LCFC will NOT face any charges for breaching PSR

[Levi Port]

I have a weird but special place in my heart for Mr John Rudkin. Like him or loath him, you know him. 
 

 

[jayfox26]

46 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

No, we didn't. That's the point. The Commission were clear on that.

Then why are the PL appealing it with CAS?

[jamesmilner]

6 hours ago, Merging Cultures said:

This is good. But the press around it all has been damaging. I bet we don't get the same level of coverage for not being charged.

 

Now let's get some players in and kick on to stay up.

Once again It's the numpties who read it and believe it , then use it to destroy their own club without any evidence put forward at all . Some of the so called fans should hang their heads in shame, having a vendetta against the club and owners, after believing it to be true .

[jayfox26]

Just been listening to Simon Jordan and he was his usual twatish self, and was suggesting we've got away with it 3 times now? Can someone clear up for me what the feck hes on about? I understand we got away with no sanctions last season with the EFL and then again this season with the PL but the third time he's talking about I assume is related to the news today that we won't have charges brought for 23-24, but why is he suggesting we got away with it? We haven't actually breached for this period have we? I'm totally lost with it all. If anyone could explain in layman terms, it'd be appreciated 

[Fox forever]

4 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

Then why are the PL appealing it with CAS?

They are not. Club is in Arbitration with them 

[jayfox26]

1 hour ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Usually Simon Jordan tends to make good points and rightly calls out things but today, my god he’s got it so wrong. What a clown. 

Exactly what I thought. He often does talk sense but he's got a right bee in his bonnet about us at the moment and saying he hopes we get relegated was ridiculous. 

[dmayne7]

1 minute ago, jayfox26 said:

Exactly what I thought. He often does talk sense but he's got a right bee in his bonnet about us at the moment and saying he hopes we get relegated was ridiculous. 

He's an intelligent (though nowhere near as smart as he thinks) man who has an opinion on EVERYTHING, literally everything. Because of that, it means he will say lots of things that make sense but just as many, if not more that are utter nonsense. This is one of those occasions. You also have to factor in that this is a guy who's been involved in high level business/media for 3 decades so he's far more comfortable in front of the spotlight and use to churning out the smoke and mirrors defence.

[SamA27]

3 hours ago, FrankieADZ said:

enjoy

Club should sue him for defamation. Just making things up. Problem is other teams fans will take it as truth.

[squidsworth]

It's all a bit strange this psr business. I maybe wrong, but didn't Everton avoid their initial punishment until the following season after it occurred, where if it had applied the same season, it would have been them relegated instead of us? Talk about a get out clause and loop hole there.

Didn't Chelsea once 'sell' some hotels or something, exploiting a loop hole to ensure they complied? 

Meanwhile we get relegated and suffer loads more than these teams, but get bashed to shite cos we exploited something too?

Then you get MC pulled up for supposed endless exploitation of rules, maybe even laws, but a gazillion years on have no word of a single punishment being handed out for any of it. 

Meanwhile we stress about psr when the whole thing has a new set of rules anyway from next year, so who the feck knows where we will stand with that?

But hey, Simon Jordan and the click bate parade just want to go after the small fry, like the bullies they are. It all stinks of the anti competitive league it has become, and one thing for sure, the psr rules are just a mockery of anything resembling competitive sport.

Just goes to show the whole lot needs truly independent regulation!! 

All my own opinion of course. You can make your own minds up, and I haven't researched my facts, going on memory, so might be wrong with some. :-)

 

[Vestan Pance]

3 hours ago, Tommy G said:

He's in control of all footballing matters so he is well aware of how important PSR is. 

I'm sure he's aware of how important PSR is, but he works to a budget as all DOF do. PSR isn't his concern, but sticking to the budget whilst developing the football side is.

[Sunbury Fox]

46 minutes ago, Fox forever said:

They are not. Club is in Arbitration with them 

But some media outlets are claiming this could still end in a points deduction. I don’t see how that is the case myself, but do others know more about the potential implications of this ‘arbitration’?

[ClaphamFox]

3 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

But some media outlets are claiming this could still end in a points deduction. I don’t see how that is the case myself, but do others know more about the potential implications of this ‘arbitration’?

It’s virtually impossible for the PL to win.

[jayfox26]

11 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

But some media outlets are claiming this could still end in a points deduction. I don’t see how that is the case myself, but do others know more about the potential implications of this ‘arbitration’?

Apparently it's a case of, the PL have to try and prove that the judges that found us not guilty of the breaches, were incompetent and no other judges would have come to that outcome. They cannot present new evidence or change arguments so it's basically unwinnable for them which makes you wonder why they are doing it . 

[Bert]

2 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

Apparently it's a case of, the PL have to try and prove that the judges that found us not guilty of the breaches, were incompetent and no other judges would have come to that outcome. They cannot present new evidence or change arguments so it's basically unwinnable for them which makes you wonder why they are doing it . 

Because it’s the only chance they’ve got….

[FrankieADZ]

6 minutes ago, Bert said:

Because it’s the only chance they’ve got….

plus they dont want to lose face, even tho theyve lost that a long time ago

[trooky]

1 hour ago, jayfox26 said:

Then why are the PL appealing it with CAS?

Because they're appealing the summer PSR decision when we won on a technicality. 

 

They obviously thought we would fail this time and could hit us with a big points fine, but that's backfired. 

 

So it's plan B. 

Edited 14 January by trooky

[Richmondfox]

26 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

It’s virtually impossible for the PL to win.

Even we have more wins than them this season. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

50 minutes ago, SamA27 said:

Club should sue him for defamation. Just making things up. Problem is other teams fans will take it as truth.

Giving them what they want. Exposure, clicks, attention. It's just rage bait and our fans fall for it every single time.

[lcfcbluearmy]

6 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

This is where I'm remaining cautious of any celebration. I find 22/23 outcome highly unlikely to be overturned, I cannot believe they've appealed it as they'd have to prove 3 very senior lawyers got it wrong. But there's no clarity that we haven't breached 23/24 just that no charges have been yet. Or am I misunderstanding it?

According to the Premier new rules ad of a year or two ago all complaints on breaking PSR rules have to be filed with in 14 days of the accounts being submitted that being today and the punishment given in the same season as the breach occurred.

 

So we either 1. Which I think is most likely haven't breached PSR this season

Or 2. They can't charge us even if we have because they have missed their deadline 

 

That's how I understand it anyway

 

[StanSP]

2 hours ago, Levi Port said:

I have a weird but special place in my heart for Mr John Rudkin. Like him or loath him, you know him. 
 

 

No thanks. 

 

There's nothing to like about him any more when it comes to having power at the club. He's more a detriment than benefit these days and seems totally devoid of accountability or being held accountable by his peers or seniors. 

[Clever Fox]

26 minutes ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

According to the Premier new rules ad of a year or two ago all complaints on breaking PSR rules have to be filed with in 14 days of the accounts being submitted that being today and the punishment given in the same season as the breach occurred.

 

So we either 1. Which I think is most likely haven't breached PSR this season

Or 2. They can't charge us even if we have because they have missed their deadline 

 

That's how I understand it anyway

 

Forget this years accounts,  We have'nt broken any rules or they would have thrown the book at us.

 

What they're pissed off about is the fact that we found a glaring flaw in the rules and exposed their shortcomings and incompetance.

 

It's very easy to understand. The Premier league and the EFL are two different legal entities. Full stop. That's where their case against us fell.

 

Their only option left was to take us to Tribunal. ( A Tribunal appointed by the Prem League. )  The Tribunal also found in our favor.

 

So now they're just looking for some face saving arbitration excercise. But the legal case has already been heard and that is effectively the end of it. 

[Bilo]

2 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

Forget this years accounts,  We have'nt broken any rules or they would have thrown the book at us.

 

What they're pissed off about is the fact that we found a glaring flaw in the rules and exposed their shortcomings and incompetance.

 

It's very easy to understand. The Premier league and the EFL are two different legal entities. Full stop. That's where their case against us fell.

 

Their only option left was to take us to Tribunal. ( A Tribunal appointed by the Prem League. )  The Tribunal also found in our favor.

 

So now they're just looking for some face saving arbitration excercise. But the legal case has already been heard and that is effectively the end of it. 

Maguire made this point as well about Manchester City and why the Premier League couldn't just straight up relegate them as the Italian FA did with Juventus.

 

Serie A, B and C are all the same legal entity so Juventus weren't being expelled from their league, but demoted to a lower level of it. By contrast, Manchester City cannot be demoted from Legal Entity A to Legal Entity B because the rules don't align, meaning that the most the PL could do is to give them a points deduction that they could theoretically overcome to survive.

 

It's not a million miles away for us. Any punishment the PL could give us for conduct in the PL has no standing in the EFL and vice versa. 

[hackneyfox]

2 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

Just been listening to Simon Jordan and he was his usual twatish self, and was suggesting we've got away with it 3 times now? Can someone clear up for me what the feck hes on about? I understand we got away with no sanctions last season with the EFL and then again this season with the PL but the third time he's talking about I assume is related to the news today that we won't have charges brought for 23-24, but why is he suggesting we got away with it? We haven't actually breached for this period have we? I'm totally lost with it all. If anyone could explain in layman terms, it'd be appreciated 

We 'overspent' when we got promoted under Pearson, we claimed that it was a misunderstanding on our part, EFL accpeted that and we paid a few million as compensation they know it was the only way they'd get us.

[FrankieADZ]

12 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Maguire made this point as well about Manchester City and why the Premier League couldn't just straight up relegate them as the Italian FA did with Juventus.

 

Serie A, B and C are all the same legal entity so Juventus weren't being expelled from their league, but demoted to a lower level of it. By contrast, Manchester City cannot be demoted from Legal Entity A to Legal Entity B because the rules don't align, meaning that the most the PL could do is to give them a points deduction that they could theoretically overcome to survive.

 

It's not a million miles away for us. Any punishment the PL could give us for conduct in the PL has no standing in the EFL and vice versa. 

man city 60 points deduction incoming......or 6

[urban.spaceman]

2 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

man city 60 points deduction incoming......or 6

Should be 600.