Cooper - In

[Gazza M]

Let's be frank the players on the whole are barely good enough regardless who the manager is. There is more hunger and fight in the squad than 2 years ago at least.

 

A point a game looks like it will be enough for safety and I think Cooper can steer us there. 

 

He hasn't lost to any of the teams down the bottom yet which is important. We really need to beat Wolves and West Ham at home in December now though. 

 

Edited 2 November 2024 by Gazza M

[grth2004]

13 minutes ago, MrsJohnMurphy said:

Ok Gareth

 

That’s literally my name 🤣

[cruzFOX]

Well we are where we are I guess. Coulda shoulda woulda. Really tough games coming up and we will need to play out of our skins to get a point or we’ll get smashed. I wish we grabbed a few more wins. This season is gonna drain the life out of us but if we survive it will be worth it whether it’s with cooper in or cooper out.

[Kent]

9 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

Let's be frank the players on the whole are barely good enough regardless who the manager is. There is more hunger and fight in the squad than 2 years ago at least.

 

A point a game looks like it will be enough for safety and I think Cooper can steer us there. 

 

He hasn't lost to any of the teams down the bottom yet which is important. We really need to beat Wolves and West Ham at home in December now though. 

 

Yeah today we had basically our championship 11 except for Kris and Buonanotte. We don’t have a great side. They might be good enough to stay up (this year especially) but we’re not gonna be mid table realistically with these players imo.

 

I wasn’t thrilled with the Cooper appointment and I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t last the season. Having said that, if we survive I don’t really care whether it ends up being under him or not, as long as we get there and we’re tracking to do that at the min.

 

I think a lot of fans have an unconscious bias because he’s boring and mainly because he used to manage Forest.

Edited 2 November 2024 by Kent

[grth2004]

1 minute ago, Kent said:

Yeah today we had basically our championship 11 except for Kris and Buonanotte. We don’t have a great side.

 

I wasn’t thrilled with the Cooper appointment and I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t last the season. Having said that, if we survive I don’t really care whether it ends up being under him or not, as long as we get there and we’re tracking to do that at the min.

 

I think a lot of fans have an unconscious bias because he’s boring and mainly because he used to manage Forest.

Exactly, great comments 

It is what it is we’re doing ok and right now I’ll take that rather than being in the bottom 3 

[ForestAreMagic]

From a distance, Cooper looks like he’s improved in a couple of areas since he managed us.  You’re better away than we were, you’re not getting regular thrashings and you seem to have a knack of scoring some late goals.  

[Gazza3]

We have played  4 of the bottom 5 and won only one. It's going to get worse

[HankMarvin]

11 minutes ago, Kent said:

Yeah today we had basically our championship 11 except for Kris and Buonanotte. We don’t have a great side. They might be good enough to stay up (this year especially) but we’re not gonna be mid table realistically with these players imo.

 

I wasn’t thrilled with the Cooper appointment and I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t last the season. Having said that, if we survive I don’t really care whether it ends up being under him or not, as long as we get there and we’re tracking to do that at the min.

 

I think a lot of fans have an unconscious bias because he’s boring and mainly because he used to manage Forest.

Whose fault is that? 
money has been spent but it hasn’t really strengthened the first 11

[JimJams]

3 minutes ago, Gazza3 said:

We have played  4 of the bottom 5 and won only one. It's going to get worse

Whilst this is true, you could also say of the teams above us, up to the European spots, we've only lost one.

And we haven't lost to anyone below us.

[splinterdream]

4 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Whose fault is that? 
money has been spent but it hasn’t really strengthened the first 11

I think we have strengthened but not by much. Facundo is technically better than KDH, but not by much, and doesn't have his strength on the ball, Skipp is strong but but not as technically gifted as KDH in front of goal, VK and Doyle has different qualities but equally as efficient imo. We've added BDCR and Ayew, the first has offered nothing so far, but Ayew has some qualities. Soumare could end up being a valuable player. Okoli could go on to be a good defender, but at present it looks as if he could be benched for the forseable, and we've let Nelson go out on loan. We also have Bilal and Golding who seem one for the future.

We are stronger, but in squad depth rather than quality, a decent manager can use that depth to an advantage, but i dont think we have one

[lcfc-fan1126]

[FrankieADZ]

1 hour ago, Gazza M said:

Let's be frank the players on the whole are barely good enough regardless who the manager is. There is more hunger and fight in the squad than 2 years ago at least.

 

A point a game looks like it will be enough for safety and I think Cooper can steer us there. 

 

He hasn't lost to any of the teams down the bottom yet which is important. We really need to beat Wolves and West Ham at home in December now though. 

 

barely good enough......how do you make that out, like really, look deeper and youll see they kinda of are, 

we might not have lost to any teams at the bottom but the performances dont give you much encouragement do they

[Pliskin]

2 hours ago, slymunn said:

Dominated by a team who had less possession and two shots on target?

The momentum of the game was largely with Ipswich. Yes they didn’t create that many clear cut chances, but the momentum was definitely more with them than us until the red card. 

[foxes_rule1978]

There is still a decent argument to keep cooper, so I see why the thread remains open… my goal was 7 points from these four and it was met… however I feel we can be more fluent and be better, I felt we have had to rely a lot on luck 

[volpeazzurro]

6 hours ago, Kent said:

Yeah today we had basically our championship 11 except for Kris and Buonanotte. We don’t have a great side. They might be good enough to stay up (this year especially) but we’re not gonna be mid table realistically with these players imo.

 

I wasn’t thrilled with the Cooper appointment and I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t last the season. Having said that, if we survive I don’t really care whether it ends up being under him or not, as long as we get there and we’re tracking to do that at the min.

 

I think a lot of fans have an unconscious bias because he’s boring and mainly because he used to manage Forest.

I think the Forest link and excuse is very overplayed, very few people actually give a toss! No animosity against O'Neil or Morgan was there.

[The_77]

Does anyone here honestly believe that Cooper makes the squad better than, or at least as good as, the sum of its parts? That is a simple ask of a manager, no?

 

Or is there that much of a talent gap between us and Nottingham Forest, Ipswich Town, Everton, and Palace?

 

It’s OK to admit we’re not in a desirable position as a club. But us being shit doesn’t mean we have to pretend that Steve Cooper is anywhere near being a decent Premier League manager. 

[Webbo]

It doesn't matter who the manager is, people come here to hate. If Cooper had won every game these people would be hating Rudkin instead. 

There's nothing wrong with fair criticism, it's just the irrational bullsh1t that winds me up.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 minutes ago, Webbo said:

It doesn't matter who the manager is, people come here to hate. If Cooper had won every game these people would be hating Rudkin instead. 

There's nothing wrong with fair criticism, it's just the irrational bullsh1t that winds me up.

What about the criticism of Cooper has been irrational? Do you need some more stats to make it more rational for you?

[Webbo]

Just now, Sol thewall Bamba said:

What about the criticism of Cooper has been irrational? Do you need some more stats to make it more rational for you?

People wanted him sacked at half time in a preseason game, that's pretty irrational. 

 

As for the stats, points won and league position says we're not doing bad. Probably won't be the worst points total ever as was predicted, irrationally,  by many on here.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

14 minutes ago, Webbo said:

People wanted him sacked at half time in a preseason game, that's pretty irrational. 

 

As for the stats, points won and league position says we're not doing bad. Probably won't be the worst points total ever as was predicted, irrationally,  by many on here.

Pre season was 4 months ago. The criticism now is largely warranted and based on a growing base of evidence. We're shit, not improving and have had a very easy start.

[Webbo]

Just now, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Pre season was 4 months ago. The criticism now is largely warranted and based on a growing base of evidence. We're shit, not improving and have had a very easy start.

The Cooper out thread was started a week before the season started. Don't tell me people hadn't made their minds up before a ball had been kicked.

 

We've made a better start than most newly promoted teams for the last few seasons. Did you think we'd be pushing for European qualification or something? 

[justfoxes]

12 hours ago, Kent said:

Yeah today we had basically our championship 11 except for Kris and Buonanotte. We don’t have a great side. They might be good enough to stay up (this year especially) but we’re not gonna be mid table realistically with these players imo.

 

I wasn’t thrilled with the Cooper appointment and I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t last the season. Having said that, if we survive I don’t really care whether it ends up being under him or not, as long as we get there and we’re tracking to do that at the min.

 

I think a lot of fans have an unconscious bias because he’s boring and mainly because he used to manage Forest.

Let’s hope Top can give us a few quid in January to bring in a bit more quality as for Cooper I don’t care if he managed Forest or Cov I just feel with our squad and bunch of players he’s out of his depth, his team choices tactics and set ups just frustrate many fans on here he was a knee jerk appointment as no one would come in as we looked like we were getting a massive points deduction and they didn’t fancy being bargain basement club for most if not all of the season, so just hope if he isn’t up to the job and the board agree they don’t keep him on like they did with Rodgers and basically got us relegated by failing to stop the rot months before !!

[FOXSE]

The problem we have is similar to last season: if Foxes talk were fans of any other club last season, which manager wouldn't they have sacked? Maybe two or three?

 

This season, arteta would be gone. Pep after losing away at Bournemouth: gone. Slot losing at home to forest: gone. Maybe slot survives! Big ange (utter fraud!) Gone. I'm

Probably 15 of the 20 managers would be on the chopping block!

 

I've just gone through the table, I reckon 12 mangers would have a large 'out' thread.....

 

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

45 minutes ago, Webbo said:

The Cooper out thread was started a week before the season started. Don't tell me people hadn't made their minds up before a ball had been kicked.

 

We've made a better start than most newly promoted teams for the last few seasons. Did you think we'd be pushing for European qualification or something? 

No, but I expected us to be posting better than the 94th worst xG out of the top 5 league in Europe, or is that too unreasonable and irrational of me? 

 

Oh and I was hoping not to have faced the most shots on our goal out of anyone in the league by a distance too, I guess that's just me being overly emotional and irrational?

Edited 3 November 2024 by Sol thewall Bamba

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

No, but I expected us to be posting better than the 94th worst xG out of the top 5 league in Europe, or is that too unreasonable and irrational of me? 

So we'll be relegated from the xG league. As long as we're not getting relegated from the real league, I can live with that.