Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[The Doctor]

13 minutes ago, Tom12345 said:

I would agree with you.

 

And it is hard to argue against it really. We can’t really do worst than the results under RVN.

it's pretty easy to argue against: Everton away is the only game you'd look at and say maybe Cooper would have got something, but it's worth remembering that he'd lost the players and performances were in the toilet when he was finally sacked. For me, we don't beat west ham or come back v Brighton under Cooper, we still lose at Newcastle, still end up playing Ward v Wolves and throwing that game, still lose the following 5 league games given Coopers sole tactic was hope Hermansen is possessed by the spirit of Lev Yashin. Decent chance we'd have beaten spurs given their injury issues but then Everton were the same position in the home game and we barely threatened them. Honestly with Cooper there's a reasonable chance we'd be on 14 points now.

[suffolk fox]

2 hours ago, wardyfox86 said:

Who we gonna drag into it? Wolves??

 

No chance, they have the entirety of the bottom half of the League coming up, the bottom 3 are set. The 3 that come up will also be woefully short, the league is becoming a 17 team closed shop with some wildcards.

This, unfortunately is the truth.  Look at the top of the Championship this season.  Three teams that got beat on a regular basis last season, bar Luton, are at the top of the Championship this.  Leeds, who themselves must be sailing close to breaching psr.  Sheff Utd a team last season were getting pumped regularly 4 and 5 in the premiership and of course Burnley.  Burnley, a team that has a brilliant defence but can't score goals.

 

Premier league is becoming a closed shop because of psr which quite frankly, needs binning off.

[Happy Fox]

We need an experienced manager:

 

Jorge Sampaoli

Walter Mazzarri

 

We cannot go down the inexperienced manager route again not if we want to stay up. We still have time to save our bacon.

 

[suffolk fox]

1 minute ago, Happy Fox said:

We need an experienced manager:

 

Jorge Sampaoli

Walter Mazzarri

 

We cannot go down the inexperienced manager route again not if we want to stay up. We still have time to save our bacon.

 

Unfortunately, no manager would keep our current players in the premier league.  We could have prime Pep, Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho and none would be able to keep our crop up.  We are going down we will be gone by April.

[Deeg67]

Meanwhile Everton co-lead the PL in points since Moyes took over. It matters, this manager thing.

[Pliskin]

27 minutes ago, dannythefox said:

Why would you ever have him. That’s just a massive gamble we can’t keep doing that just ends up being a waste of money. 

Enzo?

[Corky]

The last five games of the glorious, much missed Cooper reign were a 3-1 derby defeat, a 5-2 cup loss, a 1-1 draw with a ten man team who hadn't yet won a game, a 3-0 defeat and a 2-1 loss where our only serious effort was a 95th minute penalty.

 

They have both had 12 games and a difference of three points collected. Both won 2 league games.

 

We have been utterly hopeless all season. Both coaches have delivered nothing in the form of entertainment or results.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

2 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Every week, I see the usual from three and just think, if only somehow we can bum our way to 65 mins and be in the game, we have the better players off the bench to win this. 

 

Yesterday at 70 mins, the game was there for the taking. Some tactical tweaks to bring on a three combo of Daka, Stephy, Facu, Winks or even Skipp....we could've asked real questions of Arsenal. 

 

 

Does he make any tactical tweaks? I've seen very few in any games. That's almost his biggest failing. 

[The Guvnor]

3 hours ago, Fox85 said:

Nah.

 

Pep or Artetta or Ancollotti or conte, or any top class manager couldn't keep this team up.

 

The recruitment has been that bad we have got a worse team than in the championship last season. Mainly due to injuries as well.

 

It's not the manager it's the recruitment 

This.

With no additional improvements in the squad since he joined Ruud has been hung out to dry!!!

[dannythefox]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

Enzo?

What about him? We got very lucky there. We can’t afford to gamble again. The club needs some stability, Lee Carsley is no better than Cooper with Dyche we no what sort of manager we’re getting who is a good fit for us in the championship.

[purpleronnie]

Not sure any manager can suddenly make this team full of goals.

[winteriscoming]

I get the argument that RVN has been hung out to dry with lack of recruitment but it’s baffling that Okoli hasn’t played more. Clearly our best cb option. I know that’s not saying a lot. Coulibaly looks better than Justin. The dad’s army front 3 is embarrassing when Mavidi and Bounatte should be starting. 
His obsession with pl experience players is shocking and his lack of getting subs on earlier in games is questionable at the very least. 
9 defeats in the last 10 games but he’ll still persist with the same formation when we should at least try 3-5-2. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

2 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

I get the argument that RVN has been hung out to dry with lack of recruitment but it’s baffling that Okoli hasn’t played more. Clearly our best cb option. I know that’s not saying a lot. Coulibaly looks better than Justin. The dad’s army front 3 is embarrassing when Mavidi and Bounatte should be starting. 
His obsession with pl experience players is shocking and his lack of getting subs on earlier in games is questionable at the very least. 
9 defeats in the last 10 games but he’ll still persist with the same formation when we should at least try 3-5-2. 

It's great to read someone with rationale thought. 

 

Rather than this imbecile of a manager who keeps doing the same thing but expecting different results. 

 

 

[SafewayFox]

I was tricked into thinking RVN is an upgrade in every way over Cooper.

 

When the stark reality is that they both were awful appointments.

 

If Top keeps him on when the inevitable happens (relegation) then I think I’m done with this circus of ownership and my already dwindled interest will be almost non existent.

 

I never thought that I’d feel that way but football in general really winds me up recently.

[em9999]

Replaced a bad manager with another bad manager

 

That isn't progress 

[sm1]

1 hour ago, Deeg67 said:

Meanwhile Everton co-lead the PL in points since Moyes took over. It matters, this manager thing.

Absolutely. All this talk of no manager keeping us up is rubbish. Dyche 17pts in 18 games, scoring 15goals. Moyes same players, same team, 13pts in 7 games, scoring 12goals. We probably only need 32/33pts to beat relegation, a competent manager could've achieved that.

[Foxin_Mad]

I think the manager has been dealt a very bad hand. It’s easy for the fans to talk about formation changes and bringing in even worse players from the bench but the facts remain he had no backing, none of his own players. I don’t think you can say the players weren’t trying yesterday, they were behind the manager just falling short in quality that is not the manager’s fault in anyway. 
 

The players on the bench are not going to solve anything, even in a magic formation the fans come up with, many have been benched by successive managers for a reason, they are also shit.

 

I think given time and the right backing Rudd would make a decent side, playing entertaining football. I’m not sure who else comes in a works in this shit show and does better if I’m honest. 

[Foxin_Mad]

4 minutes ago, sm1 said:

Absolutely. All this talk of no manager keeping us up is rubbish. Dyche 17pts in 18 games, scoring 15goals. Moyes same players, same team, 13pts in 7 games, scoring 12goals. We probably only need 32/33pts to beat relegation, a competent manager could've achieved that.

No manager on earth is teaching Faes to defend that is all…

[Tuna]

26 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

Not sure any manager can suddenly make this team full of goals.

Funny isn't it? We had plenty of goals earlier in the season!

[Chelmofox]

55 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

Does he make any tactical tweaks? I've seen very few in any games. That's almost his biggest failing. 

The defensive line has been changing gradually game on game. Against Arsenal it was very high.

 

I felt we played the offside trap very well in both games and deserved a draw in each. I would argue our defence has been a lot more organised in the last 2 games and that this has led to overall better games from us. 

[Foxin_Mad]

7 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Funny isn't it? We had plenty of goals earlier in the season!

We also conceded a lot and still lost. The basic concept of football is being able to keep a clean sheet we simply do not have the players for that.

 

He brings in the so called attacking marvels from the bench, who are all shit, have all been on the bench under multiple managers. True to form the magical Stephy does a run with a crap step over, loses it, stands there looks, jogs back, Arsenal score. These players NONE of them are the answer, NONE of them are good enough. 

Edited 16 February by Foxin_Mad

[Muzzy_no7]

He isn’t the man to save us.

 

He won’t be the man to rebuild us in the Championship. 
 

He isn’t the right guy for us.

 

No point dragging it out but this board have absolutely no clue whatsoever.

 

Dyche and his men IN, plz. 

[Richmondfox]

2 hours ago, The Doctor said:

it's pretty easy to argue against: Everton away is the only game you'd look at and say maybe Cooper would have got something, but it's worth remembering that he'd lost the players and performances were in the toilet when he was finally sacked. For me, we don't beat west ham or come back v Brighton under Cooper, we still lose at Newcastle, still end up playing Ward v Wolves and throwing that game, still lose the following 5 league games given Coopers sole tactic was hope Hermansen is possessed by the spirit of Lev Yashin. Decent chance we'd have beaten spurs given their injury issues but then Everton were the same position in the home game and we barely threatened them. Honestly with Cooper there's a reasonable chance we'd be on 14 points now.

No manager can account for or even expect a midfielder, who is pretty well built, to duck out of the way of a simple header and let the attacker get in front of him so easily. That set the tone for the game and showed the lack of fight, awareness and ability this team have. 
 

Now we aren’t under sustained attack for 85 mins, hoping Mads saves and the cbs mop up the loose balls.  That’s where the Soumare weekend jog causes more problems as we have zero protection in midfield, unless Ndidi plays. 

 

I’m guessing we have no technical team showing them the problems and working on them. Are the players ignoring tactics?

 

JJ comes across to cover an attacker with Faes, that leaves the wing wide open and we get overloaded every time. I can’t see any point playing like, while I understand the theory, as attackers slip by the two of them doubling up with ease anyway. 
 

If this is because VK is bombing forward, maybe tell Ayew and Mav they are allowed to pass the ball to a player in space instead of leaving him out to dry when they inevitably fall over or kick the ball against the defender after 5 step overs. 

 

Woyo made more standing tackles in one game than I can remember JJ making all season. Okoli is showing promise as a defender but takes too long to make a pass so backtracks and puts himself against a press too often. Next year in the champs will help him develop. 

TLDR; I’m over Ruud.  The players and manager are just not very good at their jobs.  Same players, same tactics, same mistakes, same results. 

[winteriscoming]

9 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

He isn’t the man to save us.

 

He won’t be the man to rebuild us in the Championship. 
 

He isn’t the right guy for us.

 

No point dragging it out but this board have absolutely no clue whatsoever.

 

Dyche and his men IN, plz. 

Agree apart from Dyche coming in. 

[Foxin_Mad]

9 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

He isn’t the man to save us.

 

He won’t be the man to rebuild us in the Championship. 
 

He isn’t the right guy for us.

 

No point dragging it out but this board have absolutely no clue whatsoever.

 

Dyche and his men IN, plz. 

The guy who failed with much better players at Everton? Really, and a style worse than Coopers. Would be horrific. I’m not even sure in modern football dyche gets out of the Championship