Premier League has charged LCFC with an alleged breach of PSR

[Grebfromgrebland]

25 minutes ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

For context Brentford have been paying Mbeumo less than we were paying Danny Ward.

 

Our top earners should be on around £50k max.

Brentford haven't won the leaague, fa cup etc etc in the last decade

[BKLFox]

44 minutes ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

For context Brentford have been paying Mbeumo less than we were paying Danny Ward.

 

Our top earners should be on around £50k max.

& the reason he will leave them for Man U 

[tylesta]

5 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

& the reason he will leave them for Man U 

And the reason our players leave on free transfers

[filbertway]

15 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

& the reason he will leave them for Man U 

Which is fine, you then just sign another Mbeumo.

 

I expect he'll lose all motivation after being massively overpaid and become a bit part player that ends up being shipped out or leaving on a free at the end of his deal.

[BKLFox]

5 minutes ago, tylesta said:

And the reason our players leave on free transfers

that as maybe but timing of contracts & club position & situations all have a bearing on wages, at the time of Mbeumo joining Brentford 2019 he was an unknown & they were in the Championship, him renewing his contract in the 2022 season with Brentford would have seen a wages increase to the 45k for his part in getting them promoted & staying there, that was a 4yr deal. So given their success of remaining in a mid-table position & his rise as a top player it was always going to be this next contract (2026) that will see his wages explode even if he stayed with Brentford

[BKLFox]

49 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Which is fine, you then just sign another Mbeumo.

 

I expect he'll lose all motivation after being massively overpaid and become a bit part player that ends up being shipped out or leaving on a free at the end of his deal.

Kinda fits in with my last comment, Mbeumo’s replacement will be signing for an established Premier league side and therefore will have the luxury of pushing premier league wages which Brentford will now offer.

An example of this is 22yr old Aaron Hickey who this year signed a new contract and such was their will to keep him he is reportedly now earning 70k pw up from 35k 

[Lambert09]

16 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Kinda fits in with my last comment, Mbeumo’s replacement will be signing for an established Premier league side and therefore will have the luxury of pushing premier league wages which Brentford will now offer.

An example of this is 22yr old Aaron Hickey who this year signed a new contract and such was their will to keep him he is reportedly now earning 70k pw up from 35k 

It’s exactly when we hit this stage that we switched form the Aaron hickey type signings to the vestergarde type ones. 
 

They can either go for established pros and be the last resort option for players well known like we were, or you keep tapping the hidden market. 

Edited 5 June 2025 by Lambert09

[Jazzy_Jeff]

3 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Brentford haven't won the leaague, fa cup etc etc in the last decade

The comparison is he’s their best player (probably) and Ward was our 4th choice keeper 

[urban.spaceman]

7 minutes ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

The comparison is he’s their best player (probably) and Ward was our 4th choice keeper 

He was our second choice keeper behind Kasper between 2018-2022, spent half a season as our number 1 before Stolarczyk took his place in 22/23. 

[Philkeavo]

Martin Samuel writing in today’s Sunday Times.

 

Leicester victims of PSR quadruple jeopardy

 

Leicester City would like to make a managerial change; that much seems obvious. Ruud van Nistelrooy won four league matches in his tenure, two of which came after relegation, against teams that, like Leicester, were already down. They cannot move, however, because of Profitability and Sustainability Rules (PSR). Leicester already fear a vindictive 12-point deduction in the Championship next season, and paying off Van Nistelrooy would make their financial predicament worse. Any player who may be considered an asset, such as goalkeeper Mads Hermansen, will have to be sold, weakening them further. Russell Martin, considered a managerial target, has now taken the job at Rangers, and there is a worry that two other candidates, Danny Röhl, of Sheffield Wednesday, and Sean Dyche, may be lost to them too.

 

Leicester erred with Van Nistelrooy, and that’s what PSR does — it cements mistakes in place, with no second chances. So Leicester will be relegated, suffer a points deduction in the league below and conduct a fire sale of what little talent the club do possess, while being stuck with a manager who has shown little aptitude for the job. No one is arguing the club have not been run poorly, but PSR ensures they get no opportunity to change course. This isn’t double jeopardy, it’s quadruple jeopardy. It is almost as if the Premier League won’t rest until it kills a club, just to show it can.

[two8two]

That last sentence says it all, the PL won’t rest til it’s squeezed the life out of us.

[LCFCJohn]

It’s true what he says about the PL wanting to destroy clubs like ours.

 

But, we have had plenty of opportunities to change course, even if it set us back in the short term. We have chosen to carry on down this path. That part can’t be blamed on the authorities.

[Philkeavo]

1 minute ago, LCFCJohn said:

It’s true what he says about the PL wanting to destroy clubs like ours.

 

But, we have had plenty of opportunities to change course, even if it set us back in the short term. We have chosen to carry on down this path. That part can’t be blamed on the authorities.

I agree, Martin Samuel has consistently railed against PSR. It is a good article but I think it gives Top, Rudkin and Whelan some unjustified cover. Their management of the club in past three years has been calamitous.

[Corky]

This is fully on us. We appointed two managers on three year contracts within six months, neither of whom were the right fit or good enough. We obviously didn't put clauses in to save money when we wanted to move them on.

 

 

 

 

[sylofox]

On 04/06/2025 at 20:38, Fox85 said:

Has anyone else seen this?

 

Look at Leicesters net spend compared to the rest of the premier league over the last 5 years.

 

How can we even be close to breaching ever.

 

On 04/06/2025 at 20:41, coolhandfox said:

Need to factor in wages as transfer fees are only half of the story 

So the other clubs don't pay wages?

 

I know we pay a stupid amount for a none big six club.

 

But fairly safe to say Chelsea UTD and Man C all pay way more than we do.

[coolhandfox]

13 minutes ago, sylofox said:

 

So the other clubs don't pay wages?

 

I know we pay a stupid amount for a none big six club.

 

But fairly safe to say Chelsea UTD and Man C all pay way more than we do.

Obviously, but they have the income to pay for it, our wage bill has at time been more than our income.

 

 

Edited 8 June 2025 by coolhandfox

[Vlad the Fox]

29 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

It’s true what he says about the PL wanting to destroy clubs like ours.

 

But, we have had plenty of opportunities to change course, even if it set us back in the short term. We have chosen to carry on down this path. That part can’t be blamed on the authorities.

I feel the two can be separate, psr is an absolute disgrace and is ruining clubs and competition. We can’t spend to get out of trouble because of these restrictive rules. Even if the club put out a statement saying “we see our mistakes, this is what we are going to do about it” they still can’t do anything to correct these mistakes because of psr. As I’ve said before it’s stopping unscrupulous owners running clubs into the ground at the expense of allowing the epl and efl to run clubs into the ground instead.
 

On the other hand the way the club has been run over the last few seasons is a disgrace as well, maybe not helped by psr, but even without psr we should absolutely be calling out the club and demanding change too.

 

The whole fvcking lot is a disgrace and is killing football.

[Claudio Fannieri]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

It’s true what he says about the PL wanting to destroy clubs like ours.

 

But, we have had plenty of opportunities to change course, even if it set us back in the short term. We have chosen to carry on down this path. That part can’t be blamed on the authorities.

I agree the rules are farcical. However the rules didn’t force us to appoint Cooper or RVN or spaff millions on shite like Skipp, Ayew, BDCR & Eduaord. The rules are frustrating and definitely in place to protect the big six but let’s not kid ourselves we have been masters of our own downfall with clueless decision making that has had catastrophic consequences to our club. 

[LCFCJohn]

44 minutes ago, Vlad the Fox said:

I feel the two can be separate, psr is an absolute disgrace and is ruining clubs and competition. We can’t spend to get out of trouble because of these restrictive rules. Even if the club put out a statement saying “we see our mistakes, this is what we are going to do about it” they still can’t do anything to correct these mistakes because of psr. As I’ve said before it’s stopping unscrupulous owners running clubs into the ground at the expense of allowing the epl and efl to run clubs into the ground instead.
 

On the other hand the way the club has been run over the last few seasons is a disgrace as well, maybe not helped by psr, but even without psr we should absolutely be calling out the club and demanding change too.

 

The whole fvcking lot is a disgrace and is killing football.

I agree. I have said before, it’s not a case of blaming one or the other. PSR is a joke but also not to blame for the depths we have gone to to fall apart.

[LCFCJohn]

6 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I agree the rules are farcical. However the rules didn’t force us to appoint Cooper or RVN or spaff millions on shite like Skipp, Ayew, BDCR & Eduaord. The rules are frustrating and definitely in place to protect the big six but let’s not kid ourselves we have been masters of our own downfall with clueless decision making that has had catastrophic consequences to our club. 

Again, I agree. PSR is a joke and stops us and clubs like us competing at the top. 
 

But it doesn’t legislate for where we have ended up and is a convenient excuse for those running the club and those defending them.

[coolhandfox]

It simply to keep a cartel at the top table! 

 

 

[davieG]

PSR is a barrier to the top 6 but has nothing to do with being relegated 2 seasons in 3.

 

You only penetrate the top 6 when 1 or more of the Rich 6 falters.

[Blue ROI]

If psr keeps going the way it is then the other major European Leagues will benefit as it will become less appealing to join 2/3s of the teams in the Premier League.

 

That doesn't excuse the appalling mess of the club run by Top though 

 

 

[Vlad the Fox]

2 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Again, I agree. PSR is a joke and stops us and clubs like us competing at the top. 
 

But it doesn’t legislate for where we have ended up and is a convenient excuse for those running the club and those defending them.

Exactly, the club shouldn’t be allowed to use it to hide from their own mistakes. 

[coolhandfox]

11 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I agree the rules are farcical. However the rules didn’t force us to appoint Cooper or RVN or spaff millions on shite like Skipp, Ayew, BDCR & Eduaord. The rules are frustrating and definitely in place to protect the big six but let’s not kid ourselves we have been masters of our own downfall with clueless decision making that has had catastrophic consequences to our club. 

Without the threat of points deduction do you not think we could have recuited better? 

 

Without the PSR doom hangover us we could have spent during the summer window of 22/23 and regenerated the squad.