Ruud awakening for the Premier League!

[LeePhilpottsBaldSpot]

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

Strong suspicion the delay is now to backroom staff, think Ruud wants a few from United 

Yep I'd imagine that's what it is, plus the usual legal stuff.

 

Didn't all the coaching staff leave with Cooper? Club website only lists three active coaches 
 

Ben Dawson First Team Coach

Andrew Hughes First Team Set Piece Coach

Danny Alcock Goalkeeping Coach

[Nalis]

11 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

 

Van Nistelrooy’s Leicester appointment must have lower-league bosses fuming – he comes with a red flag or two

Picking RVN shows Prem clubs still prefer big names to big achievers in the EFL

Neil Custis, Football writer

 into the Leicester job must have managers further down the leagues tearing their hair out.

This week at the Northwest Football Awards, for example, Dave Challinor of Stockport was named manager of the year ahead of Pep Guardiola.

Now that may be because organisers felt he would probably turn up to get his gong, unlike Guardiola.

Still, two promotions in 2½  years to lift the area’s poor relation from the National League to League One — where they sit fourth — is incredible.

Yet that and a managerial background  at Colwyn Bay, AFC Fylde and Hartlepool would sadly never put him on a Premier League club’s radar.

It never does.

Van Nistelrooy was on that radar at the Foxes in the summer after one season managing at PSV Eindhoven before they went for Steve Cooper.

Now after a further four games as interim Manchester United boss and he is in at the King Power and Cooper is out.

To be fair, Michael Carrick did not do too badly on the back of his three games as caretaker at Old Trafford in 2021.

He racked up two wins and a draw and, by the next October, was manager of Middlesbrough.

 

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Michael Carrick has thrived as Middlesbrough chief after his brief stint as Red Devils' interim bossCredit: Getty

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Big names excite fans and Van Nistelrooy has one, literally.

At PSV, he won the 2023 Dutch Cup and was runner-up in the league  but walked out amid a dispute with the board over  lack of backing in the transfer market — an early red flag.

Emotional Ruud van Nistelrooy given incredible ovation at Old Trafford with Man Utd interim still unclear on his future

After a year out, this summer he became part of a coaching set-up with Erik ten Hag that oversaw the club’s worst-ever start to a Premier League season.

Then came those four games as caretaker.

Coincidentally, the first was a 5-2 Carabao Cup win over Leicester.

Except it was the Foxes’ second team as  Cooper prioritised that  weekend’s relegation six-pointer at Ipswich, which they  drew 1-1.

Van Nistelrooy followed it with a creditable 1-1 draw against Chelsea, a 2-0 victory over PAOK in the Europa League,  then a 3-0 win over — guess who? — Leicester again.

So hardly the most taxing run of games and that draw with Chelsea was an absolute shocker of a game. 

Still, he briefly lifted the club  and the reception he got from the United faithful obviously struck a chord with the Foxes hierarchy watching from the directors’ box.

That love-in was more to do with his 150 goals for the club way back when, rather than any managerial masterpiece.

At a time when image is everything, however, the Dutchman  comes across very well.

 

Just look at how  Lee Carsley was dismissed  as a potential England boss because of how he handled the media glare.

If Van Nistelrooy turned on the charm — like he did in his United press conferences — during his  interview for the Foxes job, you can see why  he got it.

That is not to say the  ex-striker, 48, will not do well —  as he leans on the experience of  working with some greats.

Like the legendary Sir Alex Ferguson, who he gave a volley of abuse to when his boss did not bring him on  in the 2006 League Cup final.
There is clearly a fiery side to the man.

Worryingly for Foxes chiefs, the story goes that it was not just down to  a lack of support from above that saw Van Nistelrooy leave PSV just before the season ended.

Stories in Holland claim  there was  a player revolt behind the scenes...

If all the paperwork is done, his first  game as Foxes gaffer  could be at Brentford on Saturday.

Meanwhile, Challinor, 49, is set to host Brackley in the FA Cup.

It seems if he  wants to manage in the top flight, he will have to get there with Stockport.

This is a classic example of other teams saying teams like us should give lower league managers a chance while not wanting their own team to roll the dice on them 

[Daggers]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

Craig Bellamy 

Keegan

[lcfcbluearmy]

1 hour ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Delays happen and I understand that. 
 

The problem is the news coming out of the club via media sources is that Top wasn’t knee jerk in his decision on Sunday afternoon. Now the club was absolutely right to get rid of Cooper but if we are told they were “monitoring” performance, why were these discussions, issues etc. not ironed out in the two weeks prior. 
 

RVN was unemployed, the club had concerns. We could’ve gone up against Chelsea and fluked a result but at least those discussion would’ve occurred for a situation the seniors were “monitoring”. In fact there should’ve discussions with more than one person. 

 

There is very little defence for the club going into a game tomorrow with an unknown caretaker - very little. Even for the most loyal KP fanboy. This board, this time in the ownership gets criticised because they make decision and fail to proactively protect the club. These things come across as inept, because they are. Worst case scenario always for Leicester and it has been under the ownership of Top.

I Could be wrong but I imagine it's a respect thing. I think it is one thing sounding out someone to see if they are interested whilst you still have a manager in post but it's another altogether to be having in depth discussions and ironing out details before you have even informed the current manager that they are out of a job.

[lanefox]

24 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

Maybe Ruud related? There isn’t a pre match presser 

 

 

 

 

OPA said on WYS Dawson was taking the pre match presser this morning 

[kenny]

25 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

Maybe Ruud related? There isn’t a pre match presser 

 

 

 

 

Look at those dribble marks. Someone is very excited about what is coming in this press conference.

[lcfcbluearmy]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Yep. If it was a knee jerk and we had no one lined up then whatever. Saying it wasn't a knee jerk to try and cover yourself then makes having no one lined up even worse. 

 

We're just poorly run and owned by someone who doesn't really care or have the minerals to do the job even if he did. That's all it boils down to.

It's been less than a week we clearly have RVN lined up denying that feels a bit stupid seeing as all the reports from credible sources sat that it's done.

 

Details take time and we won't have been discussing them whilst Cooper was still I'm the role as that would have been incredibly disrespectful.

 

There have been plenty of mistakes made by this board but I don't think this is one of them. If this is announced by Sunday then that will be a new manager appointed within a week which is an incredibly quick time. I think some people need a bit of patience 

[LeePhilpottsBaldSpot]

13 minutes ago, Nalis said:

This is a classic example of other teams saying teams like us should give lower league managers a chance while not wanting their own team to roll the dice on them 

Especially after we just gave a League One-level manager a chance... 

 

Challinor does seem to be a good manager tbf - but that's the sort of step-up you'd only give somebody with a full summer and pre-season (and even then, probably a Championship team first). Midway through a struggling Prem season you need somebody who has experienced top flight pressure and can command respect from the start.

 

Ruud van Nistelrooy spent 15 years at the very top as a player, 10 years as a coach and now a couple of years as a manager. Even forgetting their careers, winning the Dutch cup and being assistant manager for World Cup semi finalists is better preparation for joining a Premier league team mid-season than winning the Conference and League Two.

Edited 29 November 2024 by LeePhilpottsBaldSpot

[joachim1965]

10 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Keegan

I'd love it.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

8 minutes ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

It's been less than a week we clearly have RVN lined up denying that feels a bit stupid seeing as all the reports from credible sources sat that it's done.

 

Details take time and we won't have been discussing them whilst Cooper was still I'm the role as that would have been incredibly disrespectful.

 

There have been plenty of mistakes made by this board but I don't think this is one of them. If this is announced by Sunday then that will be a new manager appointed within a week which is an incredibly quick time. I think some people need a bit of patience 

We had a two week break before the Chelsea game, if we were "monitoring performances" before Chelsea it stands to reason we'd at least have thought about replacements. Tag those two weeks onto the week that's gone since sacking him, that's a bare minimum of three weeks to approach and appoint an unemployed person. 

[Tuna]

28 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Someone clean the chair ffs 

 thought that was my screen

[lcfcbluearmy]

5 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

We had a two week break before the Chelsea game, if we were "monitoring performances" before Chelsea it stands to reason we'd at least have thought about replacements. Tag those two weeks onto the week that's gone since sacking him, that's a bare minimum of three weeks to approach and appoint an unemployed person. 

Yes but we wouldn't have been speaking in details to the person we were hiring whilst we still had someone in the role that is just incredibly bad practice in whatever world/ business you are in.

 

You can argue that we should have sacked him during the international break and that would be fair but to say that it's taking too long since we sacked him is rediculous 

[st albans fox]

17 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Strong suspicion the delay is now to backroom staff, think Ruud wants a few from United 

why should that delay - would the inability to get one or two backroom staff be a deal breaker?  (As I believe was the case with potter in the summer )

 

i suspect that the prospective coach may ask for a couple of staff that might cost a little to get out of their contracts - and if the club drag their feet about that then what does that say about possible spend in January ??  presumably coaching staff have contacts whereby they can put staff on gardening leave for a few weeks if they leave unless an agreement with new employer is reached.

[Burmesefox]

1 hour ago, VLC86 said:

Eh? Are we appointing someone who can have no material impact on the team? Bizarre statement.

 

We could have had him in on Monday and running training, I’m not talking about just throwing him in an hour before the game.

I didn't say that at all. I said no material impact within 24 hrs. You said "it’s a shame we haven’t told him we need him in place for the weekend." My arguement is that even if arriving on a Friday morning he isnt going to have a materislistic input into anything other than a pep talk for the Brenford game. Even if deal is done today that pep talk will still take place tomorrow. Why would he put his name to managing the side with less than 24 hrs experience of them and potentially ruin the start of his career with us? Sit back and relax.  

Edited 29 November 2024 by Burmesefox

[BenTheFox]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

Pep six league titles, two domestic cups and two European trophies including the European Cup (now Champions League.)

 

Ruud five league titles, albeit two were in the Netherlands. One cup, no European honours. 

 

 

Yeah, Guardiola's playing career is actually underrated because he's been such an incredible manager

[Burmesefox]

Just now, st albans fox said:

why should that delay - would the inability to get one or two backroom staff be a deal breaker?  (As I believe was the case with potter in the summer )

 

i suspect that the prospective coach may ask for a couple of staff that might cost a little to get out of their contracts - and if the club drag their feet about that then what does that say about possible spend in January ??  presumably coaching staff have contacts whereby they can put staff on gardening leave for a few weeks if they leave unless an agreement with new employer is reached.

multiple contracts need agreeing to by coaches, back room staff, agents, directors, and solicitiors. These things don't happen overnight. And yes, all it takes is one unreasonable demand to throw the whole thing up in the air.

[BenTheFox]

43 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Some for the "Didn't Start In 92" crowd. 

 

Kenny Dalglish, six league titles with Liverpool as a player and three as a manager. 

 

George Graham won it with Arsenal as a player and manager. 

 

Howard Kendall won it with Everton as a player and manager. 

 

Maybe the trick is to do it with the same club and then you count. Looking forward to Jamie Vardy leading us to the 2034 Premier League title. 

 

 

 

As players they didn't fall into the legendary category but Brian Clough and Alex Ferguson were also pretty good players themselves. 

[ealingfox]

Seems pretty obvious to me he's seen that we're away at a team that's taken 16 points from 6 home games and is gaming his stats by not taking official charge for that and avoiding an avoidable defeat on his record. Nothing to worry about, you see it fairly regularly.

[Babylon]

16 minutes ago, Tuna said:

 thought that was my screen

[RedSoxUK]

1 minute ago, ealingfox said:

Seems pretty obvious to me he's seen that we're away at a team that's taken 16 points from 6 home games and is gaming his stats by not taking official charge for that and avoiding an avoidable defeat on his record. Nothing to worry about, you see it fairly regularly.

Yeah, that's not it 

[Wymsey]

There might be another outgoing at the club soon..

[Sol thewall Bamba]

10 minutes ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

Yes but we wouldn't have been speaking in details to the person we were hiring whilst we still had someone in the role that is just incredibly bad practice in whatever world/ business you are in.

 

You can argue that we should have sacked him during the international break and that would be fair but to say that it's taking too long since we sacked him is rediculous 

In my opinion bad practice is not having a manager in place for Premier League games. Just like we did in 2023 when we gave two winnable games to caretakers and lost both, then got relegated by 2 points.

 

It's a cut throat game, if appointing a manager an hour after sacking the last one gives us the best chance of staying up that's what we should be doing. We're soft.

[SecretPro]

2 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

There might be another outgoing at the club soon..

DON'T START

[RedSoxUK]

2 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

There might be another outgoing at the club soon..

That was private information Wymsey...

[ThumbsUp]

3 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

There might be another outgoing at the club soon..