Managerial replacements

[Wink84]

10 hours ago, moore_94 said:

I can’t see us paying £5m for Rohl

 

It will either be someone out of a job or someone cheap

And then end up over paying for players (Skipp) in transfer fees and wages (Coady and the rest).. so frustrating 

[splinterdream]

18 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

What we need is for Top to drop this idea the wants to be like Man City…. Hire a young talented coach and let them decide how they want to play. Stop interfering with the team and leave football to those who actually understand it. 

yes, he needs to realise he he has very little footballing knowledge. he needs to have footballing people to advise him, and thats not Rudkin and Whelan

[CosbehFox]

10 hours ago, dannythefox said:

Who you fancy then? Dyche would off us some stability, he’s bags of experience and you know what we’re getting. 

Rohl or someone in that profile of a younger manager leaning his trade.
 

The club needs to commit to a medium to long term prospect rather than a quick fix. 
 

Dyche is the acrow prop of the stability angle. Ugly but does a job temporarily. 
 

We know the difficulties of the leagues and how the PL is an increasing fcking waste of time, so let’s have some fun with and develop our own in the process 

[dannythefox]

10 hours ago, markko said:

Not Dyche. Not now. We are going down. I want to enjoy going to see Leicester again, not being bored to death. We need someone youngish and forward thinking. I know the premier league is the Pinnacle but this season has been nothing short of awful.

Yet you can’t name anyone 🤷🏼‍♂️

[dannythefox]

11 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Rohl or someone in that profile of a younger manager leaning his trade.
 

The club needs to commit to a medium to long term prospect rather than a quick fix. 
 

Dyche is the acrow prop of the stability angle. Ugly but does a job temporarily. 
 

We know the difficulties of the leagues and how the PL is an increasing fcking waste of time, so let’s have some fun with and develop our own in the process 

Oh right so you want someone who’s never got promoted then and hasn’t a clue about managing high end championship or premier league. The idea is nice but the gamble is too high. We need experience and someone who’s done it. You’ll do very well to fall on a young manager who’s going to take us back the prem.

[fox_up_north]

Some bloke called Enzo Maresca did ok

[Old Fox]

We 100% need experience and someone who can build a team capable of going up and staying up - a manager who has experience in doing this and who has an aura of authority like NFP - the most obvious one and has a point to prove is Dyche if he would come and I would snatch your hand off for him leading our football team. We would have an identity that’s start with hard work and organisation plus we would not watch idiots like Faes and VK as he wants proper defenders !

[Lionator]

If we were going to go for Rohl, it should’ve been after Cooper went. It’s too late now. 

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, Lionator said:

If we were going to go for Rohl, it should’ve been after Cooper went. It’s too late now. 

Why? They’re probably not going up this season. Why would it be impossible to get him?

[ClaphamFox]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

Rohl or someone in that profile of a younger manager leaning his trade.
 

The club needs to commit to a medium to long term prospect rather than a quick fix. 
 

Dyche is the acrow prop of the stability angle. Ugly but does a job temporarily. 
 

We know the difficulties of the leagues and how the PL is an increasing fcking waste of time, so let’s have some fun with and develop our own in the process 

Exactly. If we still had a realistic chance of staying up and needed a temporary fix to get us over the line, there would be a case to be made for Dyche. But as we’ll definitely be playing in the Championship next season and will desperately be in need of a complete fresh start, we will need a tactically intelligent manager with a long-term blueprint. That clearly rules Dyche out. 

Edited 24 February by ClaphamFox

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, dannythefox said:

Oh right so you want someone who’s never got promoted then and hasn’t a clue about managing high end championship or premier league. The idea is nice but the gamble is too high. We need experience and someone who’s done it. You’ll do very well to fall on a young manager who’s going to take us back the prem.

I want someone who has the ability to construct a team and has the ability to keep a team up without resorting to signing players from the same pool of complete bleugh. Like Thomas Frank did with Brentford. Rather than settling for a relegation battle every season 

Edited 24 February by CosbehFox

[CosbehFox]

We are at the stage where coming back in 25/26 would do us no favours 

[markko]

1 hour ago, dannythefox said:

Yet you can’t name anyone 🤷🏼‍♂️

What I can say is that Dyche has been around a long time. I know what he would bring to us. I would not have been against him at the time Ruud appointed. Not now. The club needs a more long term rebuild. I think I said Robins would be one I would go for.

[dannythefox]

11 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

I want someone who has the ability to construct a team and has the ability to keep a team up without resorting to signing players from the same pool of complete bleugh. Like Thomas Frank did with Brentford. Rather than settling for a relegation battle every season 

It would be nice but we’ll do well to find anyone like that. 

[BenTheFox]

12 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

We are at the stage where coming back in 25/26 would do us no favours 

You say that, but it becomes even more difficult to get promoted when parachute payments runout. 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

We need to take a step back here and not think about having anything other than a ‘yes man’ manager.

 

There is absolutely no point in appointing a manager who will make demands on staff, transfers, youth development, training etc.  Whilst we have this ownership structure, anything other than a toe the line type will just result in problems.

 

 

[Tommy G]

The manager doesn’t matter while we still have Rudkin as DoF. 
 

It’s like trying to make a cake without the eggs. 

[CosbehFox]

25 minutes ago, dannythefox said:

It would be nice but we’ll do well to find anyone like that. 

 

Let's not give up on the ambition of it though. 

 

19 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

You say that, but it becomes even more difficult to get promoted when parachute payments runout. 

Excellent point - yet we are in this bizarre point where you feel giving ourselves more money is counter productive. We are like a gambling addict. It might push the club into cutting the wage bill far more dramatically. 

Edited 24 February by CosbehFox

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

Why? They’re probably not going up this season. Why would it be impossible to get him?

I was thinking more when he would’ve had a bigger impact. 

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, dannythefox said:

Oh right so you want someone who’s never got promoted then and hasn’t a clue about managing high end championship or premier league. The idea is nice but the gamble is too high. We need experience and someone who’s done it. You’ll do very well to fall on a young manager who’s going to take us back the prem.

It helps having parachute payments for both experienced and up and coming managers. Whoever the manager is next season should be set the target of promotion and failure to do so would require some explaining.

 

But we shouldn't solely base our plans on promotion at the 1st time of asking and worry about what we do in the future once we're up as it won't work. So that's why fans want to see and hear a proper plan with someone who can build and progress which is more logically done with an up and coming manager who's got a potential higher ceiling.

 

Take Scott Parker for example, if he gets Burnley up and leaves, I'd still not want him despite 3 promotions with 3 different clubs. Reason being, and then what? We're relying on the club to be proactive to kick us on once back up but I don't trust that. Without major change off the field, which is needed anyway, but without that then at the very least we need to strike gold with a managerwhos on a trajectory to the big time.

[l444ry]

Martin O'Neill's side was called "boring" and watching Nigel Pearson's side was hardly "entertaining" but both rank as two of our best ever Managers. Dyche would be a perfect fit for us in my opinion as he has climbed mountains on a shoestring at every club he's been at. Most of his critics are just repeating what they've been told about him rather than investigate the circumstaces he's worked under. Just hope that whoever the club do decide on, they ditch the fckn tippy tappy pound shop Pep bore fest we've endured in recent times. 

[LVFox]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Take Scott Parker for example, if he gets Burnley up and leaves, I'd still not want him despite 3 promotions with 3 different clubs. Reason being, and then what? We're relying on the club to be proactive to kick us on once back up but I don't trust that. Without major change off the field, which is needed anyway, but without that then at the very least we need to strike gold with a managerwhos on a trajectory to the big time.

Agree with the logic on this, and to me it's why we should be looking at Dyche.

 

We need to get back up, and stay up. That's either by changing style to grind results out in the Premier League, or you bring in someone who's tactically advanced (like Leeds did with Bielsa).

[Ricey]

25 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Martin O'Neill's side was called "boring" and watching Nigel Pearson's side was hardly "entertaining" but both rank as two of our best ever Managers. Dyche would be a perfect fit for us in my opinion as he has climbed mountains on a shoestring at every club he's been at. Most of his critics are just repeating what they've been told about him rather than investigate the circumstaces he's worked under. Just hope that whoever the club do decide on, they ditch the fckn tippy tappy pound shop Pep bore fest we've endured in recent times. 

It's such a fallacy that Dyche has to play his style because of the budgets he has worked under. At Burnley Kompany got them playing Pep-style football almost instantly and Moyes has got Everton scoring and looking dangerous going forward.

 

It's not a straight choice between Pep/Maresca possession football and Sean Dyche deep, defensive set piece football. There is plenty of nuance in between and it's within that nuance that lives styles of player that may suit us in the Championship AND the Premier League if we go back up. 

[l444ry]

1 minute ago, Ricey said:

It's such a fallacy that Dyche has to play his style because of the budgets he has worked under. At Burnley Kompany got them playing Pep-style football almost instantly and Moyes has got Everton scoring and looking dangerous going forward.

 

It's not a straight choice between Pep/Maresca possession football and Sean Dyche deep, defensive set piece football. There is plenty of nuance in between and it's within that nuance that lives styles of player that may suit us in the Championship AND the Premier League if we go back up. 

Agree with you but that's not really what I'm saying. What I am saying is that what Dyche has achieved has been done despite financial constraints, inferior players and generally working with one hand tied behind his back. Who knows what he'd be like if he had a few quid to spare. The Pep comment is just a personal one. I get to almost the away games and travel back thinking thank fck for that bottle of wine.

[goose2010]

Damien Duff - worth a risk, he is no nonsense and is all about discipline which we have zero of.