Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[SafewayFox]

14 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

But conversely looked a million times fitter and more professional than Martins Southampton the guy who apparently tops the Kpfc shortlist 

Not sure I can comment on Southampton’s fitness as don’t watch them every week.

 

Not saying that I want Martin but anyone defending Ruud seem to gloss over the unwanted records that he’s broken 🙄

[JimJams]

6 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

You forgot Sousa and Sven

Rudkin wasn't DoF when they were appointed.

[jamfox]

Yeah, I get you. I just think the pressure cooker of the expectations of fans is not helpful. Personally, I look back and feel I thought the squad was better than it was.  Its not just Leicester Southampton should have stuck with Martin.

Edited 5 May 2025 by jamfox

[Chelmofox]

The issue is that i think the general leadership around the club had bought into the fact that the players we still had from the last relegation were involved in a freak event and should have been too good to be relegated that time, and therefore had a good shot at staying up this time.  A lot of this hope would have been levelled at the defense, namly JJ, Riccy, Thomas, Faes as well as Viktor / Bouba (not a defender!) who both did well on loan, and Ndidi who in their eyes is still likely the player he was a few years ago. Then add in 'established' PL talent like Winks, Coady, Ayew, Bobby and Skipp, and a striker looking to have one last laugh in the PL, then i think they went into this season thinking this was all good enough.  Cooper was culpable to some of the poor decisions, but i think the boardroom and football decision makers need a rocket up their backside being culpable for all that, especially with the wages on offer.  I don't think there are many managers out their who were getting a tune out of our lot.

 

I think Ruud came in with a similar story to Enzo in terms of playing philosophy, which has obviously got Top all giddy.   Maybe Ruud didn't do his own due diligence, or he was lied to (which means he didn't do his own due diligence), or maybe the initial discussions were entwined for longer term rebuilding? Who knows. But part of Ruud being here seems to be identifying issues with attitude and professionalism, and we come out the other side with a few players clearly on the naughty step. Is this part of a plan or just a coincidence? 

 

If Ruud identifies that he needs a team, needs time in the lower league himself, can take part in that rebuild and continues to develop academy players, then maybe this is the least worst option right now. An x year plan for our academy lads to be ready for a PL campaign puts us in a better position that buying more Winks & Coady's.

  

Edited 5 May 2025 by Chelmofox

[Foxin_Mad]

3 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

Not sure I can comment on Southampton’s fitness as don’t watch them every week.

 

Not saying that I want Martin but anyone defending Ruud seem to gloss over the unwanted records that he’s broken 🙄

Well we beat them at a canter really suggests we are better, also during the break in play their players stood ours did some fitness stuff which I think paid off as we scored afterwards. 
 

He’s broken unwanted records yes, but given the tools and conditions he’s had to work with, no window, no staff, obviously he agreed to this but it’s poor. 
 

Martin is very much someone the club like the look of, they have been long term admirers of thi style and Poundland Brendan vibes. 

[Foxin_Mad]

14 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Rudkin wasn't DoF when they were appointed.

No he wasn’t but it shows the KPFC way of wanting ‘total football’ since day one. Really whoever brought Pearson back did the best thing. 

[JimmyC74]

16 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

The issue is that i think the general leadership around the club had bought into the fact that the players we still had from the last relegation were involved in a freak event and should have been too good to be relegated that time, and therefore had a good shot at staying up this time.  A lot of this hope would have been levelled at the defense, namly JJ, Riccy, Thomas, Faes as well as Viktor / Bouba (not a defender!) who both did well on loan, and Ndidi who in their eyes is still likely the player he was a few years ago. Then add in 'established' PL talent like Winks, Coady, Ayew, Bobby and Skipp, and a striker looking to have one last laugh in the PL, then i think they went into this season thinking this was all good enough.  Cooper was culpable to some of the poor decisions, but i think the boardroom and football decision makers need a rocket up their backside being culpable for all that, especially with the wages on offer.  I don't think there are many managers out their who were getting a tune out of our lot.

 

I think Ruud came in with a similar story to Enzo in terms of playing philosophy, which has obviously got Top all giddy.   Maybe Ruud didn't do his own due diligence, or he was lied to (which means he didn't do his own due diligence), or maybe the initial discussions were entwined for longer term rebuilding? Who knows. But part of Ruud being here seems to be identifying issues with attitude and professionalism, and we come out the other side with a few players clearly on the naughty step. Is this part of a plan or just a coincidence? 

 

If Ruud identifies that he needs a team, needs time in the lower league himself, can take part in that rebuild and continues to develop academy players, then maybe this is the least worst option right now. An x year plan for our academy lads to be ready for a PL campaign puts us in a better position that buying more Winks & Coady's.

  

Agree with your assessment about the overconfidence of Top and Rudders (re squad depth, quality, prospects for this season), trouble is they look likely to remain the decision makers for another rebuild and if RVN stays, what is likely to change? 

Edited 5 May 2025 by JimmyC74

[Clever Fox]

25 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

No he wasn’t but it shows the KPFC way of wanting ‘total football’ since day one. Really whoever brought Pearson back did the best thing. 

It was the former Chairman when KP took over I believe.

He went to Vichai suggesting he was too hasty in Sacking Pearson over the away trip to Thailand.

Vichai met with Pearson and they agreed they were both hasty in their actions and agreed to give it another go.

The rest is history as they say.

[Edingleyfox]

One win against a poor Southampton team and Ruud seems that he could possibly be back in for another season. Looking at it from the clubs perspective, if he is sacked then someone maybe several people might have to take responsibility for another disappointing appointment. However if RVN is given the benefit of the doubt some people are suggesting the club might just do OK anyway. So no need for a reset at any level?. If this happens it is the sort of complacency that seemed to creep in when Leicester were last relegated with a much stronger squad thought too good to go down. 

[Lad1966]

On 03/05/2025 at 19:40, StanSP said:

I'm surprised they kept it as a goal and didn't actually disallow it. 

 

2 hours ago, JimmyC74 said:

My issue with retaining RVN is - accepting that he hasn't had his own backroom staff from Day 1 + didn't get supported in January - he hasn't been able to positively impact the performance of the team, its organisation / defensive structure, he has rigidly stuck with underperforming players rather than giving youngsters an opportunity.  

 

So I just don't see that he has learnt lessons or is implementing (even small) improvements which gives me encouragement for an upturn in results.

 

Listening to the WYS podcast today Rob Tanner hinted that RVN may stick around, maybe because of finances and PSR impacts of getting rid of 2x managers in a financial period, maybe because Top and Rudders think we need stability.  I think the decision to stick would be very risky, given the extended run of poor results, a large percentage of fans aren't having him and I think that gets worse if he fails to hit the ground running next season and the managerial options then maybe even worse. 

 

1 hour ago, HankMarvin said:

Normally when a manager comes in and sees a squad unfit. There is an uptick in performances related to them getting fit. He has had half a season and been utter dogshit

To me, that the problem. You would expect to see a uplift in fitness, if he’s seen this as a major issue, but we haven’t seen that and we have to ask if that’s do to the players attitude or the manager and I can’t tell which it is, probably both!

 

[accessory]

9 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

It was the former Chairman when KP took over I believe.

He went to Vichai suggesting he was too hasty in Sacking Pearson over the away trip to Thailand.

Vichai met with Pearson and they agreed they were both hasty in their actions and agreed to give it another go.

The rest is history as they say.

Mandaric had moved on to Sheffield Wednesday long before then.

 

It would have been far easier for him to take Pearson back there than to suggest that he moved back to Leicester.

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, Chelmofox said:

The issue is that i think the general leadership around the club had bought into the fact that the players we still had from the last relegation were involved in a freak event and should have been too good to be relegated that time, and therefore had a good shot at staying up this time.  A lot of this hope would have been levelled at the defense, namly JJ, Riccy, Thomas, Faes as well as Viktor / Bouba (not a defender!) who both did well on loan, and Ndidi who in their eyes is still likely the player he was a few years ago. Then add in 'established' PL talent like Winks, Coady, Ayew, Bobby and Skipp, and a striker looking to have one last laugh in the PL, then i think they went into this season thinking this was all good enough.  Cooper was culpable to some of the poor decisions, but i think the boardroom and football decision makers need a rocket up their backside being culpable for all that, especially with the wages on offer.  I don't think there are many managers out their who were getting a tune out of our lot.

 

I think Ruud came in with a similar story to Enzo in terms of playing philosophy, which has obviously got Top all giddy.   Maybe Ruud didn't do his own due diligence, or he was lied to (which means he didn't do his own due diligence), or maybe the initial discussions were entwined for longer term rebuilding? Who knows. But part of Ruud being here seems to be identifying issues with attitude and professionalism, and we come out the other side with a few players clearly on the naughty step. Is this part of a plan or just a coincidence? 

 

If Ruud identifies that he needs a team, needs time in the lower league himself, can take part in that rebuild and continues to develop academy players, then maybe this is the least worst option right now. An x year plan for our academy lads to be ready for a PL campaign puts us in a better position that buying more Winks & Coady's.

  

The only way he comes out of this season with any hope, is to get a few results at the end of the season with young players playing. Backing up his point about players pressing etc.

 

But it seems like an easy excuse, to save face when you have one of the managerial worst records at a club. 
Then you factor in the risk of giving a manager likely to be sacked the new players that he craves, then they don’t fit what the next manager wants 

[Edingleyfox]

I haven’t seen any evidence in the last 5 months that Ruud really trusts the younger players with the exception of Bilal. In fact it has been quite the opposite IMO and some players such as Facundo have lost confidence after criticism. Nice to hear a new philosophy but how much substance is there when the young players like Golding come on well into injury time. 

[Gubbins]

2 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

 

Ok so do you trust the muppets in charge to bring in a better manager, say Martin who they love, you saw the state of that Southampton team right? Even more dog shit than us, that’s the next guy THEY want! 

Leaving aside the fact that Martin as bad as he is, is still better than RvN and that its not guaranteed hel be the replacement, this idea that if we cant change our shit board we should stick with the worst manager in our history is clearly mental.

[Dames]

Just now, Gubbins said:

Leaving aside the fact that Martin as bad as he is, is still better than RvN and that its not guaranteed hel be the replacement, this idea that if we cant change our shit board we should stick with the worst manager in our history is clearly mental.

Martin will relegate us next season if we appoint him. 

[whoareyaaa]

I think top will keep him in charge

[moore_94]

Definitely going to end up staying isn’t he?

 

ffs

 

We have to be one of the only clubs where multiple people can be genuinely horrendous at their jobs and they still get to stay

Edited 5 May 2025 by moore_94

[fox_favourite]

1 minute ago, moore_94 said:

Definitely going to end up staying isn’t he?

 

ffs

It will be a disaster if he does. Carrying the negativity into next season. 

Edited 5 May 2025 by fox_favourite

[Gubbins]

37 minutes ago, Dames said:

Martin will relegate us next season if we appoint him. 

Well if we keep hold of the manager who is objectively worse than Martin what dyou think will happen? And il say again it's not guaranteed we appoint him.

[SemperEadem]

35 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

It will be a disaster if he does. Carrying the negativity into next season. 

Yeah this will be the hangover we didn't have before.

[Dames]

33 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Definitely going to end up staying isn’t he?

 

ffs

 

We have to be one of the only clubs where multiple people can be genuinely horrendous at their jobs and they still get to stay

I’m going to stick my neck on the line here and say its actually very hard to level much blame at RvNs feet. Yes he hasn’t made the best tactical decisions at times but this isn’t his team really? He was brought in on the back of 2/3 years of incredibly bad transfer strategy. Theres only so much you can do when the club has hamstrung its finances by offering huge deals to Vestergaard and Coady as well as all of the other muck.

 

If anything he’s now best placed to say where its gone wrong and where to improve, if we have a bad summer then a poor start to the season then get rid but as far as it stands we have bigger issues than the manager. 

[Dames]

4 minutes ago, Gubbins said:

Well if we keep hold of the manager who is objectively worse than Martin what dyou think will happen? And il say again it's not guaranteed we appoint him.

He is not worse than Martin I can promise you. 

[honeybradger]

2 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

The issue is that i think the general leadership around the club had bought into the fact that the players we still had from the last relegation were involved in a freak event and should have been too good to be relegated that time, and therefore had a good shot at staying up this time.  A lot of this hope would have been levelled at the defense, namly JJ, Riccy, Thomas, Faes as well as Viktor / Bouba (not a defender!) who both did well on loan, and Ndidi who in their eyes is still likely the player he was a few years ago. Then add in 'established' PL talent like Winks, Coady, Ayew, Bobby and Skipp, and a striker looking to have one last laugh in the PL, then i think they went into this season thinking this was all good enough.  Cooper was culpable to some of the poor decisions, but i think the boardroom and football decision makers need a rocket up their backside being culpable for all that, especially with the wages on offer.  I don't think there are many managers out their who were getting a tune out of our lot.

 

I think Ruud came in with a similar story to Enzo in terms of playing philosophy, which has obviously got Top all giddy.   Maybe Ruud didn't do his own due diligence, or he was lied to (which means he didn't do his own due diligence), or maybe the initial discussions were entwined for longer term rebuilding? Who knows. But part of Ruud being here seems to be identifying issues with attitude and professionalism, and we come out the other side with a few players clearly on the naughty step. Is this part of a plan or just a coincidence? 

 

If Ruud identifies that he needs a team, needs time in the lower league himself, can take part in that rebuild and continues to develop academy players, then maybe this is the least worst option right now. An x year plan for our academy lads to be ready for a PL campaign puts us in a better position that buying more Winks & Coady's.

  

I read this and I agree on some level.

 

Then I remember that he started Bobby Reid and Ayew most weeks and has continuously played Faes and it's hard to not think that Ruud just spouts hot air and if he stays he won't do the clear out we so desperately need.

[Dmitry]

What you describe as a shameful failure I see as a tradition in the making: the absolute worst manager in the PL is about to become the even worse manager in the Championship.

[splinterdream]

If we know we'll have little to no money to make signings, or the plan is to go through some sort of reset where we're just clearing out with little coming in, the club may see it as pointless getting a new manager in who will want to bring his own players in. It could be we don't make a decision untill nearer the start of the season.