King Power Out

[Sly]

If King Power sold tomorrow, complete with all Leicester related items included, then they would leave us in significantly better shape than they got us.

 

1. We own the ground again.

2. World class training facility

3. Higher profile across the world.

4. Fully funded female team.
 

The question is could a different owner build on those foundations and improve us. 

 

Football is a strange game. 
 

It depends on the aspirations of each club, However not every club can be successful and win the league each season. That means that largely 5 to 6 other clubs deem their seasons to be an under performance.l at the top end alone. 
 

We could get a Vincent Tan, we could get a Roman Ambramovic, or even Glaziers. Changing owners is a gamble. 
 

We’ve been in far worse quagmires than the current one we find ourselves in, albeit we are a bit of a mess right now. We’ve shot ourselves in the foot, however it’s business and it happens. Just ask BlackBerry. 

 

[Mickyblueeyes]

8 minutes ago, Sly said:

If King Power sold tomorrow, complete with all Leicester related items included, then they would leave us in significantly better shape than they got us.

 

1. We own the ground again.

2. World class training facility

3. Higher profile across the world.

4. Fully funded female team.
 

The question is could a different owner build on those foundations and improve us. 

 

Football is a strange game. 
 

It depends on the aspirations of each club, However not every club can be successful and win the league each season. That means that largely 5 to 6 other clubs deem their seasons to be an under performance.l at the top end alone. 
 

We could get a Vincent Tan, we could get a Roman Ambramovic, or even Glaziers. Changing owners is a gamble. 
 

We’ve been in far worse quagmires than the current one we find ourselves in, albeit we are a bit of a mess right now. We’ve shot ourselves in the foot, however it’s business and it happens. Just ask BlackBerry. 

 

The fundamental point we are missing as a fan base, which I don’t think is existent as much in other fanbases is holding the owner, his staff to account. 
 

Selling a football club or any business for that matter is not an easy nor quick process. Especially not one in an industry as volatile as football. Any buyer would want carefully worded warranties just to deal with the risk/impact of PSR - that could take months in itself. 
 

So it’s not a quick process that will change overnight but we do need to do is hold these individuals who quite frankly are overreaching in terms of their capabilities to account. You see the Facebook posts on the other page, fans cheering failure , high fives when we score but the other side have scored three. The lack of thoughtful planning. The lack of ambition (yes, I said it) in acquiring mediocre players in comparison to our conpetitors (Bennett, Vestegaard, Bertrand etc.). And repeatedly finding excuses for them despite these errors, 

 

Jon Rudkin has failed as DOF and then some. Susan Whelan has failed as CEO, Top has failed multiple times as chairman of the board. If they haven’t realised that it’s absolutely on us to tell them.
 

Unless we come out of our slumber and hold them to account nothing will change. Change isn’t necessarily a sale (though, I hope that is the long term result) it’s the ownership recognising that what has come now is not acceptable despite the work of what this club achieved under Vichai’s ownership. What they’ve delivered (Top, Rudkin, Whelan who all owe their careers to Vichai) is quite frankly insulting, 

 

So boo, protest,  chant whatever you but at the very least let them know that while they are here, this fanbase, this club, our tradition is far bigger than KP. It was them who came for us all those years ago, not the other way around. We should demand we deserve better and we do. No media outlet, no opposition fan, not even the organisation set up to do this, the Foxes Trust is going to protect our club as it nosedives and believe me, if we do not make changes, it will. 

[Gamble92]

46 minutes ago, Sly said:

If King Power sold tomorrow, complete with all Leicester related items included, then they would leave us in significantly better shape than they got us.

 

1. We own the ground again.

2. World class training facility

3. Higher profile across the world.

4. Fully funded female team.
 

The question is could a different owner build on those foundations and improve us. 

 

Football is a strange game. 
 

It depends on the aspirations of each club, However not every club can be successful and win the league each season. That means that largely 5 to 6 other clubs deem their seasons to be an under performance.l at the top end alone. 
 

We could get a Vincent Tan, we could get a Roman Ambramovic, or even Glaziers. Changing owners is a gamble. 
 

We’ve been in far worse quagmires than the current one we find ourselves in, albeit we are a bit of a mess right now. We’ve shot ourselves in the foot, however it’s business and it happens. Just ask BlackBerry. 

 

You make some good points. But they aren't leaving tomorrow, and there is no every chance Top leaves us worse off than when they joined, which was unthinkable. 

 

Id say if we plunged to League One - Which I think is now odds on, given the almost certain relegation and -12/embargo next season then we'd be worse off in every sense. 

 

It isn't even about comparing to when they arrived anyway. It's about undoing everything about the legacy before Vichai died. It's absolutely heartbreaking to watch all this happen. It was so avoidable. 

[Dr The Singh]

28 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

The fundamental point we are missing as a fan base, which I don’t think is existent as much in other fanbases is holding the owner, his staff to account. 
 

Selling a football club or any business for that matter is not an easy nor quick process. Especially not one in an industry as volatile as football. Any buyer would want carefully worded warranties just to deal with the risk/impact of PSR - that could take months in itself. 
 

So it’s not a quick process that will change overnight but we do need to do is hold these individuals who quite frankly are overreaching in terms of their capabilities to account. You see the Facebook posts on the other page, fans cheering failure , high fives when we score but the other side have scored three. The lack of thoughtful planning. The lack of ambition (yes, I said it) in acquiring mediocre players in comparison to our conpetitors (Bennett, Vestegaard, Bertrand etc.). And repeatedly finding excuses for them despite these errors, 

 

Jon Rudkin has failed as DOF and then some. Susan Whelan has failed as CEO, Top has failed multiple times as chairman of the board. If they haven’t realised that it’s absolutely on us to tell them.
 

Unless we come out of our slumber and hold them to account nothing will change. Change isn’t necessarily a sale (though, I hope that is the long term result) it’s the ownership recognising that what has come now is not acceptable despite the work of what this club achieved under Vichai’s ownership. What they’ve delivered (Top, Rudkin, Whelan who all owe their careers to Vichai) is quite frankly insulting, 

 

So boo, protest,  chant whatever you but at the very least let them know that while they are here, this fanbase, this club, our tradition is far bigger than KP. It was them who came for us all those years ago, not the other way around. We should demand we deserve better and we do. No media outlet, no opposition fan, not even the organisation set up to do this, the Foxes Trust is going to protect our club as it nosedives and believe me, if we do not make changes, it will. 

I have 100% faith they will save the club

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 minute ago, Dr The Singh said:

I have 100% faith they will save the club

Yeah, you’re probably right. What are we saving the club from by the way ?

[Dr The Singh]

3 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Yeah, you’re probably right. What are we saving the club from by the way ?

Crap fans like you....

[Sly]

6 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

You make some good points. But they aren't leaving tomorrow, and there is no every chance Top leaves us worse off than when they joined, which was unthinkable. 

 

Id say if we plunged to League One - Which I think is now odds on, given the almost certain relegation and -12/embargo next season then we'd be worse off in every sense. 

 

It isn't even about comparing to when they arrived anyway. It's about undoing everything about the legacy before Vichai died. It's absolutely heartbreaking to watch all this happen. It was so avoidable. 

Oh, without a shadow of doubt, we are in a terrible state to even 2021 when we should have really been a major disrupter to the Greedy 6. 

[Happy Fox]

https://www.givemesport.com/every-premier-league-club-owner-ranked-worst-best/
 

Did KP pay them for their ranking 

[Nolucklcfc]

Sometimes a club just needs a change from

top to bottom and we are at that point. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

28 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Crap fans like you....

good lad.

[Foxmeister]

4 hours ago, joachim1965 said:

OK Jon

Bless you, I gave you a reaction because, for the first time in the history of that post, nobody else did. 😞

 

Enjoy your dopamine.

Edited 22 January by Foxmeister

[SemperEadem]

10 hours ago, TamuffFox said:

Check out the majority of the replies to this....brain dead and brainwashed are the words that spring to mind.....ffs!!

 

https://www.facebook.com/share/18ZNyWaAeW/

****ing sick of reading get behind them. Its about 500 fans tops at the moment who actually do. All hot air online to make them feel better.

[LinekersLugs]

9 hours ago, Sly said:

If King Power sold tomorrow, complete with all Leicester related items included, then they would leave us in significantly better shape than they got us.

 

1. We own the ground again.

2. World class training facility

3. Higher profile across the world.

4. Fully funded female team.
 

The question is could a different owner build on those foundations and improve us. 

 

Football is a strange game. 
 

It depends on the aspirations of each club, However not every club can be successful and win the league each season. That means that largely 5 to 6 other clubs deem their seasons to be an under performance.l at the top end alone. 
 

We could get a Vincent Tan, we could get a Roman Ambramovic, or even Glaziers. Changing owners is a gamble. 
 

We’ve been in far worse quagmires than the current one we find ourselves in, albeit we are a bit of a mess right now. We’ve shot ourselves in the foot, however it’s business and it happens. Just ask BlackBerry. 

 

But if we stick with Top we face financial ruin and all those things his father had a vision for being undermined, his father is dead and all those positives where his legacy to us 

 

the board are gaslighting us to believe “we are better off with the devil we know”

 

we are about to be relegated for the 2nd time in 3 years and we will be clobbered by the EFL …. We are facing into a very very dark period, and your worried about new owners … how could anyone be worse than top 

[CosbehFox]

52 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

****ing sick of reading get behind them. Its about 500 fans tops at the moment who actually do. All hot air online to make them feel better.

A lot of waffle about this club was saved by these owners. This club was bought by them with us 5th in the championship and a penalty shootout from a Wembley playoff final 

Edited 22 January by CosbehFox

[bmt]

9 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

The fundamental point we are missing as a fan base, which I don’t think is existent as much in other fanbases is holding the owner, his staff to account. 
 

Selling a football club or any business for that matter is not an easy nor quick process. Especially not one in an industry as volatile as football. Any buyer would want carefully worded warranties just to deal with the risk/impact of PSR - that could take months in itself. 
 

So it’s not a quick process that will change overnight but we do need to do is hold these individuals who quite frankly are overreaching in terms of their capabilities to account. You see the Facebook posts on the other page, fans cheering failure , high fives when we score but the other side have scored three. The lack of thoughtful planning. The lack of ambition (yes, I said it) in acquiring mediocre players in comparison to our conpetitors (Bennett, Vestegaard, Bertrand etc.). And repeatedly finding excuses for them despite these errors, 

 

Jon Rudkin has failed as DOF and then some. Susan Whelan has failed as CEO, Top has failed multiple times as chairman of the board. If they haven’t realised that it’s absolutely on us to tell them.
 

Unless we come out of our slumber and hold them to account nothing will change. Change isn’t necessarily a sale (though, I hope that is the long term result) it’s the ownership recognising that what has come now is not acceptable despite the work of what this club achieved under Vichai’s ownership. What they’ve delivered (Top, Rudkin, Whelan who all owe their careers to Vichai) is quite frankly insulting, 

 

So boo, protest,  chant whatever you but at the very least let them know that while they are here, this fanbase, this club, our tradition is far bigger than KP. It was them who came for us all those years ago, not the other way around. We should demand we deserve better and we do. No media outlet, no opposition fan, not even the organisation set up to do this, the Foxes Trust is going to protect our club as it nosedives and believe me, if we do not make changes, it will. 

Good post, completely agree with the sentiment.

 

I agreed with the bold point until recently. I have no problem with mistakes (including major ones) being made as long as lessons are learned and subsequent improvements made, and that includes managers too. In fact I think it would have showed really strong leadership for them to have come out at any point and talked about the mistakes that have made and how they will fix them.

 

However, this current leadership have shown over and over again they have absolutely no intention of acknowledging their mistakes, and even less fixing them. I am hoping we are looking to attract new owners - as above I think there are some aspects to the club that are really strong and should attract interest (more than FT often gives us credit for), its just attracting the right buyer. For me with a change in ownership we could re-establish ourselves as a top half contender in the prem, but without it we will fall quickly into obscurity in the championship.

[LCFCJohn]

26 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

A lot of waffle about this club was saved by these owners. This club was bought by them

with us 5th in the championship and a penalty shootout from a Wembley playoff final 

Absolutely. Milan Mandaric ‘saved’ and stabilised the club even if we dipped in the short term. We had Pearson and his team in place and were on the way up. KP actually set us back in the short term by getting rid of them.

[Sly]

48 minutes ago, LinekersLugs said:

But if we stick with Top we face financial ruin and all those things his father had a vision for being undermined, his father is dead and all those positives where his legacy to us 

 

the board are gaslighting us to believe “we are better off with the devil we know”

 

we are about to be relegated for the 2nd time in 3 years and we will be clobbered by the EFL …. We are facing into a very very dark period, and your worried about new owners … how could anyone be worse than top 

Oh, I’m not saying I don’t advocate for better owners than we have currently.

 

I’m just saying, it could get a lot, lot worse, to the point we don’t exist as a football club. 
 

Whoever owns us could asset strip us if they really wanted to, sell everything off etc. That is maybe a bit extreme, however if the new owners didn’t invest and used our current assets as collateral against loans, we could quickly see ourselves in a situation where we become a football club with lots of debt, no money and a significantly worse playing squad than we have now. 

[Sly]

24 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Absolutely. Milan Mandaric ‘saved’ and stabilised the club even if we dipped in the short term. We had Pearson and his team in place and were on the way up. KP actually set us back in the short term by getting rid of them.

Milan understood football. 
 

Vichai in the early years made some questionable decisions as we rolled around the Championship.

 

We obviously caught lightning in a bottle with the title win, however our business model has been successfully replicated by other clubs that we would have received to be smaller than us 4 years ago.

 

We basically mortgaged ourselves to the hilt (in terms of paying top player wages) and it failed spectacularly. I felt under Maresca they’d at least identified what had gone wrong and employed someone that could drive us forward. They’ll never acknowledge when results / summary of the review as they are a very private business. 
 

The Cooper appointment and gamble on RVN just feels like it’s deviated away from this a little again. Enzo was a calculated gamble but he’d earned his stripes. Cooper was a mile away from what we had with Enzo and whilst the results have got worse with RVN, I think longer term with time it might work.

Unfortunately, football is a results business and we don’t have time. You can’t really learn on the job. If they’ve got any sense, they’ll bring someone in to work alongside RVN. 
 

Liverpool did it years ago with Roy Evans brining in Houllier.

[accessory]

10 hours ago, Sly said:

If King Power sold tomorrow, complete with all Leicester related items included, then they would leave us in significantly better shape than they got us.

 

1. We own the ground again.

2. World class training facility

Seen this phrase on a number of threads.  It's an achievement our club loves to proclaim at every opportunity.

 

But is it true?

 

Has Seagrave made the likes of Danny Ward or Wilfred Ndidi - who have been with us throughout the four years of its existence - better players?

 

Has it improved the quality of any of the teams that use it?

 

The answer to both questions is a resounding NO.

 

Maybe the facility will deliver real benefits in time.

 

Right now, though, it just seems like an expensive Rudkin vanity project.

[Trav Le Bleu]

10 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Yeah, you’re probably right. What are we saving the club from by the way ?

Yer mam!

[Trav Le Bleu]

11 minutes ago, accessory said:

Seen this phrase on a number of threads.  It's an achievement our club loves to proclaim at every opportunity.

 

But is it true?

 

Has Seagrave made the likes of Danny Ward or Wilfred Ndidi - who have been with us throughout the four years of its existence - better players?

 

Has it improved the quality of any of the teams that use it?

 

The answer to both questions is a resounding NO.

 

Maybe the facility will deliver real benefits in time.

 

Right now, though, it just seems like an expensive Rudkin vanity project.

Any tool is only as good as its user.

 

You could send me to RADA, I'm still not going to win an Oscar.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

A lot of waffle about this club was saved by these owners. This club was bought by them with us 5th in the championship and a penalty shootout from a Wembley playoff final 

Good chance we could be below that this time next year too. 

[Tommy G]

11 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

The fundamental point we are missing as a fan base, which I don’t think is existent as much in other fanbases is holding the owner, his staff to account. 
 

Selling a football club or any business for that matter is not an easy nor quick process. Especially not one in an industry as volatile as football. Any buyer would want carefully worded warranties just to deal with the risk/impact of PSR - that could take months in itself. 
 

So it’s not a quick process that will change overnight but we do need to do is hold these individuals who quite frankly are overreaching in terms of their capabilities to account. You see the Facebook posts on the other page, fans cheering failure , high fives when we score but the other side have scored three. The lack of thoughtful planning. The lack of ambition (yes, I said it) in acquiring mediocre players in comparison to our conpetitors (Bennett, Vestegaard, Bertrand etc.). And repeatedly finding excuses for them despite these errors, 

 

Jon Rudkin has failed as DOF and then some. Susan Whelan has failed as CEO, Top has failed multiple times as chairman of the board. If they haven’t realised that it’s absolutely on us to tell them.
 

Unless we come out of our slumber and hold them to account nothing will change. Change isn’t necessarily a sale (though, I hope that is the long term result) it’s the ownership recognising that what has come now is not acceptable despite the work of what this club achieved under Vichai’s ownership. What they’ve delivered (Top, Rudkin, Whelan who all owe their careers to Vichai) is quite frankly insulting, 

 

So boo, protest,  chant whatever you but at the very least let them know that while they are here, this fanbase, this club, our tradition is far bigger than KP. It was them who came for us all those years ago, not the other way around. We should demand we deserve better and we do. No media outlet, no opposition fan, not even the organisation set up to do this, the Foxes Trust is going to protect our club as it nosedives and believe me, if we do not make changes, it will. 

Wonder what the W&I premiums would be like on that 

[RonnieTodger]

2 hours ago, SemperEadem said:

****ing sick of reading get behind them. It’s about 500 fans tops at the moment who actually do. All hot air online to make them feel better.

It’s always written by dullards that either sit in silence or just don’t go at all. 
 

Leicester Facebook is awash with simpletons that cannot think for themselves.

[FoxesDeb]

I had to stop reading the comments on FB a while ago, they were making me too angry. A sizeable number of women on our FB pages talking nonsense too, gives the rest of us a bad name