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[Jon the Hat]

I see we have given our fish away to continental fisherman again.  I am sure that will go well.

[leicsmac]

12 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I see we have given our fish away to continental fisherman again.  I am sure that will go well.

... if it's any consolation, the way those fish stocks are being overfished by everyone (including UK fishermen) it will no longer be a problem in a couple of decades anyway.

 

There will be a rather larger problem to replace it, but not that one.

[Md9]

And back to normal. No way this guy wrote the message about Biden not enough capital letters in it 

[kenny]

43 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

... if it's any consolation, the way those fish stocks are being overfished by everyone (including UK fishermen) it will no longer be a problem in a couple of decades anyway.

 

There will be a rather larger problem to replace it, but not that one.

Hopefully the supertrawlers will be banned from UK waters and we have strict quotas to protect the stocks.

 

Having better standards than the EU on such matters should be something we strive towards.

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, kenny said:

Hopefully the supertrawlers will be banned from UK waters and we have strict quotas to protect the stocks.

 

Having better standards than the EU on such matters should be something we strive towards.

I have to say that I find the inference that the UK is somehow significantly more ethical or altruistic on this matter (depending on need and opportunity, and along with a lot of other biodiversity related matters) than the EU or any other human group rather lacking in substance beyond mere "patriotic" assertion.

[kenny]

8 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I have to say that I find the inference that the UK is somehow significantly more ethical or altruistic on this matter (depending on need and opportunity, and along with a lot of other biodiversity related matters) than the EU or any other human group rather lacking in substance beyond mere "patriotic" assertion.

The inference was we have the opportunity to put better standards in place.

 

My gut feeling is that we sell out and continue to allow the supertrawlers to damage the ocean beds.

 

I don't believe that the UK (I stand to be corrected...) has any of them and all the ones that operate here are foreign owned. So we could ban them from our waters and allow regular fishing boats to fish here instead.

[leicsmac]

20 minutes ago, kenny said:

The inference was we have the opportunity to put better standards in place.

 

My gut feeling is that we sell out and continue to allow the supertrawlers to damage the ocean beds.

 

I don't believe that the UK (I stand to be corrected...) has any of them and all the ones that operate here are foreign owned. So we could ban them from our waters and allow regular fishing boats to fish here instead.

Tbh I think such measures would have the same end result in terms of habitat and biodiversity loss, just a bit more slowly with regular fishing boats than supertrawlers.

 

That being said, perhaps the UK is closer to actually considering sustainable solutions than other places. I'd like to be proven wrong/ right there.

[Lionator]

It’ll probably save British universities but I’m not sure how I feel about EU students paying the same in fees as British students. Especially when we won’t get the same benefits 

[foxy boxing]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

I see we have given our fish away to continental fisherman again.  I am sure that will go well.

Starmer doesn't negotiate, he surrenders time after time. Honestly are heroes from the greatest generation would be turning in their graves.

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

Starmer doesn't negotiate, he surrenders time after time. Honestly are heroes from the greatest generation would be turning in their graves.

Possibly.

 

Or possibly they might be thinking such agreements are, while distasteful to some, better than the death, blood, loss, pain and intestines (hanging out) that stood in place of such agreements when they were of age.

 

I guess it's difficult to know for sure, given the dead can't really be contacted for their opinion.

[Clogger_]

21 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

Starmer doesn't negotiate, he surrenders time after time. Honestly are heroes from the greatest generation would be turning in their graves.

Did I just read this?! Was I hallucinating?

[urban.spaceman]

[urban.spaceman]

Why are they all such horrible people?

[CrispinLA in Texas]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

... if it's any consolation, the way those fish stocks are being overfished by everyone (including UK fishermen) it will no longer be a problem in a couple of decades anyway.

 

There will be a rather larger problem to replace it, but not that one.

It's the mega trawlers owned by large corporations who hover up all the fish that is the problem and the price of fish has gone up the last 10 years as a result because they run a cartel. Small independent one man operators haven't a chance. But they EU won't do anything because alot of the owners of mega trawlers are owned by french companies. Money talks in Europe just like America, corruption amongst politicians is everywhere 

Edited 19 May 2025 by CrispinLA in Texas

[SecretPro]

The only way to save the Ocean is to ban fishing and stop eating fish. If we thought the issues on land were bad, the sea is in a far, far, far worse state. The number of deadzones is growing rapidly - in real terms the sea's are already empty.

[MonkeyTennis?]

Good news for travellers that we can use the EU e-passport gates again. 

[Md9]

33 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Absolute horrible shi*** c*** these people and one of them deserve to be in charge of making decisions for other people . 

[BKLFox]

23 minutes ago, MonkeyTennis? said:

Good news for travellers that we can use the EU e-passport gates again. 

Has anyone got any horror stories of being held at the non-EU gates behind massive Q's for hours at a time?
I've not once had any major issues despite travelling 2 or 3 times a year since Brexit & there are times when the non-Eu gate is quicker than EU, for example a few weeks ago with a trip to Italy there were 10 or so e-gates for non-EU when i got to them there was 4 people infront of me so 6 bays free i was straight through whilst looking over at the massive EU Q  backing up, this was Rome at 18:00hrs not a small out the way airport in the wee hours.

[ramboacdc]

3 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Has anyone got any horror stories of being held at the non-EU gates behind massive Q's for hours at a time?
I've not once had any major issues despite travelling 2 or 3 times a year since Brexit & there are times when the non-Eu gate is quicker than EU, for example a few weeks ago with a trip to Italy there were 10 or so e-gates for non-EU when i got to them there was 4 people infront of me so 6 bays free i was straight through whilst looking over at the massive EU Q  backing up, this was Rome at 18:00hrs not a small out the way airport in the wee hours.

Pain in the arse for a few places I went. Hungary and Montenegro stick out as 2 of them waiting over an hour

[leicsmac]

42 minutes ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

It's the mega trawlers owned by large corporations who hover up all the fish that is the problem and the price of fish has gone up the last 10 years as a result because they run a cartel. Small independent one man operators haven't a chance. But they EU won't do anything because alot of the owners of mega trawlers are owned by french companies. Money talks in Europe just like America, corruption amongst politicians is everywhere 

As per above, I'm not sure how muchmore sustainable those independent operators are in the mid to long term anyway.

 

40 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

The only way to save the Ocean is to ban fishing and stop eating fish. If we thought the issues on land were bad, the sea is in a far, far, far worse state. The number of deadzones is growing rapidly - in real terms the sea's are already empty.

While we need sustainability, is it possible for such a ban to happen without causing famine issues in a lot of different places?

 

I would have thought fish farming to build controlled and sustainable stocks would be the best solution for the time being.

[BKLFox]

2 minutes ago, ramboacdc said:

Pain in the arse for a few places I went. Hungary and Montenegro stick out as 2 of them waiting over an hour

I guess Montenegro is an issue as non EU anyway, i drove through the borders Croatia/Monentegro & that was a bit of a mare but really down to the slowness of the officials rather than number of vehicles, it was like they wanted to see if you'd snap 

[Clogger_]

32 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Has anyone got any horror stories of being held at the non-EU gates behind massive Q's for hours at a time?
I've not once had any major issues despite travelling 2 or 3 times a year since Brexit & there are times when the non-Eu gate is quicker than EU, for example a few weeks ago with a trip to Italy there were 10 or so e-gates for non-EU when i got to them there was 4 people infront of me so 6 bays free i was straight through whilst looking over at the massive EU Q  backing up, this was Rome at 18:00hrs not a small out the way airport in the wee hours.

Nice annectode 

[SecretPro]

36 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

As per above, I'm not sure how muchmore sustainable those independent operators are in the mid to long term anyway.

 

While we need sustainability, is it possible for such a ban to happen without causing famine issues in a lot of different places?

 

I would have thought fish farming to build controlled and sustainable stocks would be the best solution for the time being.

Not really talking about indigenous peoples who lives wholly depend on fishing - they aren't the biggest consumers in the overfished areas - that's greedy westerners. Sustainability in fishing is an absolute myth, as proven by SeaSpiracy - how John West survived that documentary I'll never know, but putting words like 'sustainably sourced' or 'responsibly sourced' on tins of tuna should be illegal, because not a single gram of tuna is sustainably or responsibly sourced. Same with 'Dolphin Friendly'.

 

Fish farming - take a look at Scottish Salmon - absolutely horrendous and I wouldn't each that stuff if it was the last thing on earth. The actual fish is grim thanks to disease and lice and the environmental impacts are pretty disastrous too, and that's before we get onto the culling of seals etc to protecting farmed stock - a common concept on land now seemingly taking steps in the sea too - KILL EVERYTHING WHICH POTENTIALLY THREATENS OUR FOOD.

Edited 19 May 2025 by SecretPro

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

Empathy just oozing from every pore!

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, Md9 said:

Absolute horrible shi*** c*** these people and one of them deserve to be in charge of making decisions for other people . 

Which one is that?