issues with us shoring that up initially, when we can go into games knowing 1/2 goals a game will get us points we will have a lot more belief. If we can also combine that with a mini win streak, we may start to see better things from this team.

[Beachyboy]

1 hour ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

There’s no if about it, there’s multiple.

 

Lets whack the list out again, in order.

 

ROGER SCHMIDT

KASPER KJULMAND

SERGIO CONCEICAO

NIKO KOVAC

DAVID MOYES

DIEGO MARTINEZ

Did we interview Moyes? Seems like he would be a steady appointment and he's proved it over 10+ years in the premiership.

[JimJams]

38 minutes ago, FOXSE said:

Cooper out people,,I it takes 7 points from 9, would you want him to stay?

If he gets 7 from the next 9, and moreso if the 2 wins come against Saints and Ipswich, then he'll deserve to stay on regardless.  I think the point most CooperOuts are making is that they don't expect us to get those results.

Keep in mind that would mean 3 wins and a draw from 4 games including yesterday, then even if the football was of a similar ilk then I think you'd have to be pretty stubborn to say it wasn't working given we'd have then won as many as we'd lost with 4 draws in the mix.  But also remember that Wolves aside we'll have played every team below us.  So if he hasn't got those kinds of results, we could well back in the shit.

Frankly beating Saints is a must.  They've scored 4 goals this season.  Not beating them amounts to a criminal offense.  Ipswich is probably more of a 'must not lose' situation, especially if we get points against Forest first.

[whoareyaaa]

24 minutes ago, lcfc sheff said:

I think he's started to work out what he perceives as his best starting 11. It annoys me that it doesn't include fatawu and Ricardo but we've got a long season and they will be needed, I'm sure they'll both play their way into the side.

Would like to see him give Bilal a shot in the role Ayew plays esp against teams we could beat, starting 11 was a little more balanced yesterday but still massive room for improvement 

Edited 6 October 2024 by whoareyaaa

[MGLCFC]

Still seen very little to enthuse me. A decent first half, but the second half was like a siege. Only 1 shot in the second half from Fatawu, which Eduoard managed to head clear. Yes a win is great and the other positive is there does appear to be a willingness to battle in games. However, let's not kid ourselves, yesterday's result could have easily been another defeat. Our defence is not solid, especially from set pieces where we look at 6's and 7's. 3 free kicks across the face of our goal all caused huge problems. Free headers from corners. I'll be surprised if we can continue to be this fortunate or lucky for the rest of the season.

[Claudio Fannieri]

3 hours ago, dave12 said:

I heard from someone reliable that the players are being really vocal about the tactics and setup, well more the lack of both. Also they’re not happy with team selections specifically Ricardo being ostricised, it’s came to a head with Winks, Vardy and a few more asking for a meeting to discuss. Cooper basically said that I run the show and bombed winks out of the team, clearly didn’t have the balls to do it to Vardy as well. 

If true Cooper is playing a dangerous game, truth is as soon as he falls out with Vardy then it will be game over for him. I honestly believe despite the result yesterday he is literally hanging on by his fingernails. I still wouldn’t be shocked if there is a parting of of the ways within the next month, as his position with the squad becomes untenable. 
 

I think the majority of the season the players are playing for the club, fans and personal pride rather than running through a brick wall for him and his staff. 

[Claridge]

3 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

If true Cooper is playing a dangerous game, truth is as soon as he falls out with Vardy then it will be game over for him. I honestly believe despite the result yesterday he is literally hanging on by his fingernails. I still wouldn’t be shocked if there is a parting of of the ways within the next month, as his position with the squad becomes untenable. 
 

I think the majority of the season the players are playing for the club, fans and personal pride rather than running through a brick wall for him and his staff. 

I hope he did tell them to pxxs off,doubt this really happened though, we get the same stories every year. Plus winks has been very poor this season and needed resting/dropping. 

[KP Fox]

Close this Fuchin page down. Stop farken complaining - you bunch of frigging a$$oles!  Can't you see that we are a difficult team to beat? Some of you older cvnts are the same tw@ts that gave Martin O'Neil a hard time when he first started. 

[whetstonefox]

I hope for his sake , and more importantly ours ,

he can grow in confidence which seems a ridiculous thing to say.I had previously thought , without too much research, that he was a progressive coach but that has not been on show so far. If he can get 7 points from the next 3 that buys him time. I am still unsure on the identity he wants this team to have as seems over

reliant on a bit of magic or luck. Unless something goes badly awry he is not going to get the sack. 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, whetstonefox said:

I hope for his sake , and more importantly ours ,

he can grow in confidence which seems a ridiculous thing to say.I had previously thought , without too much research, that he was a progressive coach but that has not been on show so far. If he can get 7 points from the next 3 that buys him time. I am still unsure on the identity he wants this team to have as seems over

reliant on a bit of magic or luck. Unless something goes badly awry he is not going to get the sack. 

Would hope that what we saw first half was the intention moving forward, second half does tend to disprove that, but it (the first half) can serve as the blueprint for him to ingrain in the team moving forwards.

[KP Fox]

1 minute ago, whetstonefox said:

I hope for his sake , and more importantly ours ,

he can grow in confidence which seems a ridiculous thing to say.I had previously thought , without too much research, that he was a progressive coach but that has not been on show so far. If he can get 7 points from the next 3 that buys him time. I am still unsure on the identity he wants this team to have as seems over

reliant on a bit of magic or luck. Unless something goes badly awry he is not going to get the sack. 

This is our identity - we are difficult to beat! If anyone couldn't see from playing Spurs and Arsenal then they are farken blind and know nothing about football! 

[whetstonefox]

1 minute ago, KP Fox said:

This is our identity - we are difficult to beat! If anyone couldn't see from playing Spurs and Arsenal then they are farken blind and know nothing about football! 

ooh calm down it’s Sunday 

[Chrysalis]

8 hours ago, The_Rorab said:

I'm not quite sure why you've fixated on the bit about Rodgers' reign of terror? I was using it as an analogy really, that it was a period where we finished 8th but by both the eye test and the stats we were nowhere near as good as the table would suggest - it was nothing about harking to his playstyle, or an attempt to compare the squads or records. Just that whilst I appreciate we currently aren't in the bottom 3, we're playing like and have the stats of a team who should be.

 

To your point about the last time we were in the Prem, I don't think that's particularly relevant? If you're ranking success as just being better than that rock bottom start to the league, then that's your prerogative I guess. Our start has been better than that horrific show, but that's not exactly a high bar.

 

And no, I wish I was wanting to see some fancy long passing build up play, because at least then I would be confident Cooper had a plan and had attempted to drill any sort of tactics into the team. I like a fancy passing style when it's done well, but I also really liked when we had a fast countering transitional playstyle. It's not about the playstyle, it's about the execution of a playstyle. I just don't know what Cooper wants us to do, because it just looks like he throws players onto the pitch without much of a plan. I'm sure that's not true, but there's times they look bereft of any idea what to do. I'm perfectly happy to have a pragmatic manager in charge as long as that pragmatism actually has some kind of planning and execution.

 

I'll ask you, what tactically is Cooper trying to do in your opinion, and why in basically all of our games are we having long stints where we just cede all forward momentum to the opposition and invite pressure that's yielded a frankly horrific statline of shots against and xG stats? What do you see that's pragmatic about Cooper's approach - despite seeming to set us up and gritty and defensive, I wouldn't exactly call us defensively stable so far. Where do you think Cooper's methods excel for us, and what makes you confident we won't just regress to the mean that our stats and performances display going forward?

I brought it up because of some nonsense about progress 7 games into a reign.

 

Which is it you want to discuss?

[cropstonfox]

50 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

If true Cooper is playing a dangerous game, truth is as soon as he falls out with Vardy then it will be game over for him. I honestly believe despite the result yesterday he is literally hanging on by his fingernails. I still wouldn’t be shocked if there is a parting of of the ways within the next month, as his position with the squad becomes untenable. 
 

I think the majority of the season the players are playing for the club, fans and personal pride rather than running through a brick wall for him and his staff. 

Wishful thinking by Cooper outs.

He will be given a fair length of time.

Winks was dropped due to contributing the least out of the three.

[Bilo]

If he takes 7 from the next 9, and even if he keeps us up, I would still see him as being on borrowed time.

 

The Forest team he was in charge of never really improved and were still in a relegation battle, playing honking football, after he had two full summers and the credit in the bank of taking them from a Championship relegation battle to the Premier League. 

 

In my opinion, his ceiling is scraping survival in this division by squeaking past just enough fellow strugglers to gather just enough points needed to survive. In other words, even if we were to survive this season, we will be in the same mindset we are now in perpetuity. The fans have more ambition than that, so do the players and so, hopefully, does the board. 

[teblin]

Maybe we have to accept a season for just scraping staying up and then we change next summer, he’ll be able to get another job and we will be a more attractive prospect for other managers.

[MGLCFC]

2 minutes ago, teblin said:

Maybe we have to accept a season for just scraping staying up and then we change next summer, he’ll be able to get another job and we will be a more attractive prospect for other managers.

If Cooper manages to keep us up, Top won't replace him. However, tactically I think we are very average. He may prove me wrong, but I can't see our luck being sustained for the duration of the season and I'll be surprised if he does keep us up.

[Muzzy_no7]

2 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

If Cooper manages to keep us up, Top won't replace him. However, tactically I think we are very average. He may prove me wrong, but I can't see our luck being sustained for the duration of the season and I'll be surprised if he does keep us up.

I would too.

 

Now is the time to change it, massive opportunity. 

[bovril]

You can tell it's got bad because people are no longer replying "mate not a good look yeah" when someone posts something about his appearance 

[Wymsey]

1 minute ago, bovril said:

You can tell it's got bad because people are no longer replying "mate not a good look yeah" when someone posts something about his appearance 

Just don't get why people would criticise something on a person which they can't change.

 

A bit irrelevant to this topic, but some are too quick to judge others - particularly on their looks.

[Bilo]

27 minutes ago, bovril said:

You can tell it's got bad because people are no longer replying "mate not a good look yeah" when someone posts something about his appearance 

I couldn't give a shit if he looked like Margot Robbie waving her passion rashers or John Merrick, so long as the football is decent. Which it isn't.