Will Alves - loaned to Cardiff City

[RowlattsFox]

Would be nice to see more of his talents but most important thing is game time, then we can assess properly in pre-season and give him a chance in the squad next season. 

A top of league 1 loan would be have been better but then no guarantee he plays, doesn't appear teams were queuing to take him on. 

[Tommy G]

41 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Your two examples are a little extreme, Alli went onto score 18 goals in one season in the prem and was rated over £100m at 21 and Bellingham sold for 100m plus with add ons at 19.

I don’t think a 19 year old coming back from a serious injury that kept him out for 255 days and hadn’t played any league football before his loan is quite on the same trajectory.

It was merely two young players shining outside the premier league at a young age. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

He’s started three games and set up a nailed on goal. If he hadn’t have been injured he’d probably have a few more goal contributions by now - in a poor side too.

Similar numbers to Stephy last season and worse than Fatawu, the players he'll be competing with for the spot if he stays on the wings.

 

He's got time on his side compared to Mavididi at least.

[Stadt]

43 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Similar numbers to Stephy last season and worse than Fatawu, the players he'll be competing with for the spot if he stays on the wings.

 

He's got time on his side compared to Mavididi at least.

The sample size is just too small to compare them tbh. 10 games has to be the absolute floor for comparison. Alves I reckon will be around the 0.3 - 0.4 xG+xA per 90 mark which is absolutely fine for his age (and lack of minutes generally). I really wouldn't be surprised if he started over Mavididi next season.

[ParkerPen]

20 minutes ago, Stadt said:

The sample size is just too small to compare them tbh. 10 games has to be the absolute floor for comparison. Alves I reckon will be around the 0.3 - 0.4 xG+xA per 90 mark which is absolutely fine for his age (and lack of minutes generally). I really wouldn't be surprised if he started over Mavididi next season.

Its not just the sample size, its the fact the numbers for our players from last season are in the context of a successful team at the top of the league, vs a dog shit team

 

even if you ignore the physical condition / match fitness of Alves presently

[Ted Maul]

He hasn't had a reoccurrence of his injury- that's really the only thing that matters at the moment. Got to be looking long-term with him.

[baldeagle]

You’ve also got to think of the mental positives for him . I’m sure at times when he was out with his injury he may of thought he’d never be up to playing professionally again . Half a season of being in the physical championship will show him he can . 

[Dr The Singh]

I watched him play yesterday, he is so far from out first team.  He needs time.

[filbertway]

1 hour ago, Dr The Singh said:

I watched him play yesterday, he is so far from out first team.  He needs time.

 

Which of our high flying wide men do you think he looks miles off? Ayew? BDCR? Mav?

[Dr The Singh]

5 minutes ago, filbertway said:

 

Which of our high flying wide men do you think he looks miles off? Ayew? BDCR? Mav?

All of them. 

[Jobyfox]

1 hour ago, Dr The Singh said:

I watched him play yesterday, he is so far from out first team.  He needs time.

Good grief! He must be utter shite then!

 

Sell! 

[Soar Fox]

1 hour ago, Dr The Singh said:

I watched him play yesterday, he is so far from out first team.  He needs time.

I wouldn’t be against a loan move until January at a top end league one team next season. 
 

if he’s doing well we could always recall him. 

[davieG]

10 minutes ago, filbertway said:

 

Which of our high flying wide men do you think he looks miles off? Ayew? BDCR? Mav?

He's an attacking midfielder not a winger, he's playing there for Cardiff for a number of valid reasons

 

I'd have him over Soumare he'd at least look like he was awake and interested.

[Dr The Singh]

2 minutes ago, Jobyfox said:

Good grief! He must be utter shite then!

 

Sell! 

We have to remember Mavs was the messiah in the champoinship, he is garbage in the prem.  This kid needs time he is no where near as good as Mavs was in that shitty league

[filbertway]

2 minutes ago, davieG said:

He's an attacking midfielder not a winger, he's playing there for Cardiff for a number of valid reasons

 

I'd have him over Soumare he'd at least look like he was awake and interested.

Think he's capable of playing both isn't he. Certainly seem him play for our u21s/18s out wide and as an AM.

 

I'd fancy if you put Alves in there, you'd soon appreciate Soumare's physicality, even if he does only use it about 5% of the time

 

[Lambert09]

3 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

We have to remember Mavs was the messiah in the champoinship, he is garbage in the prem.  This kid needs time he is no where near as good as Mavs was in that shitty league

but as others have said, if the players around him are improved he might shine more. 

 

it’s impossible to say at this point but if he stays healthy and gets minutes we can take a good look in the summer. he doesn’t need to be as good as stephy or fatawu, he needs to be as good as yunus was. 

[Dr The Singh]

Just now, filbertway said:

Think he's capable of playing both isn't he. Certainly seem him play for our u21s/18s out wide and as an AM.

 

I'd fancy if you put Alves in there, you'd soon appreciate Soumare's physicality, even if he does only use it about 5% of the time

 

You must be his dad, comming up with that shite.  He isn't ready

[davieG]

1 minute ago, filbertway said:

Think he's capable of playing both isn't he. Certainly seem him play for our u21s/18s out wide and as an AM.

 

I'd fancy if you put Alves in there, you'd soon appreciate Soumare's physicality, even if he does only use it about 5% of the time

 

For now yes but I'd like to think his skills will eventually prevail.

[filbertway]

Just now, Dr The Singh said:

You must be his dad, comming up with that shite.  He isn't ready

What are you talking about you nutter?

 

I've said he plays across LW AM and RW and that Soumare is stronger than him

 

[LVFox]

Fatawu, Mavididi, Monga and Alves as wing options next year is the absolute dream

[Dr The Singh]

Just now, Lambert09 said:

but as others have said, if the players around him are improved he might shine more. 

 

it’s impossible to say at this point but if he stays healthy and gets minutes we can take a good look in the summer. he doesn’t need to be as good as stephy or fatawu, he needs to be as good as yunus was. 

What a wish list.  There is a reason. He isn't getting any traction at Cardiff, he needs time to develop.  L1 of you ask me

[Dr The Singh]

1 minute ago, filbertway said:

What are you talking about you nutter?

 

I've said he plays across LW AM and RW and that Soumare is stronger than him

 

you sure your not his dad

[Ric Flair]

27 minutes ago, LVFox said:

Fatawu, Mavididi, Monga and Alves as wing options next year is the absolute dream

And Evans.

 

Bring on a transfer embargo please but where we have to also sell/release any player on more than £50k a week. 

[Noahfence]

I’ve watched nearly every minute of his loan and before his injury he seemed to be getting better and more influential each game, especially Plymouth away before his injury. 
 

He definitely looks leggy since coming back and isn’t 100%. I know I’m biased because I rate him highly but the talent is there for sure. 
 

Cardiff are a seriously poor side too, anyone who’s watched them since he’s been there will agree. They don’t keep the ball for any longer than 10 seconds and I’m not exaggerating.

 

That injury has annoyingly disrupted him but the main thing is he wasn’t out too long. 
 

Also that Colwill might be the most frustrating player I’ve ever seen. Great athlete and can run all game but incredibly poor decision making. 

Edited 12 March by Noahfence

[ALC Fox]

Just playing actual senior football should be a big boost for him.

 

If he can come into our squad with (hopefully) better players around him, he should develop quite quickly.