Next Manager

[teblin]

1 minute ago, Sankey93 said:

Let’s be honest most up and coming manager that we get who will succeed will jump at the first chance they get! We’re a stepping stone unfortunately. 

But people will look at Enzo and maybe take a risk as we should be top end champ.

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, Sankey93 said:

Of the apparent list my number one would be Danny Rohl. But I keep saying it every week we need to go for Henrik Rydstrom!

13th with 11 highest budget 

meh

[HankMarvin]

8 minutes ago, teblin said:

But people will look at Enzo and maybe take a risk as we should be top end champ.

Totally different for enzo

relegated once, established prem team 9 years.

 

this time looks a totally less attractive proposition, second relegation in 3 seasons. Car crash of a season. More questions in the public domain about the discontent with the hierarchy.

More restrictive PSR coming 

 

 

Edited 22 April by HankMarvin

[lanefox]

Kjetil Knutsen

Henrik Rydstrom

Danny Rhol

[Sankey93]

6 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

13th with 11 highest budget 

meh

The squad he’s got is abysmal tho and he hasn’t had much money to spend since he’s been there and had to deal with a lot of shit. Staff and players not getting paid there owner is a complete idiot.

[funkyrobot]

9 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

Sorry, but that is completely irrelevant. Their fans are happier that things are going well under a manager who is well out of reach for us. I mean, so what? Everton would have gone down had they not appointed Dyche when they did. Also, Moyes and Everton are still somewhat in the honeymoon period. Don't forget he had times at West Ham where he looked like it was over for him. Just before the 2022 world cup, a lot of West Ham fans wanted him gone. 

It’s absolutely not irrelevant that a new manager has gone in and tuned Everton’s form absolutely on its head over an extended period of this season. That’s not to say Moyes is an expansive modern coach but his Everton team play with far more guile and intent than Dyche’s Everton.
 

We don’t need a manager to stave off relegation now, we need a manager that will suit the style of play of the majority of the players we will still have in our first team and those coming from our development team next season. Dyche’s physical, direct defensive football is definitely not a good match so it won’t get the results he had with the squad he’d built at Burnley. 

[Sankey93]

12 minutes ago, teblin said:

But people will look at Enzo and maybe take a risk as we should be top end champ.

We will Be top end of the championship next season with the players we will have. 

[Blue ROI]

20 minutes ago, teblin said:

From a fans perspective is there anyone that everyone would be behind?

 

I guess it would have to be a similar approach to Enzo(not style of play), someone promising with minimal baggage.

If you were going by our last few 'risings' then a manager like Little, O'Neil or Pearson would do quite nicely.

 

Granted the football may not have been to everyone's tastes but they maxed us out I would argue.

 

This would probably point to a Dyche ot Carsley rather than a Maresca type but maybe we might need to go back to basics and build from there.

 

I'll be waiting for sean from enderby to reveal all!

[Leicesterpool]

Another name to consider is Slavisa Jokanovic, done a decent job at Fulham a few seasons in terms of building and developing them.

[Sankey93]

10 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said:

Another name to consider is Slavisa Jokanovic, done a decent job at Fulham a few seasons in terms of building and developing them.

He failed miserably at Sheffield United tho if I remember rightly!

[smudgerfox]

8 hours ago, davieG said:

 

If we want to go back to basics and rebuild for a future top 10 PL position ala Vichai then I think Dyche is the last Manager you want.

Davie - we are a million miles from a top 10 PL side right now. Id say at least five years and minimum three managers..And that assumes we take no major backward steps…

 

First and foremost the finances need sorting because they are constantly undermining team and club building right now..

 

We need someone who can do that and we need a director of football who can find talent for next to nothing and we need a manager with the experience and resilience to progress the club without throwing money at it. 
 

And we desperately need people in those three positions who wont jump ship when a more exciting offer comes along. 

[BenTheFox]

22 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

It’s absolutely not irrelevant that a new manager has gone in and tuned Everton’s form absolutely on its head over an extended period of this season. That’s not to say Moyes is an expansive modern coach but his Everton team play with far more guile and intent than Dyche’s Everton.
 

We don’t need a manager to stave off relegation now, we need a manager that will suit the style of play of the majority of the players we will still have in our first team and those coming from our development team next season. Dyche’s physical, direct defensive football is definitely not a good match so it won’t get the results he had with the squad he’d built at Burnley. 

It is irrelevant because the calibre of manager they've got is well out of reach for a club that have just been relegated to the championship. Let's not be fooled by a manager coming in and doing well in the early stages of a job (he's still only been there for four months!). He will have a rough patch and there will be people that turn against him. 

 

Dyche's ceiling is hovering above the relegation zone in the premier league, but if he was able to achieve that with us I'd be delighted at this stage. 

 

I do actually think we could field a starting 11 in the championship from the players that we have that could somewhat resemble a Sean Dyche team. 

 

The prospect of appointing Sean Dyche is not a particularly appetising one, I get it. More than anything, I think he wouldn't tolerate any nonsense from the players and we would have a team that is honest abd hardworking. That's how low the ****ing bar is right now. 

[HankMarvin]

53 minutes ago, Sankey93 said:

The squad he’s got is abysmal tho and he hasn’t had much money to spend since he’s been there and had to deal with a lot of shit. Staff and players not getting paid there owner is a complete idiot.

Im sure the a majority of the clubs with less of a wage bill feels it’s superior to theirs. 

“8/1 start of season 

talk of play offs 

and they were active in the window to push on the previous seasons strong finish”

 

 

[dsr-burnley]

1 hour ago, BenTheFox said:

Dyche's ceiling is hovering above the relegation zone in the premier league, but if he was able to achieve that with us I'd be delighted at this stage. 

 

Dyche's best performance with Burnley was finishing 7th in 2017-18 and qualifying for Europe.  True, he only had one other top ten finish, 2019-20.  Unfortunately by then the chairman had stopped investing on players, and by the time Dyche got sacked Burnley FC had £80m in the bank.  (Now we have negative £60m because the outgoing chairman took it all with him and replaced it with an IOU from the incoming, skint chairman).

 

He only had two full seasons at Championship level with Burnley.  2013-14, P46 W26 D15 L5, F72 A37, 93 points, second.  2015-16 P46 W26 D15 L5, F72 A35, 93 points, first.

 

The first of those seasons, we had finished 11th the year before under Eddie Howe and were forced to sell our only saleable asset, Charlie Austin.  All Dyche could sign were free transfers from Bristol City, Huddersfield, and Wiigan.  (Admittedly they were Tom Heaton, Scott Arfield, and David Jones, and a better free-transfer window there has never been.)

 

And as Leicester supporters know perfectly well, if you have a side less inclined to fanny about at the back and more inclined to get the ball to your goalscorer in prime position, and it wins you the league, it is entertaining.  

 

Incidentally, for those who think he isn't the man to build, in his first PL season he demanded that his transfer budget be reduced and the money spent on a new training ground (cost £11m, incidentally).  He was not happy that the first PL promotion had done nothing for the club infrastructure.

Edited 22 April by dsr-burnley

[KFS]

Will Still

[The Horse's Mouth]

I’ll get pelters for this but genuinely wouldn’t mind Nathan jones, done a great job at Charlton and is a complete nutcase 

[Bluearmyfox28]

I’m quite surprised by people’s reactions on here regarding the shortlist, I personally think it’s a better shortlist than we had when Enzo left! I’ve seen mixed reactions regarding wanting a coach or wanting a manager in charge. One thing we all agree on is we need to blood in the youth, to improve youth often you need a good coach, something to consider.
 

Genuine links seem to point to Fabregas, Martin, Carsley & Rohl. I could go more into detail on all 4 but here’s a short overview. 

 

Fabregas - I don’t think he gets the credit he deserves for the job he’s done at Como. Yes they spend money but that doesn’t buy identity and they aren’t spending PSG type money. He’s very similar to Enzo in terms of identity but more aggressive in getting the ball into the final 3rd, with a back 4 in build up rather than 3. His interview with Lineker is also very insightful.
 

Martin - Strangely, Martin is my least favourite which is strange considering he’s the only one that’s got the job done to “the promise land”. Southampton’s squad was no way near good enough to stay up this year, however, based on how Southampton performed in the championship was impressive. They had the biggest overhaul of all teams and were selling key players even during the start of the season. For the championship I trust he would get the job done. 
 

 

Carsley - I honestly believe Carsley is hugely underrated. So many players that are having great success in the premier league speak very highly of Carsley which as fans we shouldn’t ignore. He plays free flowing attacking football, empathising movement in the final 3rd and allowing players freedom to showcase themselves. Carsley focuses a lot on finding connections in 2/3 players helping link up play and focusing on individual strengths. Call me crazy but he’s one of my favourites. There is questions defensively however due to committing to many men forward. 
 

 

Rohl - The job he’s done at Wednesday can’t be ignored with the recent criticism he’s coming under. Of all managers shortlisted, Rohl focuses least on possession. Rohl demands a lot from his players, empathising a huge amount on pressing from the front, with the aim of trapping opponents in their own half and then loading the box with players to get on the end of chances. Whether this how Rohl wants his teams to play or not is unclear due to the lack of quality his side has, but he has installed a fighting mentality in the side.  
 

 

Apologies for the long post, but just short descriptions for anyone interested. I doubt anyone’s interested but if anyone wants a more detailed account on the above then I can. My personal favourites are Carsley and Fabregas.

 

Edited 22 April by Bluearmyfox28

[Ryanlcfc3]

Outside of the box here. Bo Svensson who is available.

Philosophy - Direct pressing, intense vertical play, with well-coordinated compact blocks. Sets up with 3-4-2-1 formation.

His Mainz side was one of the Bundesliga’s most tenacious pressing units. Svensson also comes from the Red Bull coaching tree, like Marco Rose and Jesse Marsch. His stint ended poorly, but the foundations were strong. A proper sporting director that we urgently need could reignite his career.

[JimJams]

Why are people so keen on Dyche making the assumption he'd stabilise us in the Prem when he's had Everton flirting with relegation all season and looking as bad as us only for Moyes to take that same squad up to 13th (currently), well clear of danger and light years ahead of whatever SD was showing with them?

If we get back up then it's highly likely we'll have a worse squad than the ones he's had teetering on the brink of the drop.

He's not this sure thing people are making him out to be.

Sure, he talks like he's had concrete for breakfast, but that doesn't really help...

[davieG]

2 hours ago, smudgerfox said:

Davie - we are a million miles from a top 10 PL side right now. Id say at least five years and minimum three managers..And that assumes we take no major backward steps…

 

First and foremost the finances need sorting because they are constantly undermining team and club building right now..

 

We need someone who can do that and we need a director of football who can find talent for next to nothing and we need a manager with the experience and resilience to progress the club without throwing money at it. 
 

And we desperately need people in those three positions who wont jump ship when a more exciting offer comes along. 

I agree that’s why I said ala Vishal. Sadly if you’re looking for the best up and coming options in any role they’ll likely leave. 

[Sly]

So I’ve seen articles this morning linking us to:

 

Russel Martin

Lee Carsley

Cesc Fabregas

Sean Dyche

Danny Rohl

No smoke without fire.

[jayfox26]

6 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

13th with 11 highest budget 

meh

In terms of wage bill they are 11th, which surprised me to be honest, but in terms for transfers they are 21st. I think Rohl has done a good job under a dreadful owner. Sheff Wed fans love him. I can't see us getting a manager that we have to pay compo for anyway, it'll be a freebie so the links to the likes of Carsley and Martin make sense even though they aren't inspiring appointments. 

[ClaphamFox]

45 minutes ago, Sly said:

So I’ve seen articles this morning linking us to:

 

Russel Martin

Lee Carsley

Cesc Fabregas

Sean Dyche

Danny Rohl

No smoke without fire.

What a time to be alive 

[Claudio Fannieri]

7 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

Totally different for enzo

relegated once, established prem team 9 years.

 

this time looks a totally less attractive proposition, second relegation in 3 seasons. Car crash of a season. More questions in the public domain about the discontent with the hierarchy.

More restrictive PSR coming 

 

 

Plus pre Enzo, it was only Rodgers who was alleging he had been given false assurances over transfer funds, so was always open for debate, since then you can add Enzo and Ruud to the list, it isn’t a good look and will definitely mean certain managers may well be put off and we may not be seen as that attractive a proposition. 

[LCFCJohn]

Let’s be honest, there is no appointment that will be great because whoever comes in has both hands tied behind their back by the incompetence above.

 

We need someone who can effectively run the club as well as manage it like Nigel did. He did the job of DoF as well as manager and held Vichai and Top’s hands through it all and made them look good.

 

Im not sure where we find that again so we might get someone who gets us promoted, or playing a way that fans like but it won’t be long term sustainable.

 

In normal circumstances, the Carsley shout would be a good one but he is inexperienced so would need a DoF working above him which we don’t have in reality, only in name.

 

I’d be inclined towards Rohl if we could purely because he is working for one of the two clubs I would say are worse run than us (Reading being the other) in the EFL and has done a very good job considering. But even then, Wednesday fans have some criticisms such as signings. Based on above, we are probably finding that signings will be driven by the manager so if Rohl doesn’t have a good eye in this sense, maybe not.

 

So yeah, no idea but massively deflated about whoever it is already because they have an unrealistic job on their hands.