Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Foxin_Mad]

11 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

I do think at times we look decent. The problem is we always look like we’ll concede. 

This is the issue, it's more an issue of recruitment. I'm not sure any managers can help defenders who can't defend defend. 

 

I think Okoli looked better, maybe with Ndidi he help protect Faes a bit more. So can only hope he stays fit. We looked quite tight until Ndidi went off. That messed up the shape. 

 

People will say you should adjust but actually a lot of managers don't these days, the club should provide enough quality in key positions which frankly they haven't. 

8 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

I’m still baffled that we paid 20m+ for Skipp when we could have paid the compo for Corberan or any decent manager from abroad. 
Villa got Emery for 5m while we stuck with that ***** Rodgers. Absolutely shocking. 

The director of football is completely out of his depth, no plan no vision, stumbles from one **** up to the next. That's why I'm minded to at least give Rudd the rest if this season,  we are going down unless we employ an absolute miracle worker anyway. If we see signs, glimmers of something to work with we need to back him in the summer to come back up. We can't keep changing managers, particularly if we have no idea who we actually want anyway, which as a club went don't and haven't other than some vague idea of being like man city but with absolute donkeys 

[Foxin_Mad]

2 minutes ago, -sodapop said:

Keep him until the end of the year. Bring in Danny Rohl for the champo

I doubt Rudkin knows who Rohl is, this is the issue we have. If you aren't in Rudders little black book, you ain't working here. 

[cityfanlee23]

Is it time to Röhl the dice?

[HybridFox]

1 hour ago, Corky said:

Some of our football is quite neat. Can see he has suffered for not having Ndidi available. Needs to keep Okoli in now.

 

I know the results are worse but I think we offer a bit more than under Cooper, albeit a very low bar. It won't be enough, though.

I think we're in last chance saloon now even if it is scraping the barrell a bit. There are no additional games, it's solely league business till the end.

 

Both Wilf and Caleb gave a much bigger impression that I thought. You can give him the benefit of doubt with Wilf but the only way to back it up is to play them here on in or we have really thrown the towel in.

 

And there are definitely no free hits anymore. Every game has to be treated as winnable starting next Saturday

Edited 8 February by HybridFox

[LinekersLugs]

I have to say the amount of recruitment experts above throwing names out that in all fairness the majority of fans have never heard of is unbelievable, names that even google struggles to find, it’s not a manager issue we have right now, it’s a recruitment and leadership issue 

 

there is no manager on the planet getting this squad to survive, as for next year the likelihood is we will be clobbered with points deductions or transfer embargo’s so again will need a very experienced manager at that level .. Dyche incoming ? 
 

so let’s accept our relegation with dignity and turn all our anger and focus on those that have destroyed this club over last 3 seasons 

 

TOP and RUDKIN 

[filbertway]

Might have to revisit my "elite mentality" opinion. He seemed well too chuffed about the performance last night

 

Players on the floor gutted and he was going round to them all seemingly happy with how it went.

 

That 2nd half approach wqs awful and if that's the standard he's happy with then he's not the guy for me.

 

First half wasnt great either to be fair, but we at least played with some intent to try and score. Second half it was almost non existent 

[Blue-fox]

For me he has to change the formation, as I don’t think we’re far off it. 3412/5212 
 

Mads

 

Okoli

Coady

Faes

 

Justin/Coulibaly

Soumare

ndidi

Kristiansen

 

BEK

 

Vardy

Daka

 

 

[Eskay]

3 hours ago, LinekersLugs said:

I have to say the amount of recruitment experts above throwing names out that in all fairness the majority of fans have never heard of is unbelievable, names that even google struggles to find, it’s not a manager issue we have right now, it’s a recruitment and leadership issue 

 

there is no manager on the planet getting this squad to survive, as for next year the likelihood is we will be clobbered with points deductions or transfer embargo’s so again will need a very experienced manager at that level .. Dyche incoming ? 
 

so let’s accept our relegation with dignity and turn all our anger and focus on those that have destroyed this club over last 3 seasons 

 

TOP and RUDKIN 

This is my attitude. There's no coach that would sort this shit show out. 

 

I actually like that Ruud isn't moaning and keeping his dignity through what is clearly a shambles that he is having to endure. 

 

Sack. The. Board. 

[l444ry]

Clearly not at fault for Man Utd's fake goal but it's another defeat. Different day, different reasons, same outcome. Nice bloke but simply cannot let this carry on to be honest.

[Claudio Fannieri]

I think the issue we have is that Cooper and RVN are polar opposites in their approach and tactical set up and we actually need someone in the middle. 
 

Cooper was horrific, the football was turgid and we offered zero in the way of any meaningful build up play, style or ambition.. 
 

With Ruud there is a definite style of play and at times we do play some decent stuff, however I am not sure after the summer recruitment and spaffing £40m on players like Edouard, Skipp, Ayew, BDCR, we have been left with a very average squad of players so as soon as we have to sub or lose a player of genuine quality then we are scratching around to replace them with mediocrity and you cannot play that style with mediocre players especially against premier league teams 
 

The reality is last night he had to make changes, Ndidi couldn’t be risked for the entire game, the fact his options are wank are not of Ruud’s making, however some of his decisions are baffling, maybe Skipp as a destroyer would have been a better option than Winks, keeping both BDCR and Ayew on for as long as he did and not giving Monga and Mav an opportunity to run at a tiring back line which were exposed to counter attacks and bringing Woyo on but at left back when he should have come on at RB and given JJ a rest, as Garnacho was the real threat for them. 

Edited 8 February by Claudio Fannieri

[nettle]

3 hours ago, LinekersLugs said:

I have to say the amount of recruitment experts above throwing names out that in all fairness the majority of fans have never heard of is unbelievable, names that even google struggles to find, it’s not a manager issue we have right now, it’s a recruitment and leadership issue 

 

there is no manager on the planet getting this squad to survive, as for next year the likelihood is we will be clobbered with points deductions or transfer embargo’s so again will need a very experienced manager at that level .. Dyche incoming ? 
 

so let’s accept our relegation with dignity and turn all our anger and focus on those that have destroyed this club over last 3 seasons 

 

TOP and RUDKIN 

Do you think Ruud gets it right tactically most games because I don't it's same every week. He's never once tried a back 3 and his substitutions are mostly crap every week as well. You say accept relegation with dignity but the way we are going it won't be very  dignified if we go down without winning another game. 

I just don't think he's up to it unfortunately either motivationally or tactically and that's why I would pull the trigger now.

Edited 8 February by nettle

[winteriscoming]

His in game management and use of subs is dreadful. 
A more experienced manager would imo of picked up at least an extra couple of wins. 

[BKLFox]

24 minutes ago, Blue-fox said:

For me he has to change the formation, as I don’t think we’re far off it. 3412/5212 
 

Mads

 

Okoli

Coady

Faes

 

Justin/Coulibaly

Soumare

ndidi

Kristiansen

 

BEK

 

Vardy

Daka

 

 

He has to do something to protect the back and get bodies in the box so I’d be happy with something along these lines, however, I’d change Daka for FB putting him alongside BEK.

I’m suggesting solely on looking at subs because we can then make changes without changing the shape.
We have players to switch out the WBs with Thomas, Ricardo and 1 of JJ or WC depending on who starts.

Daka for Vardy obviously.

Then it gets a little more interesting for BEK/FB because we don’t have the skill set of them on the bench but we have enough bodies that could support a front 3 in McAteer, Mavadidi & the grandad twins obviously you lose the guile of the other 2 but you replace with confusion and speed for first option or for 2nd option the oaps are used to just fill the space if trying to see a game out?

 

Then, and all depends on league we end up in and who we have to part with we look at specific position, the 2x 8/10 we would need to replace FB for a start, CBs at least 1 but we will have Souttar and Nelson back so?, WB, DMs, CF ??

We also have Fats returning, Alves, Evans, Monga, Braybrooke etc I think as you do this set up is easier to implement with the players we have & to add specialist players into the system, the current formation we are to weak through the centre, exposed at the back and trying to put players in positions they don’t excel in.

 

Kinda lost me way there but to some up yes we need to change shape to be more compact at the back and provide options up front with bodies closer to Vardy 

[Corky]

11 hours ago, orangecity23 said:

Given the exhaustive search for a manager in the summer ended up with Cooper, and the location of where Seagrave is and where Cooper is based, I think our method of searching for managers literally just involves looking out the window for a bit. If that doesn't turn anyone up, just leave the door unlocked and see if anyone wanders in off the street.

And this is a huge problem. Sacking one man is one thing but half the job. To be honest, I don't think this is going to work so a parting of the ways is probably best but who is next? 

 

We are so far behind other clubs.

[SafewayFox]

3 hours ago, LinekersLugs said:

I have to say the amount of recruitment experts above throwing names out that in all fairness the majority of fans have never heard of is unbelievable, names that even google struggles to find, it’s not a manager issue we have right now, it’s a recruitment and leadership issue 

 

there is no manager on the planet getting this squad to survive, as for next year the likelihood is we will be clobbered with points deductions or transfer embargo’s so again will need a very experienced manager at that level .. Dyche incoming ? 
 

so let’s accept our relegation with dignity and turn all our anger and focus on those that have destroyed this club over last 3 seasons 

 

TOP and RUDKIN 

Totally agree.

 

I do think Ruud has been underwhelming at best though.

 

He hasn’t sorted out our defensive issues, he makes some very odd decisions for both how we set up and in game tactics.

 

I just want to see the back of everyone currently connected to the club if being honest, I know that’s not realistic but sums up how I feel about us.

[4dollarsapound]

1 hour ago, SafewayFox said:

Totally agree.

 

I do think Ruud has been underwhelming at best though.

 

He hasn’t sorted out our defensive issues, he makes some very odd decisions for both how we set up and in game tactics.

 

I just want to see the back of everyone currently connected to the club if being honest, I know that’s not realistic but sums up how I feel about us.

The defensive issues also start at midfield. If Winks keeps losing the ball with stupid choices, bad passes, what can you do?

 

Ruud tactics got this squad, players at least 4 or 5 times in very good positions near Onana. Teams like Forest make sure the 3 chances they get, end up being goals. Sloppy play by attackers and sloppy play by some midfield created problems for the defense.

 

Even then, the defense coped with plenty of danger from Garnacho. Pound for pound Ruud was a much better coach than that Portuguese wonderkind. It was 0-1 untill 60th and 1-1 untill tje 92nd minute vs a much much more expensive squad. Just have a look at the manunited forum how embarrassed they are feeling they got played "off the park". The results arent there and quite a few games the team implodes. Thats more on individuals than on tactics. You might argue lets pkay sean dyche tactics. Hint: these days dyche tactics of digging in is a sure way yo have a 15 game winless run. Even teams around Leicester keep playing. Out of a low block but they keep at it.

Edited 8 February by 4dollarsapound

[Sly]

Dog awful performance last night.

 

Truly awful.

 

This is no better than what Cooper provided us with. 

[Richmondfox]

It doesn’t matter who the manager is if they keep playing last nights starting 11 bar Mads, Bilal and possibly Okoli.
 

Same mistakes every week by the same players. 
 

Are the players choosing the tactics or ignoring the orders from Ruud?

 

I find it hard to believe he would want the ball passed around slowly, ignoring players in space for Soumare to blast backwards then instantly call for it again to then give away a simple pass. 

 

Long balls out the back for Ayew to constantly head back where it came from directly to the opposition.  If he we do get an attack going he hogs the ball, slows down and looks to fall over but just loses it when a cross in would work. 

 

Soumare genuinely looked like he needed glasses as he was passing to the opposition in the first half constantly. Winks couldn’t string a short pass and no one around him was moving. 
 

My Ipswich supporting mate was texting me last night, he asked why we don’t bother pressing and stand back, apart from Bilal and also why all our players constantly stop and pass backwards at every chance they get even on a break. 

[filbertway]

10 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

It doesn’t matter who the manager is if they keep playing last nights starting 11 bar Mads, Bilal and possibly Okoli.
 

Same mistakes every week by the same players. 
 

Are the players choosing the tactics or ignoring the orders from Ruud?

 

I find it hard to believe he would want the ball passed around slowly, ignoring players in space for Soumare to blast backwards then instantly call for it again to then give away a simple pass. 

 

Long balls out the back for Ayew to constantly head back where it came from directly to the opposition.  If he we do get an attack going he hogs the ball, slows down and looks to fall over but just loses it when a cross in would work. 

 

Soumare genuinely looked like he needed glasses as he was passing to the opposition in the first half constantly. Winks couldn’t string a short pass and no one around him was moving. 
 

My Ipswich supporting mate was texting me last night, he asked why we don’t bother pressing and stand back, apart from Bilal and also why all our players constantly stop and pass backwards at every chance they get even on a break. 

If the players weren't doing what Ruud wanted he would be dropping them.

[Kinowe Soorie]

I must be in a minority, but I think there are small improvements (Everton aside).

We can’t continuously keep changing managers. We need to get rid of some of the deadwood, and let him bring in his own players in the summer.

[Richmondfox]

5 minutes ago, filbertway said:

If the players weren't doing what Ruud wanted he would be dropping them.

Then it’s even more of a concern, he’s above his ability and all our technical staff are brain dead frauds, 

 

Do we even have analysts showing the mistakes and issues? 
 

 

 
 

 

 

[Richmondfox]

7 minutes ago, Kinowe Soorie said:

I must be in a minority, but I think there are small improvements (Everton aside).

We can’t continuously keep changing managers. We need to get rid of some of the deadwood, and let him bring in his own players in the summer.

We have crap players.  Simple as that.  No urgency, awareness and even less ability.  
 

Mads, Bilal and Fatawu are the only players of value.  Bilal and Mads are surrounded by dross which makes their game even harder. 

[Chelmofox]

9 minutes ago, Kinowe Soorie said:

I must be in a minority, but I think there are small improvements (Everton aside).

We can’t continuously keep changing managers. We need to get rid of some of the deadwood, and let him bring in his own players in the summer.

Results are bad, but i think there are improvements. When you are struggling, it can be 1 step forward 2 steps back.

 

I'm really buoyant with Ndidi returning and we looked so much better with him. I still feel with this setup and Ruud its achievable to stay it. Its a stretch for sure, and i don't think changing the manager is the right thing to do.

[Sly]

I’m kinda hoping he walks away today, now he’s had his moment at Old Trafford.

 

He’s not been backed.

The squad is a mess.

He played Danny Ward. 
We’ve been battered in pivotal games. 

[coolhandfox]

3 hours ago, filbertway said:

Might have to revisit my "elite mentality" opinion. He seemed well too chuffed about the performance last night

 

Players on the floor gutted and he was going round to them all seemingly happy with how it went.

 

That 2nd half approach wqs awful and if that's the standard he's happy with then he's not the guy for me.

 

First half wasnt great either to be fair, but we at least played with some intent to try and score. Second half it was almost non existent 

Can't keep battering the players, he's got to try and encourage them.