Bournemouth (H) 1 - 0 -- Post-Match Thread (5 Oct 24)

[Sol thewall Bamba]

18 minutes ago, mazarron fox said:

Looking like that Top Ten finish gone for a ball of chalk...sominks not right in the Mentality I guess.
I mean Christ an outfit like Leicester stopping us from scoring.ffs !

Coopered !

 

This is from the cherries forum , some on here still think we are huge 

We will always be huge compared to Boscombe.

[The Doctor]

31 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

1-0. There is your stat, and it’s a good one.

 

To be serious, Ayew was good imo, he kept the ball when we were trying to break, stopping Bournemouth from being even more relentless. He was smart, sure he is no Fatawu as a player, but Fatawu has no real smarts, no comparable level of discipline, but yes he is super exciting, he is very engaging on the pitch. I just fear this season that we will need both types.

 

BDCR not so much. 

it's an important stat, I'll give you that, but the point of stats and of analytics is to avoid being reactionary, to avoid basing opinions solely on results. we may be one of the few teams to have scored in every game but the underlying data suggests we're lucky to have done so, creating barely a goals worth of chances a game, behind every other club, and only man city are outperforming their xG by more. our goals against may be suitably lower mid table (15th) but our xGA is one of the two worst in the division, no team is outperforming it's xGA more than us.

 

The problem is that regression to the mean is a merciless bastard. a top quality keeper will outperform their xGA, a top striker will out perform his xG, but unless we're seriously claiming that Hermansen, Buonanotte and 2024 Vardy are elite talents, regression to the mean will hit us hard, and when it does, we'll find our place as a team that would do well to pass 25 points. 

 

Ayew I couldn't disagree more, he was ineffectual at best, a liability at worst, his first instinct is safety, to turn back in, to invite pressure and win a free kick. the simple ball out to Facundo, to Stephy, was on so many times to create counters, and every time it was safety first, get a free kick and slow the game down. it suits Cooper's plan down to the ground, the man is a coward, but it's hideous to watch and rarely if ever will a team be effective doing it. 

[reynard]

1 minute ago, mazarron fox said:

You are talking like an entitled bell 🛎️ e you really need to give your head a wobble ! You dont seem to realize how far we have fallen! You think we can dust off and end up challenging for Europe. Absolutely deluded

Is it deluded to actually want to be entertained at a football match?  Don't think anyone is talking about challenging for Europe.

Sometimes a bit of honesty is a good thing and quite honestly this is like watching the football we played under Megson but with better players.

[Dr The Singh]

3 points were important today.  Lets see if we can build from it and hopefully gain in confidence.

 

However the second half was poor, abit of luck was needed today.

[StriderHiryu]

6 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Love to see the stats that show Reid did well. He lost the ball twice trying to do a silly turn in dangerous positions and didn’t offer the threat going the other way that Fatawu did. 

Yeah that was pointed out in the above video actually! But I think the *team* looked better when he came on, despite his performance. But yes you are right to call him out for being doggo.

 

To be fair, that was probably more because of Fatawu, who pinned some of their players back with his threat.

 

Reid has so far looked like an awful purchase, even if he was free.

 

 

Edited 5 October 2024 by StriderHiryu

[Gubbins]

11 minutes ago, davieG said:

I think I’ve just witnessed the most uninspiring and frustrating LCFC team I’ve ever watched . I’ve seen worst but so were the individual players but this squad of players has enough talent to perform and entertain so much more. 

I personally thought the first half was a good watch and there have been spells in games this season which have been way more entertaining than a lot of the turgid shite offered up last season. 2nd half was not much fun though and whilst I think the vitriolic hatred piled on Cooper here in what has become a depressingly negative forum is way ott his in game management needs to be a lot better. 

[RumbleFox]

[Ashley]

22 minutes ago, mazarron fox said:

Looking like that Top Ten finish gone for a ball of chalk...sominks not right in the Mentality I guess.
I mean Christ an outfit like Leicester stopping us from scoring.ffs !

Coopered !

 

This is from the cherries forum , some on here still think we are huge 

Compared to Bournemouth were massive. 

 

Let's not be arrogant about it but we're head and shoulders above them ffs. 

[AKCJ]

Feel like everyone could easily be categorised as either an 8 out of 10 or a 3 out of 10.

[iancognito]

The honesty flags have gone all spiritual

[Bilo]

5 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Compared to Bournemouth were massive. 

 

Let's not be arrogant about it but we're head and shoulders above them ffs. 

Bournemouth are arguably the smallest club ever to play in the top tier during the Premier League era. At least Luton and the old Wimbledon actually won trophies.

[iancognito]

28 minutes ago, davieG said:

I think I’ve just witnessed the most uninspiring and frustrating LCFC team I’ve ever watched . I’ve seen worst but so were the individual players but this squad of players has enough talent to perform and entertain so much more. 

Playing with the brakes on all season.

 

Winning despite of not because of the selections.

[mazarron fox]

That was as good a watch as what I’m watching now Everton v Newcastle. We really need to lower our expectations for a while we are not prime 2015/16/17 then 

[Foxdiamond]

1 minute ago, Bilo said:

Bournemouth are arguably the smallest club ever to play in the top tier during the Premier League era. At least Luton and the old Wimbledon actually won trophies.

Doesn't have a bearing on today's match or others we have played them

[Dahnsouff]

5 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

it's an important stat, I'll give you that, but the point of stats and of analytics is to avoid being reactionary, to avoid basing opinions solely on results. we may be one of the few teams to have scored in every game but the underlying data suggests we're lucky to have done so, creating barely a goals worth of chances a game, behind every other club, and only man city are outperforming their xG by more. our goals against may be suitably lower mid table (15th) but our xGA is one of the two worst in the division, no team is outperforming it's xGA more than us.

 

The problem is that regression to the mean is a merciless bastard. a top quality keeper will outperform their xGA, a top striker will out perform his xG, but unless we're seriously claiming that Hermansen, Buonanotte and 2024 Vardy are elite talents, regression to the mean will hit us hard, and when it does, we'll find our place as a team that would do well to pass 25 points. 

 

Ayew I couldn't disagree more, he was ineffectual at best, a liability at worst, his first instinct is safety, to turn back in, to invite pressure and win a free kick. the simple ball out to Facundo, to Stephy, was on so many times to create counters, and every time it was safety first, get a free kick and slow the game down. it suits Cooper's plan down to the ground, the man is a coward, but it's hideous to watch and rarely if ever will a team be effective doing it. 

Not going to contest this as it’s largely true. I think Cooper is a bit of a coward, or at least very wary. Just after the first win is on the board, hope now we can relax a bit and be more adventurous. Still disagree on Ayew as selecting the pass to Facundo or Steph risked losing the ball and the game turning into ping pong, exciting but with little control, so the choice to slow it down and lower Bournemouths momentum did not feel a bad choice. Think Cooper prefers a modicum of control, so this type of thing was always likely.

 

Not going to lie, today reiterated quite how far we have fallen.

[Bilo]

Just now, Foxdiamond said:

Doesn't have a bearing on today's match or others we have played them

I never said it did. Just that we are undeniably a far, far bigger club than Bournemouth. 

[Matt]

Thoughts are with those at this difficult time who perma-predict that we're going to get hammered, every week.

 

I guess the narrative will change to "We could have got hammered", we haven't. And equally we've had a chances ourselves to have changed outcomes, likewise, we havn't.

 

Anyway, was abit boring (Although not in comparison to what we've largely seen in the last 7 years and believe me, i'm truly sorry that's my yardstick) and it wasn't pretty but football doesn't need to be pretty, thought we were good, it was ok. 

 

What a player Buonanotte is.

 

Edited 5 October 2024 by Matt

[SheppyFox]

16 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Compared to Bournemouth were massive. 

 

Let's not be arrogant about it but we're head and shoulders above them ffs. 

An outfit like Leicester 😅

[Foxdiamond]

1 minute ago, Bilo said:

I never said it did. Just that we are undeniably a far, far bigger club than Bournemouth. 

All this talk about  size of club is a bit unnecessary as it leads to sort of snobbery imo. All that matters is we are in the same division currently 

[The Quick Brown Fox]

What was their goal disallowed for? 

[Bert]

1 minute ago, The Quick Brown Fox said:

What was their goal disallowed for? 

Offside 

[The Quick Brown Fox]

Just now, Bert said:

Offside 

Ah ok. I didn't see anyone touch it. Thought it had gone straight in. Wondered what had happened. 

[Bert]

Take any win however it comes. Couldn’t have complained if we only got a point. Good first half performance. Solid defensively second. 

[Bert]

1 minute ago, The Quick Brown Fox said:

Ah ok. I didn't see anyone touch it. Thought it had gone straight in. Wondered what had happened. 

I don’t think he did touch it but he was in an offside position and tried to flick it on. 

[ALC Fox]

Three points clear of the relegation zone is a wonderful feeling. I know it's early days but I'm going to enjoy it.

 

They're decent, Bournemouth. If we can take this result into the Forest, Southampton and Ipswich games and pick up 6 or 7 points from those, I'll be absolutely ecstatic.