Forest post match 3-1 loss

[dr.o.ball]

3 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said:

There's a lot of negativity and pain on this platform. Which I understand as we just lost to the trees. But I want to be pragmatic and recognise a positive. Yes we made catastrophic defensive errors, yes our final 3rd delivery was woeful. But some of the CM play yesterday to create space and move the ball up the park was really refreshing. And actually looked like football I could get behind. 

 

Just saying!

Great way to vent eh? I thought the quick Woods goal was well taken and taken was the stuffing out of us. And games turn on such passages of play. Maybe we grow into the 2nd half if it stays 1.1?

[foxinsox]

36 minutes ago, suffolk fox said:

He was asked to beat three men because forest tactically got it spot on.  Trebled up on fatawu doubled up on Mavididi.  (a player by the way who looks totally disinterested, he needs a rocket up his backside).  Funnily enough bringing Ricardo back into the side, as most foxestalk wanted made us worse.

Mavididi has always had a mardy face and walk. He had it last season too. I think he is actually very motivated.

 

Forest doubled up on both our wingers to nullify them all night. That must have created a gap somewhere more cental, but we seemed not to have the tactical flexibility to exploit it

[Marshall Cockney Fox]

6 minutes ago, dr.o.ball said:

Great way to vent eh? I thought the quick Woods goal was well taken and taken was the stuffing out of us. And games turn on such passages of play. Maybe we grow into the 2nd half if it stays 1.1?

Absolutely. I felt pretty positive at half time. That goal chopped our legs off. And we then handed them on a plate to Forest. 

[trooky]

50 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Winks was our best player. The 2nd half was absolutely woeful, both Fatawu and Mav were horrible, along with Justin. Those continually calling for Fatawu to start, really shouldn't. He's not yet consistent or good enough to start. I put him in the impact sub category at this stage in his career. Many more performances like the 2nd half last night and teams will take us apart with consummate ease. 

Fatawu is young and  may be inconsistent but he always had at least 2 playing defending him. 

 

He has a very high ceiling and has to start, he's superior in every aspect to Ayew or BDR.

[Richmondfox]

30 minutes ago, Tielemans63 said:

Our defensive structure is a massive issue. We're shipping so many goals and we're lucky we have a brilliant young goalkeeper*. Forest opened us up almost at will last night. 1-6 wouldn't have flattered them. I don't think he has a clue how to set up a side to defend. Even the Bournemouth game was a misnomer, they created so many chances that day. *I should just add, isn't it something like 13 likely goals Mads has prevented this season? That's unsustainable.

 

I've said it since day 1, I don't really care that Cooper is ex-Forest. What bothers me is that he's a Championship manager. He's a Steve Bruce, Neil Warnock-type figure - decent in the second tier, not good enough at the top level.

It feels like his defensive plan is to mop up attacks rather than attempting to stop them higher up the pitch.  We have no bite in midfield since we lost KDH. 

[foxinsox]

1 hour ago, hejammy said:

The squad isnt the best but it's more than capable of staying up. You can pick your strongest 11 but without proper tactics and a game plan you'll struggle still. You could see signs of that in the first half we played some good football. Once Nuno figured us out it was all over due to Coopers lack of ability to change things tactically. 

Yes, first half was pretty good on our part against a well drilled Forest side who were better than us in every position apart from GK. 

 

At half time we changed nothing, while they adapted. That's down to management of in game decisions. The subs were woeful, and from a weak bench.

 

We need someone better than Cooper, but who?

Edited 26 October 2024 by foxinsox

[Paninistickers]

Personally I think we are all over thinking it a bit. We did well first half, it was nip and tuck. Second half they got their noses in front and we fell apart to a physically stronger, well organised team. It's the PL. It happens. 

 

His starting xi has improved tenfold since the opening couple of games. 

 

It's that fcking bench now he needs to replace. I mentioned at start if game that unlike saints away, we were gonna get worse as the game wore on as we had nothing to bring on (Skipp apart - but he's not a game changer) 

 

Ward, BdcR,.Luke Thomas are amongst the worst players in the top two, if not three divisions. Ayew is a game finisher, not changer. Soumare. Jesus wept. 

 

For me normal bench - supposed 'injuries' aside - would be iversen, Abdul, McAteer, Bilal, Ricky, Vesty, Hamza. At least there there's speed, fitness, passing and height. Vastly different to last night. 

 

 

[Supergray22]

10 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said:

There's a lot of negativity and pain on this platform. Which I understand as we just lost to the trees. But I want to be pragmatic and recognise a positive. Yes we made catastrophic defensive errors, yes our final 3rd delivery was woeful. But some of the CM play yesterday to create space and move the ball up the park was really refreshing. And actually looked like football I could get behind. 

 

Just saying!

Yes at times last night especially in the first half we looked much more fluid and sharp in midfield. Those two defensive mistakes cost us dearly. I think we have to concede that Forest were the better team and at present are a notch above us ( even Liverpool suffered a similar fate at home).  I’m no cooper fan and I haven’t agreed with many of the things he has done during his time here but the brief is to avoid relegation. We will be beaten by teams above us but we need to compete and pick up points where we can. It sucks but we just need to learn from it and go again.  

[splinterdream]

3 minutes ago, trooky said:

Fatawu is young and  may be inconsistent but he always had at least 2 playing defending him. 

 

He has a very high ceiling and has to start, he's superior in every aspect to Ayew or BDR.

for some reason he stopped his run to often looking to use his right foot which he had no chance of doing, instead of continuing at pace with his left and coming inside 

[Tielemans63]

7 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

It feels like his defensive plan is to mop up attacks rather than attempting to stop them higher up the pitch.  We have no bite in midfield since we lost KDH. 

Which makes the decision not to play, or even bring on Skipp an odd one.

[Dr The Singh]

Thats was shit.

 

Saying that met some cracking Forest fans, one knew more about Sikh warriors and there greatness in ww1, 2 and the only force that beat the gurkhas and afghans at the same time 

[Vacamion]

 

Ayew came on and lost the ball a few times, created hardly anything and didn't even get any of his usual falling over fouls.  He added not very much at all.

 

As good an impact sub as Fatawu might have been, I'm not sure that starting Ayew over Fatawu is the answer.

 

 

[dr.o.ball]

9 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said:

Absolutely. I felt pretty positive at half time. That goal chopped our legs off. And we then handed them on a plate to Forest. 

Bet we all played in plenty of games where that happens, goal from nowhere, what the F....sort of knocks the confidence right out if you, but then I wasn't a pro so I prob expect more from those who are.

[splinterdream]

3 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Personally I think we are all over thinking it a bit. We did well first half, it was nip and tuck. Second half they got their noses in front and we fell apart to a physically stronger, well organised team. It's the PL. It happens. 

 

His starting xi has improved tenfold since the opening couple of games. 

 

It's that fcking bench now he needs to replace. I mentioned at start if game that unlike saints away, we were gonna get worse as the game wore on as we had nothing to bring on (Skipp apart - but he's not a game changer) 

 

Ward, BdcR,.Luke Thomas are amongst the worst players in the top two, if not three divisions. Ayew is a game finisher, not changer. Soumare. Jesus wept. 

 

For me normal bench - supposed 'injuries' aside - would be iversen, Abdul, McAteer, Bilal, Ricky, Vesty, Hamza. At least there there's speed, fitness, passing and height. Vastly different to last night. 

 

 

i'd rather we had Alves, Golding, McAteer on the bench than Soumare, BDCR, Thomas tbh, like you say, bringing ayew on changes nothing, thats why Cooper has to go 

[Tommy G]

11 minutes ago, trooky said:

Fatawu is young and  may be inconsistent but he always had at least 2 playing defending him. 

 

He has a very high ceiling and has to start, he's superior in every aspect to Ayew or BDR.

Elanga and Hudson Odoi miles ahead of him and Mavididi on last nights showing. Strong, direct, great decision making and balls into the box in good areas. 

[Dr The Singh]

They were just too good for us, a level above.  Thoroughly deserved the victory.  Mads and Fatuwa were aptly marked out of the game and defensively we gave such cheap goals.

 

Ricardo was awful.

 

On the day Cooper couldnt get the best out of them against a confident Forest team.   

 

We move on, lose to Ipswich, there needs to consequences.

[RonnieTodger]

An embarrassing evening in pretty much every department 

[Bordersfox]

Just now, RonnieTodger said:

An embarrassing evening in pretty much every department 

A holistically bad performance in the second half where neither the players, nor manager, come away with any credit.

[funkyrobot]

7 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

They were just too good for us, a level above.  Thoroughly deserved the victory.  Mads and Fatuwa were aptly marked out of the game and defensively we gave such cheap goals.

 

Ricardo was awful.

 

On the day Cooper couldnt get the best out of them against a confident Forest team.   

 

We move on, lose to Ipswich, there needs to consequences.

If Ricardo was awful what do you make of the performance of Justin? Okoli? Faes? Surprised his name gets picked out, particularly when you consider he was given zero minutes before such a big match. Out of the 4 defenders, he certainly wasn’t the worst and arguably was on par with Faes as the best of a bad bunch. 
 

Cooper hasn’t got the best out of this team over 90 minutes against any side we’ve played, never mind a confident Notts Forest team. 

[l444ry]

Easy to say after the event but would like to have seen Cooper retain the three at the back we finished with at Southampton. Seems to me that we are so open with the traditional four we select and defensively have more holes than a colander. Need to get more aggressive as well because we're simply too easy to play against out of possession. Onwards and upwards!

[CosbehFox]

12 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

An embarrassing evening in pretty much every department 

The club fundamentally don’t get the importance of this game 

[Dickov22]

22 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Elanga and Hudson Odoi miles ahead of him and Mavididi on last nights showing. Strong, direct, great decision making and balls into the box in good areas. 

They were both excellent, but were largely 1 v 1 every time they got the ball due our silly ‘inverted full back’ role that we are simply not good enough to play. It left our back 3 too exposed down the wide areas.

Fatawu and Mavididi were very well managed by Forest. Often had 2/3 players surrounding them every time they got the ball. The big positive was Fatawu kept going, he never gives in. I pray he doesn’t get left out next weekend. 

[Dr The Singh]

10 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

If Ricardo was awful what do you make of the performance of Justin? Okoli? Faes? Surprised his name gets picked out, particularly when you consider he was given zero minutes before such a big match. Out of the 4 defenders, he certainly wasn’t the worst and arguably was on par with Faes as the best of a bad bunch. 
 

Cooper hasn’t got the best out of this team over 90 minutes against any side we’ve played, never mind a confident Notts Forest team. 

So was he shit or not.

[Dickov22]

Forest a proper good Premier League side. Good back 4, physicality in midfield, fast, direct wingers and some physicality up front. We are largely a team of midgets and it really showed in the second half. I’ve thought for years now we need more physicality in the team, especially up front. Vardy had a great first half, rolled back the years. How he needs some support around him though when up against big strong centre backs. We just don’t have anyone. 

[jim5000]

12 hours ago, inckley fox said:

Justin needs dropping, and has for ages. A child can see it. It's embarrassingly easy to see.

 

Ricardo and Fatawu were horrendous additions today. Neither have earned the shirt based on that. Maybe the fans who have bemoaned their absence will understand why we've looked for other solutions.

 

I've defended Cooper loads. But I thought he got everything wrong today.

Don’t start blaming Ricardo