Whose fault is it?

[phoneticerror]

8 hours ago, JimJams said:

Ward has played 135 minutes of football. Shit as he may be, it's not his fault we are where we are.

It’s not Ward’s fault for the two matches he played. It’s RvN for putting him between the sticks without properly evaluating his ability on the big stage. 
 

For the rest of the reason, JJ is the main culprit.

[alanf0x]

Rudkin

[jim5000]

8 hours ago, JimJams said:

Ward has played 135 minutes of football. Shit as he may be, it's not his fault we are where we are.

He has let in 135 goals in that time however….

[Foxmeister]

Not Liverpool fans

[CrazyKopCorner]

Unfortunately it's Top and he's essentially trounced his father's legacy. 

 

Even with reasonable management we should have established ourselves as a top 8 club. 

 

He's taken his eye off of the ball and allowed his executives to consistently put in poor performances which should have seen them sacked. 

 

The training ground should have nurtured excellent but has nurtured a cosy environment where players are allowed to put in hugely inept performances 

 

Clearly there's more and more of course but the club needs a total rethink and a change of personnel and culture from Top to bottom.  

[MGLCFC]

The unfortunate, sad death of The Boss has led to mismanagement on and off the field. Whilst, I think King Power have the best intentions, goodwill only takes a club so far. Vichai appeared to be able to mix corporate business and sporting business successful, unfortunate Top doesn't appear to have the same acumen as his father. 

[hejammy]

9 hours ago, SecretPro said:

Tea lady. She's definitely the root cause.

She causes a typhoo(n) and until tea leaves it will certainly not be PG in the ground, maybe she can just piss right off to Yorkshire. 

Edited 29 December 2024 by hejammy

[when_you're_smiling]

6 hours ago, Sly said:

A lot has gone wrong, however the honest answer is we’ve tried to play by the rules and had our fingers burnt with PSR I think.

 

We were always sailing close to the wind and punching above our weight in financial terms. 

 

 

On the field

 

Kasper and Morgan leaving left a massive gap in leadership.

 

Ability wise, it took us 12 months to replace Kasper. Ward officially cost us 6 goals, and was ranked toward the bottom end of goalkeepers. Only Buzana, Travers and Mesiler were worse. We should have signed a goalkeeper in January.  

 

Evans was always injured, Soyuncu needed a leader next to him so we should have purchased a more experienced centre back partner. Rodgers insistence to play Amartey and Faes was borderline criminal though. Vestergaard / Soyuncu basically became outcasts. 

Faes / Vestergaard are major downgrades on Fofana. 

Perez was expensive, however he worked hard for the team, similar to Albrighton. Something subsequent right sided wingers in Under and Tete didn’t. We keep both of these in 22/23 and I don’t think we get relegated. I’m assuming now they were shifted out to cut the wage bill on PSR? 
 

We’ve so many injuries to players. Ricardo, Benkovic, Justin, Evans, Bertrand, Mendy, Ndidi etc.

 

Even this season Fatawu, Ricardo, Ndidi, Stolarkzyk, Hermansen, Vestergaard, Nelson and Souttar are all injured longer term. The latter might have been pulled back in for improve the defence and selling Faes. Can’t do that now. 
 

Alves and Braybrooke were the next two talents from the academy. Both injured and neither have kicked on since. 

Off the field

 

That transfer window when we didn’t refresh under Rodgers when it was evident we desperately needed new blood, was the turning point. Signing Smithies and Faes wasn’t an ideal situation. 
 

The January 23 transfer window when we signed Souttar, Kristiansen, Tete …. Wow. That was bad. 

 

If we pull the trigger on Rodgers earlier, even if we appoint Dean Smith 5 games earlier, I think we stay up. Those two losses to Villa and Bournemouth were hard to take. 

 

We’ve let Tielemans, Praet, Perez, Evans, Soyuncu, Amartey, Iheanacho and Mendy leave on free transfers. We have financial issues and we let the best part of £150m worth of assets leave for free.

 

We under sold Maddison, Castagne, Barnes and Dewsbury-Hall cheap, as we needed to balance the books. 
 

We appear to have changed our philosophy on transfer. We were once the model to copy but Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford have definitely passed us now, using data analytics to basically moneyball signings. We were doing it. When and why this changed, I’ll never know. 

 

We’ve guffed so much money up the wall on signings that haven’t worked. We aren’t a Chelsea, Manchester City etc, that can afford to do that. I’m still not convinced that spending £20m on Soumare, then giving his £90k per week apparently was the smartest idea ever. Why we needed Skipp I’ll never know.

 

Coupled with signing terrible players, we struggle to sell on. In an ideal world Thomas and Choudhury should have been sold to balance the books as they’re pure profit to PSR. 
 

We didn’t have a plan for when Maresca left. He was always going to leave at some point, Cooper wasn’t the right man to replace him and I’m yet to be convinced RVN is either. Do we have a longer term strategy, or are we sailing by the seat of our pants? On that, what’s the deal with RVN having none of his own staff?!? 

Very well written.

 

The most depressing thing is a lot of it is PSR and the fact we didn’t sell one summer when we were trying to take the next step.

 

Clubs like Man U and Chelsea can make expensive mistakes galore and because of their wealth the worst that happens to them is they finish mid-table. The latter have been dreadfully run recently but the worst that’s happening to them is they had to knick our manager and best player and be given a comfortable waltz towards a European title that they’re not even that fussed about.

 

Not selling a player so cash is suddenly tight, plus keeping Rodgers for too long, were critical errors for us in the way they’re not for the richer clubs. 

Same with the current ‘well run’ poster boy clubs. They’re just a couple of mistakes from following the path we have. That’s how modern football has been set up to be.

[The mullet of Phil Gee]

21 minutes ago, hejammy said:

She causes a typhoo(n) and until tea leaves it will certainly not be PG in the ground, maybe she can just piss right off to Yorkshire. 

Let’s hope she doesn’t take all the bloody cups with her. I can’t see us winning any more in the near future. 

[Parafox]

7 hours ago, PhillippaT said:

Col+Col+Col+Col=???

 

Sweet Four Col.

[Parafox]

Cyclists fault.

[murphy]

7 hours ago, Sly said:

A lot has gone wrong, however the honest answer is we’ve tried to play by the rules and had our fingers burnt with PSR I think.

 

We were always sailing close to the wind and punching above our weight in financial terms. 

 

 

On the field

 

Kasper and Morgan leaving left a massive gap in leadership.

 

Ability wise, it took us 12 months to replace Kasper. Ward officially cost us 6 goals, and was ranked toward the bottom end of goalkeepers. Only Buzana, Travers and Mesiler were worse. We should have signed a goalkeeper in January.  

 

Evans was always injured, Soyuncu needed a leader next to him so we should have purchased a more experienced centre back partner. Rodgers insistence to play Amartey and Faes was borderline criminal though. Vestergaard / Soyuncu basically became outcasts. 

Faes / Vestergaard are major downgrades on Fofana. 

Perez was expensive, however he worked hard for the team, similar to Albrighton. Something subsequent right sided wingers in Under and Tete didn’t. We keep both of these in 22/23 and I don’t think we get relegated. I’m assuming now they were shifted out to cut the wage bill on PSR? 
 

We’ve so many injuries to players. Ricardo, Benkovic, Justin, Evans, Bertrand, Mendy, Ndidi etc.

 

Even this season Fatawu, Ricardo, Ndidi, Stolarkzyk, Hermansen, Vestergaard, Nelson and Souttar are all injured longer term. The latter might have been pulled back in for improve the defence and selling Faes. Can’t do that now. 
 

Alves and Braybrooke were the next two talents from the academy. Both injured and neither have kicked on since. 

Off the field

 

That transfer window when we didn’t refresh under Rodgers when it was evident we desperately needed new blood, was the turning point. Signing Smithies and Faes wasn’t an ideal situation. 
 

The January 23 transfer window when we signed Souttar, Kristiansen, Tete …. Wow. That was bad. 

 

If we pull the trigger on Rodgers earlier, even if we appoint Dean Smith 5 games earlier, I think we stay up. Those two losses to Villa and Bournemouth were hard to take. 

 

We’ve let Tielemans, Praet, Perez, Evans, Soyuncu, Amartey, Iheanacho and Mendy leave on free transfers. We have financial issues and we let the best part of £150m worth of assets leave for free.

 

We under sold Maddison, Castagne, Barnes and Dewsbury-Hall cheap, as we needed to balance the books. 
 

We appear to have changed our philosophy on transfer. We were once the model to copy but Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford have definitely passed us now, using data analytics to basically moneyball signings. We were doing it. When and why this changed, I’ll never know. 

 

We’ve guffed so much money up the wall on signings that haven’t worked. We aren’t a Chelsea, Manchester City etc, that can afford to do that. I’m still not convinced that spending £20m on Soumare, then giving his £90k per week apparently was the smartest idea ever. Why we needed Skipp I’ll never know.

 

Coupled with signing terrible players, we struggle to sell on. In an ideal world Thomas and Choudhury should have been sold to balance the books as they’re pure profit to PSR. 
 

We didn’t have a plan for when Maresca left. He was always going to leave at some point, Cooper wasn’t the right man to replace him and I’m yet to be convinced RVN is either. Do we have a longer term strategy, or are we sailing by the seat of our pants? On that, what’s the deal with RVN having none of his own staff?!? 

Well put.  Can we not print this and mail it to Top, C/O KP Stadium, Filbert Way, LE2 7FL?

 

A couple of things I would add:  As others have said, the rot starts with the tragedy and the sad loss of Vichai.   Furthermore, 'Spursing' top four twice from a position where it looked more difficult not to qualify, cost us hugely.  We'll never know where we would be now had we held our nerve to get over the line.  

 

Rodgers seemingly checking out mentally after not getting his way with his refresh and some of those who's contracts were running down in the relegation season perhaps not giving 100%.

 

The transfer model, as touched upon, changing from buying potential with resale value to the Congerton/Rodgers silver medallist approach and overpaying on wages for mediocrity that we then can't shift.  Some of our transfer business has been appalling.

 

Overall, we've been complacent and incompetent all over the shop, but I believe without relegation we could have recovered.  If there was just one highly avoidable thing that we could have easily changed and would have left us still a proper Premier League club, it was recklessly trying to play without a proper goalkeeper.

[RowlattsFox]

It's the season under Rodgers that has caused where we are now. Firstly offering too big contracts to players who weren't good enough and successive poor windows. 

 

Then either not sacking Rodgers sooner or not sticking with him until the end and see if he could just about survive. We sacked him with no plan just before two huge home games. 

 

Everything else has come because of this. 

[SemperEadem]

Top

[Nolucklcfc]

Top, Rudkin, poor recruitment. 

[foxinsocks]

10 hours ago, CPepFox said:

Why can't we have some numerators??? I'm tired of denominators!!! Especially on this topic!!!

At school, we called them Denis Denominator and Nelly Numerator.  Nelly was always on top of Denis

[foxinsocks]

THE PSR situation was down to Top gambling; the delay in firing Rodgers was down to Top. The hiring of Cooper was down to Top.  The transfer policy is the work of Rudkin who is allowed to continue by Top.

Top need s to reengage with the club and with fans - IMO he need an advisor (... not rudkin)

[foxfanazer]

The blame should always be towards the very top (Top)

[Parker Pen]

Lee Congerton for torching all the money by recruiting bang average players and giving them ridiculous contracts! Fits in well now with all the crooks in Italian football.

 

Top ultimately for sticking with Crudkin and allowing appointments like Congerton. A complete overhaul is required not the marking of your own homework that was carried out at the end of 22/23 season.

[murphy]

2 minutes ago, Parker Pen said:

Lee Congerton for torching all the money by recruiting bang average players and giving them ridiculous contracts! Fits in well now with all the crooks in Italian football.

 

Top ultimately for sticking with Crudkin and allowing appointments like Congerton. A complete overhaul is required not the marking of your own homework that was carried out at the end of 22/23 season.

Who could have ever seen that coming?

[Sly]

1 minute ago, murphy said:

Who could have ever seen that coming?

Sunderland fans 

[Mickyblueeyes]

When we won the PL, who was the prat who hugged the trophy the longest and walked around the pitch pointing at the crowd as he had “given” it to us. A lot of debate of who was most important to that PL win but I can tell you 100% one person who played no part was Top, 
 

If you want the credit lad, this is on you. There is only one answer. 

[lcfcsnow]

7 minutes ago, murphy said:

Who could have ever seen that coming?

Fans tend to know better than the club on most things

[Jazzy_Jeff]

Premier League with their PSR and VAR nonsense 

[FrankieADZ]

Top, Rudkin, Whelan and the board in general