Cooper - OUT

[Pliskin]

31 minutes ago, KP Fox said:

I know we are staying up because our boring football is making us difficult to beat. The fact that teams like Spurs and Arsenal find it difficult to beat us means we're going to stay up. We're unbeaten in 6 out of  9 matches in all competitions. 

Arsenal found it difficult? They could have won 10-4, Mads single handedly kept the score line to a modest one……..

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Arsenal found it difficult? They could have won 10-4, Mads single handedly kept the score line to a modest one……..

Felt that word needs a little emphasis in this rebuttal.

[The whole world smiles]

28 minutes ago, sylofox said:

WOW One win and it seems some numpties on here think he's keeping us up.

 

I could manage us to one win In a season.

 

But even in yesterday's win obvious his tactics as they are won't keep us up.

 

Cooper and Rudkin out bury them both in the same skip.

It's one win and 3 draws. Which is 1 win and 2 draws more than 2 of our relegation rivals have managed.

 

I know for certain fans he is worse than Hitler and sending us down with less points than derby in 08 but the facts just don't support this.

 

The fact is we are 15th and either 5 points or 3 points clear of the sides in the relegation zone. 

[MGLCFC]

36 minutes ago, KP Fox said:

I know we are staying up because our boring football is making us difficult to beat. The fact that teams like Spurs and Arsenal find it difficult to beat us means we're going to stay up. We're unbeaten in 6 out of  9 matches in all competitions. 

With respect, our boring football isn't making us difficult beat, it's the poor quality of finishing by the opposition and an outstanding young keeper that has meant our points tally is probably better than it should be.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, The whole world smiles said:

It's one win and 3 draws. Which is 1 win and 2 draws more than 2 of our relegation rivals have managed.

 

I know for certain fans he is worse than Hitler and sending us down with less points than derby in 08 but the facts just don't support this.

 

The fact is we are 15th and either 5 points or 3 points clear of the sides in the relegation zone. 

Yes but we could be worse off, so he should be sacked for that possibility.

I am not a fan of some of his decisions for sure, but the lack of any semblance of balance in here is mind blowing

[The whole world smiles]

1 minute ago, MGLCFC said:

With respect, our boring football isn't making us difficult beat, it's the poor quality of finishing by the opposition and an outstanding young keeper that has meant our points tally is probably better than it should be.

Not sure I agree most of his best work came in the arsenal game which we got nil points from anyway, I can't remember him making a save yesterday that you wouldn't expect another premier league keeper to make, same with palace, i was away for Everton and spurs was a too long ago to remember.

[The whole world smiles]

6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Yes but we could be worse off, so he should be sacked for that possibility.

I am not a fan of some of his decisions for sure, but the lack of any semblance of balance in here is mind blowing

We actually could be better off too - vardys one on one v spurs, late offside penalty drama v villa, complete robbery of an offside at palace 94th minute deflected goal at arsenal. If he should get the sack for the possibility of us being worse of than we actually are could we make an argument for a new contract based on the possibility of it being better than reality 

 

Tounge firmly in cheek of course but the logic is hilarious.

[KP Fox]

24 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Arsenal found it difficult? They could have won 10-4, Mads single handedly kept the score line to a modest one……..

They were lucky to beat us. Could have 10-4? Lol. They beat us 4-2 and only managed that in added time. 

[KP Fox]

20 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

With respect, our boring football isn't making us difficult beat, it's the poor quality of finishing by the opposition and an outstanding young keeper that has meant our points tally is probably better than it should be.

It's a results business and results are based on goals scored and goals conceded. It's not our fault the the opposition have crap forwards. We are effective with our scoring ratio to chances. We have scored in every single game except Walsall. Why don't you commend the manager for playing Mads? Remember a previous manager got us relegated because he got rid of a world class keeper, then pursued with Ward instead of Iverson and then to rub salt in the wound goes and signs that afore mentioned world class keeper for Celtic! 

[murphy]

48 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

First half against Bournemouth was the best we have been all season, who knows eh? Maybe it’s the start of a beautiful thing. 

That is one way of looking at it.  You seem to be giving Cooper credit for the first half display.  The way I look at it, is that the first half performance shows that we can play in this division but I strongly suspect that the second half retreat was Cooper's tactical instruction, as is his MO.  Stop playing, retreat, defend for a full half at home and make Bournemouth look like Real Madrid.  I just want a manager that will let us play for a whole game, have some belief and some balls.

 

[Mike the Metal Ed]

10 minutes ago, KP Fox said:

It's a results business and results are based on goals scored and goals conceded. It's not our fault the the opposition have crap forwards. We are effective with our scoring ratio to chances. We have scored in every single game except Walsall. Why don't you commend the manager for playing Mads? Remember a previous manager got us relegated because he got rid of a world class keeper, then pursued with Ward instead of Iverson and then to rub salt in the wound goes and signs that afore mentioned world class keeper for Celtic! 

Because you don't compliment someone for remembering in which order to put on their pants and trousers.

Edited 6 October 2024 by Mike the Metal Ed

[Gubbins]

1 hour ago, The_77 said:

Was that when we won 6 of our first 7 league games and had a clear identity that everyone could see?
 

Enzo’s style wasn’t for everyone but let’s not make up stories just because you don’t want to let yourself believe you deserve better than Steve Cooper. 

Yeah we won 6 of 7 against extremely poor opposition playing the most horrifically dull football I've seen us produce in 35 years. You could say we had a clear identity but then I would say that identity is just a utterly meaningless football buzzword. Seriously it means absolutely nothing.

 

What is this story I'm making up. People on here were using the 'not at our best but its a totally new style, takes time to learn' line throughout most of the season it wasn't a good excuse then and it's not now either.

 

I don't particularly rate Cooper. Wel never finish higher than lower midtable with him and his inability to counter Bournemouths 2nd half changes were very concerning. I do find the almost demented hatred and vitriol thrown at him bizarre though. Under him we're at present scrapping out enough points to stay up and occaisionally playing more exciting football than the majority of the horseshoe of doom possession rubbish we've had to watch the previous 3 seasons under rodgers and maresca.

Regardless I fully expect Cooper will be gone within 18 months. Hopefully then this forum will stop being so f*king negative.

[Wolfox]

I’m not posting as much as I have done in previous seasons on this forum for a reason…

 

The ‘hate in’ for Cooper is quite strange and not remotely fair or balanced…. I’m not going to psycho analyse posters as to the reasons why the spout such vitriol, but it may be representative of the modern need to for instant gratification, like needing to pick up your phone or see a like on instagram or this this forum (I suspect I’m spouting sh@t)…. Why aren’t we tearing other teams a new one every game?  I mean, we’ve got a new team and we are bedding in…. I actually go to matches, and it’s not all pretty, but we were set up well yesterday on occasion we played well…. It takes time and patience (things which are in short commodity on this forum)

 

Cooper is not the most thrilling of managers, but he’s competent and given a chance, he may be able to build things and do ok…. Staying up would be a start and I think he has that in his locker 

 

 

The jury’s in though…. It’s quite a depressing read if I’m being honest…. Puts me off

 

And don’t anyone dare say I lack ambition for my club…

[murphy]

1 hour ago, KP Fox said:

Football is a results business not about how many shots we've had against us. And results are got by scoring goals and not conceding too many. We've scored in every game except Walsall this season. Unbeaten in 6 out of 9 games in all competitions is how I know we are going to stay up. 

You can't use 'all competitions' to argue for our chances in The Premier League.  Walsall and Tranmere don't play in The Premier League.

 

The reality is that we have 6 points out of a possible 21. 

[Finnegan]

5 minutes ago, Wolfox said:

I’m not going to psycho analyse posters as to the reasons why the spout such vitriol

 

Can we just get one thing very clear.

 

Making unfunny and hurtful comments about the man's physical appearance is "vitriol."

 

Claiming he isn't good enough to be our manager and wanting him replaced by someone that is of the quality to manage at this level is just a footballing opinion.

 

People are hateful about not just Cooper but pretty much everyone in football at some point or other. But this isn't 146 pages of vitriol, it's 146 pages of frustration that the club thought a man who had a Premier League win percentage of about 20% and an average of 0.91 points per game at this level was the man to replace Enzo Maresca. 

 

[murphy]

52 minutes ago, Wolfox said:

I’m not posting as much as I have done in previous seasons on this forum for a reason…

 

The ‘hate in’ for Cooper is quite strange and not remotely fair or balanced…. I’m not going to psycho analyse posters as to the reasons why the spout such vitriol, but it may be representative of the modern need to for instant gratification, like needing to pick up your phone or see a like on instagram or this this forum (I suspect I’m spouting sh@t)…. Why aren’t we tearing other teams a new one every game?  I mean, we’ve got a new team and we are bedding in…. I actually go to matches, and it’s not all pretty, but we were set up well yesterday on occasion we played well…. It takes time and patience (things which are in short commodity on this forum)

 

Cooper is not the most thrilling of managers, but he’s competent and given a chance, he may be able to build things and do ok…. Staying up would be a start and I think he has that in his locker 

 

 

The jury’s in though…. It’s quite a depressing read if I’m being honest…. Puts me off

 

And don’t anyone dare say I lack ambition for my club…

Ben, it's not hate.  On a personal level, I feel a bit sorry for him.  He's barely got his feet under the table and the pitchforks are out, however, the writing is on the wall.  Cooper's way of deliberately camping the team in our own half and inviting a 45 minute cavalry charge, ceding all momentum, territory and ambition is just anathema to me.  It is craven, timid and deserves to fail. 

 

Edit - This borrowed graphic, copyright @StriderHiryu, demonstrates it much more eloquently than I can:

 

Edited 6 October 2024 by murphy

[sharpylcfc]

1 hour ago, sylofox said:

WOW One win and it seems some numpties on here think he's keeping us up.

 

I could manage us to one win In a season.

 

But even in yesterday's win obvious his tactics as they are won't keep us up.

 

Cooper and Rudkin out bury them both in the same skip.

There's absolutely no chance he's keeping us up. We need to act during the international break sack him and bring someone else in.

[Bilo]

I honestly haven't even seen that many comments about his physical appearance or even citing his time at Forest as a factor in their opposition to his appointment. The former is just personal and nasty nonsense that needs calling out, and the latter would be completely ignored by everyone if we were doing well. Just as nobody cared that we had an ex-Forest player captaining us to the Premier League title. For the record, he seems like a lovely bloke who speaks well and I actually feel a bit for a guy who is clearly out of his depth. If, as I expect, he doesn't last the season with us, I genuinely wish him well and think he would do well in the Championship. 

 

The 'vitriol' is borne out of frustration that he was a poor appointment who is panning out pretty much as those of us who saw it as such feared. The results aren't great, but they still flatter the performances.

 

The team selections are bizarre, the game management is appalling, the tactics show pure fear, the substitutions make no sense and the optimism that should have been drummed up when we swerved a points deduction is all but gone. All of the above would be true if he looked like Bradley Cooper and had the running fox tattooed on his chest.

Edited 6 October 2024 by Bilo

[5waller5]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

Felt that word needs a little emphasis in this rebuttal.

You’re giving me huge Rodger’s relegation Deja vu

[Kp1984]

1 hour ago, iancognito said:

Yep 2. How many shots in total did we have and how many did they have?

 

19 to our 6.

 

We were at home and didn't have a single corner kick. They had 9.

 

If we're being generous, we rode our luck. On another day they bag 3 or 4.

 

We cannot keep just allow our goal to be peppered. Between Palace and Arsenal we allowed over 50 shots at our goal. In a defensive set up that's incredibly poor.

Finally someone puts it in a way the happy clappers will understand 

[Aleksz]

The bloke is just crap.

 

It’s painfully obvious to see how capable the players are at getting the job done, they’re just woefully mismanaged. 

 

We got lucky yesterday, thought Bournemouth were pretty damn crap and most of the other premier league teams would have ended up getting back in the game thanks to Cooper’s mismanagement.

 

Total retreat towards our own goal again, no desire to get the second goal, subs were awful both in choices and timing. 

 

The win is great but it papers over the cracks. Some of you can sit there and think this is going to be the start of something good but it’s most likely not. He’s just not good enough and that will come out in the wash. The sacking is inevitable - it’s just a case of how long he can waste all of our time and keep it at arms length with results that deceive like yesterday. 
 

 

[Wymsey]

Don't think he was the club's first-choice, but had to choose someone with PL experience quite quickly.

[Larry_LCFC]

9 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Don't think he was the club's first-choice, but had to choose someone with PL experience quite quickly.

Shame his only premier league experience was nearly getting forest relegated 🤣 Its laughable 

[shailen]

4 hours ago, jim5000 said:

I mean, what you’re saying, given this started with you saying we haven’t been battered every game is now ‘we should expect to get battered every game, that’s why we sit deep and try to weather the storm’.

 

But that’s just poor tactics. It’s accepting that we are worse than the opposition when that’s not true. There is no reason why we need to leave Vardy isolated up front and just sit back and defend for 90 minutes and hope to nick something.

 

Negative tactics, unless they are exceptionally well drilled, and crucially have a positive outlet, generally don’t work.

 

We were 2x the woodwork and 1x minimal offside decision away from letting in 3 goals yesterday, and against other teams at the bottom, there is no need to play in such a passive and negative way.

 

I also reject the notion that our squad is worse than last years. Deesbury-Hall is the only player of note to have left and I doubt very much that if we still had Kiernon, Cooper would be serving us up swashbuckling attacking football.

Dewsbury Hall, Kelechi, Praet, Albrighton have not really been replaced. You're right that even if we had replaced those players  then we'd still not be playing attacking football, but we're simply not the same team nor have the quality of two or three seasons ago. 

 

I'm not saying we should expect to get battered. I'm saying that we need to be pragmatic and accept we will be 'on paper', second best in the majority of games this season. I get that we all want to see attacking football but we have got results in 4 out of our 7 games this season as a result of it. I actually think the tactics are brave when we have the ball as we commit bodies forward and it has resulted in a lot of games being like a basketball game which it did feel like yesterday and throughout this season. 

[Jimmy]

4 hours ago, The_77 said:

We conducted the last manager search (which really did not seem very expansive) when we were faced with a looming points deduction. The pool of managers who would consider us has now dramatically expanded. 

it wasn't just about that it was also the cost of getting Potter's staff out of Chelsea and possibly his wages that affected that and the cost of getting Corboran and his staff out of WBA as we needed to make sure we didn't breach FFP for last season