Other clubs transfers- Jan 2025

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Well ideally I'd like the club to be better at transfers but that aside, the two January's we failed to strengthen when going for the top 4, we had yet to feel the effects of PSR and nor was it a problem for any club back then. Even you, a staunch defender of everything with hindsight must admit it was a missed opportunity that we may never ever get back to.

 

In fact I know your answer so don't bother. 

Pub Quiz in 2032 -

 

Which PL team sat in the top 4 of europes elite league signed a defender from Wolves reserve team ? 
 

Will be an easy answer as it will never happen again. No one would insult the league like that again,

[Viva]

7 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Hmmmmmm but we were getting severely hampered by injuries and Rodgers went on record too in the summer of 2019 that we hadn't got all the players he needed, so I'm not so sure that was the expectation. Plus Man Utd strengthened with Bruno Fernandes and the rest is history. 

Looking back at the table and it's hard to believe we were actually 14 points clear of 5th at the end of January 2020 after 24 matches! That should have been enough, but we went into relegation form. 

[Tommy Fresh]

1 minute ago, Viva said:

Looking back at the table and it's hard to believe we were actually 14 points clear of 5th at the end of January 2020 after 24 matches! That should have been enough, but we went into relegation form. 

So it would of appeared fairly low risk to strengthen 

[Viva]

Just now, Tommy Fresh said:

So it would of appeared fairly low risk to strengthen 

Not really if you overspend on a player when you might have better options in the summer. 

[Ric Flair]

7 minutes ago, Viva said:

Looking back at the table and it's hard to believe we were actually 14 points clear of 5th at the end of January 2020 after 24 matches! That should have been enough, but we went into relegation form. 

Yeah it's staggering how we threw it away. 

[splinterdream]

16 minutes ago, Viva said:

Looking back at the table and it's hard to believe we were actually 14 points clear of 5th at the end of January 2020 after 24 matches! That should have been enough, but we went into relegation form. 

I reckon all it would have took is £25m spend in that January window, and we'd have breezed it

[Tuna]

25 minutes ago, Viva said:

Looking back at the table and it's hard to believe we were actually 14 points clear of 5th at the end of January 2020 after 24 matches! That should have been enough, but we went into relegation form. 

We would have done it had the season not been suspended after Villa 4-0 because of covid.

[Viva]

3 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

I reckon all it would have took is £25m spend in that January window, and we'd have breezed it

We spent not far short of £100m in the summer of 2019. As I said, we shouldn't have needed to spend another £25m in January with a 14 point cushion over 5th. We didn't have the benefit of knowing we were going to dramatically collapse. 

[EastAnglianFox]

1 hour ago, Tuna said:

We would have done it had the season not been suspended after Villa 4-0 because of covid.

We were so so good that night, Harvey Barnes unplayable.

 

FA Cup win (obviously incredible) aside it’s borderline criminal how things have been able to slip to where we are right now.

 

 

 

 

 

[Tommy Fresh]

9 hours ago, Viva said:

Not really if you overspend on a player when you might have better options in the summer. 

You could still overspend in the summer though and you're starting on zero. At least in those January windows, the gap was so large and as you say they probably didn't predict the collapse, so it's arguably low risk to strengthen when you look fairly certain for top 4.

Additionally even if the players aren't as good as you think, they instantly create competition for places and stop complacency creeping in

Edited 23 January by Tommy Fresh

[Viva]

2 hours ago, Tommy Fresh said:

You could still overspend in the summer though and you're starting on zero. At least in those January windows, the gap was so large and as you say they probably didn't predict the collapse, so it's arguably low risk to strengthen when you look fairly certain for top 4.

Additionally even if the players aren't as good as you think, they instantly create competition for places and stop complacency creeping in

The trouble is though, the board gets slated for overspending to try and stay up, but then criticised for not spending to try and stay in the top 4. Can't really have it both ways in my opinion. There would have been no guarantee buying a player for £25m in January would have kept us in the top 4. 

 

What did you then think to our signings in the summer after the FA Cup win? I know most on here were excited to get the Daka and Soumare signings in early. Looked like good business and the kind of players people are desperate for us to be signing. They don't always work out though unfortunately as we have found out. 

[Tommy Fresh]

18 minutes ago, Viva said:

The trouble is though, the board gets slated for overspending to try and stay up, but then criticised for not spending to try and stay in the top 4. Can't really have it both ways in my opinion. There would have been no guarantee buying a player for £25m in January would have kept us in the top 4. 

 

What did you then think to our signings in the summer after the FA Cup win? I know most on here were excited to get the Daka and Soumare signings in early. Looked like good business and the kind of players people are desperate for us to be signing. They don't always work out though unfortunately as we have found out. 

We were close to failing any financial rules at that point? probably not. You referenced 25 million by the way, there's no guarantees in football though so by your logic we should never sign anyone.

 

Yeah on paper those signings continued to fit the model, buy young players in the hope of moving them on for profit. The issue was we didn't sell anyone that window, meaning the following summer we were restricted with what we could do.

Edited 23 January by Tommy Fresh

[Viva]

17 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

We were close to failing any financial rules at that point? probably not. You referenced 25 million by the way, there's no guarantees in football though so by your logic we should never sign anyone.

 

Yeah on paper those signings continued to fit the model, buy young players in the hope of moving them on for profit. The issue was we didn't sell anyone that window, meaning the following summer we were restricted with what we could do.

I don't have a problem with us signing players. I would have been fine with buying that January to strengthen more and gamble on securing a top 4 spot. I also think we were far enough ahead of 5th, to understand the thinking behind not signing anyone though. I was also fine with us spending in January 2023 to try and stay up, even if it meant breaking PSR rules as the consequences of relegation were huge. I was also fine with us spending reasonably big last summer to try and get promoted at the first attempt, as failure to do so would have resulted in a whole lot of issues and people would have got their wish of seeing a half a team full of U21s struggling with us towards the bottom end of the Championship. 

 

I can see the logic behind the spending we did, which I why I'm not one to bash the board in that respect. We should have sold Tielemans when it was clear he wasn't going to sign a new contract. Ndidi or Barnes were possibly the only others that could have generated a good level of profit. Soyuncu was damaged goods after his terrible showings for us in the second half of the 2020-21 season and his performance at the Euros, and I think it was too early to sell Maddison. 

[Ric Flair]

48 minutes ago, Viva said:

I don't have a problem with us signing players. I would have been fine with buying that January to strengthen more and gamble on securing a top 4 spot. I also think we were far enough ahead of 5th, to understand the thinking behind not signing anyone though. I was also fine with us spending in January 2023 to try and stay up, even if it meant breaking PSR rules as the consequences of relegation were huge. I was also fine with us spending reasonably big last summer to try and get promoted at the first attempt, as failure to do so would have resulted in a whole lot of issues and people would have got their wish of seeing a half a team full of U21s struggling with us towards the bottom end of the Championship. 

 

I can see the logic behind the spending we did, which I why I'm not one to bash the board in that respect. We should have sold Tielemans when it was clear he wasn't going to sign a new contract. Ndidi or Barnes were possibly the only others that could have generated a good level of profit. Soyuncu was damaged goods after his terrible showings for us in the second half of the 2020-21 season and his performance at the Euros, and I think it was too early to sell Maddison. 

Do you see the logic of us not spending this month to try and stay up? I think we can all agree it's highly unlikely we find 20+ points in our remaining games from the current squad and the mood around the place.

[Viva]

23 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Do you see the logic of us not spending this month to try and stay up? I think we can all agree it's highly unlikely we find 20+ points in our remaining games from the current squad and the mood around the place.

I think we will bring in some players, but I do think we need to stay within PSR for 2024-25. If we get relegated, it won't be do or die like last time around as our wage bill will be a lot lower and our position for PSR next season should be better. We would be in the top 2 in the betting to come straight back up. 

 

I am still hoping we get some good business done by the end of the month though to give us a chance. We aren't down just yet. 

 

 

 

 

[Muzzy_no7]

Forest splashing this window will mean they will have to sell big prior to June 30th 

[JimJams]

Cool. They got anyone shit we can pay a fortune for?

[BKLFox]

22 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

I'd suggest if they were to miss out that they might not be hamstrung by the same blockade we are in that they have no ability to sell players. They shifted Niakhate and Mangala in the summer for £40-50mil. Meanwhile we're still waiting for Soumare to come good. They have a lot more flexibility because they get things done. If they miss out I expect them to sell Murillo in the next 18 months. Possibly Gibbs-White too.

 

Another irony is them now going for Matheus Cunha. I seem to remember us getting a Wolves player in in the equivalent window.

 

I'm saying all this hoping you're right - it's barely believable that they're this far ahead of us this quickly. To think some of our fans wanted them to beat Huddersfield.

They have 1 up on us yes but that's only because they haven't had success yet, our model changed the moment we won the league it had to because of reward & expectation.

They are just starting on this slippery slope, they haven't finished in the top 4 yet & could easily slip & finish out of the top 8 let alone top 4 with 16 games still to play.
They are only 6pts ahead of Man C & Newcastle who at any time could go on a run & then only 8pts ahead of Villa in 8th so they are looking at twisting with big money signings to pull that gap further away, which is when that slope becomes steeper.

 

As mentioned they are already rewarding current players with new improved terms, they are looking at breaking their transfer record which will probably come with breaking their wage record also, they could finish this window with possibly 6 players on over £100kpw when they started january they only had 1. 

Yes they have players that could be sold to offset but so did we, it quickly dries up because you start shopping in a different store so your incomings are getting more expensive, yes the odd 1 will still slip through, but within 2-3 seasons they will have a squad on wages similar to what we were & not being able to offload players that they no longer want & the flexibility goes & every signing has to be a success as just 1 or 2 duds can destroy clubs our size.

I for 1 couldn't careless that its Forest doing it, any club socking it to the man gets my vote but sadly we know how it ends regardless of how many people say stick to the model that got you there because unfortunately you can't stick to it & compete.

 

 

[moore_94]

@Ric Flair

 

 

[Ric Flair]

12 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

@Ric Flair

 

 

Risky transfer but he's had some devastating spells at clubs. 

[Supergray22]

16 hours ago, EastAnglianFox said:

We were so so good that night, Harvey Barnes unplayable.

 

FA Cup win (obviously incredible) aside it’s borderline criminal how things have been able to slip to where we are right now.

 

 

 

 

 

Incompetent I’d say and overall just very sad. Still we have proven that it is possible, possibly. The big obstacle now is PSR. 

[surrifox]

Cannon thread closed but Wilders remarks are interesting . Looks like chunky add ons to the fee which he says are likely attainable - so presumably promotion and appearance based rather than Europe / cup wins 

[Grebfromgrebland]

22 hours ago, FoxesWalk said:

Ipswich are finishing above us, so it would need to be Wolves and Everton probably to fall below us. Think we will finish below all of the above personally. 19th, above Southampton. 

I think you're being too optimistic 

[honeybradger]

12 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

I think you're being too optimistic 

It would be very Leicester to finish below the team with the worst league start in PL history.

[StanSP]

Someone mentioned Kone to sign and loan back to Wycombe but can't find the post/thread