Cifuentes OUT

[Chelmofox]

18 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

Yes MC could be doing better but the reality is, during the promotion season two years ago, Vardy and KDH provided 60 goal/assists and Hermanson saved 10 more goals. Daka and Skip have provided 2 goal/ assists this season whilst the goalkeeper is saving less. The squad is so much weaker with no money for replacements. Plus the potential points deduction is making us a less attractive club to join. MC has gone through all of the permutations in player selection including the latest in Aluko but the squad is simply not good enough in terms of quality and physicality. This season and beyond will be transitional until the over paid players leave and the academy players develop.

Did Hermansen save 10 more goals, or was out GD better by 10 ? Its a very important distinction, because in the first phase of the Enzo season everything clicked for the perspective of controlling the game, and we conceded very little. But i never attributed this to Mads making 10 more saves than Jakub. From memory, our stats this season have seen us create very little and concede a huge number of shots. We aren't controlling anything.

 

2nd half of the Enzo season was a very different story mind you.

[The Year Of The Fox]

4 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

@The Year Of The Fox will have a field day when he sees them 

Link me up 

[Ric Flair]

My prediction is that when Cifuentes invariably gets the boot. King will get the gig for the rest of the season and he brings Bruno Berner in alongside him as we move in to the Frank Burrows and Gerry Taggart phase of our panic.

[Gamble92]

3 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Get used to it…. If he’s here it will happen. 
 

If Marti is still here and loses our next game, I don’t think we will pick up another point under him. I think the dressing room isn’t having him, and the body language on Tuesday night for me just further highlighted it. 

Don't tell me to get used to losing to Derby pal

[Sunbury Fox]

11 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Did Hermansen save 10 more goals, or was out GD better by 10 ? Its a very important distinction, because in the first phase of the Enzo season everything clicked for the perspective of controlling the game, and we conceded very little. But i never attributed this to Mads making 10 more saves than Jakub. From memory, our stats this season have seen us create very little and concede a huge number of shots. We aren't controlling anything.

 

2nd half of the Enzo season was a very different story mind you.

Just checked Sofascore and discovered that Jakub and Begovic combined have prevented 5.5 goals over what would be expected. That is the highest of any team in the league. 

[Chelmofox]

28 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

Just checked Sofascore and discovered that Jakub and Begovic combined have prevented 5.5 goals over what would be expected. That is the highest of any team in the league. 

Yes, my non data driven gut feel is that our keepers this season have been worked far harder than Mads was 1st half of Enzo season. We have continued the pattern we set in the Premier League. 

[izzymuzzet]

Personally think unless we look in genuine danger of relegation Cifuentes gets until the end of the season. I'm not opposed to this on the basis that:

 

1. Mid season changes in manager haven't really worked out for us in recent years.

2. We're not going to spend much in January so it will be the same squad. 

3. We're unlikely to get automatic promotion with a points deduction looming.

4. I'm not sure I want us to get promoted with the squad in the state that it is. 

5. I want to see us build for the future. If Cifuentes continues to play Nelson, Aluko, Monga and bring in a couple of other academy players through the season he'll have my support even if we're not competing at the top of the league.

 

I'm not at all convinced by him so far but would rather make a clear judgement at the end of the season. 

[Happy Fox]

14 minutes ago, izzymuzzet said:

Personally think unless we look in genuine danger of relegation Cifuentes gets until the end of the season. I'm not opposed to this on the basis that:

 

1. Mid season changes in manager haven't really worked out for us in recent years.

2. We're not going to spend much in January so it will be the same squad. 

3. We're unlikely to get automatic promotion with a points deduction looming.

4. I'm not sure I want us to get promoted with the squad in the state that it is. 

5. I want to see us build for the future. If Cifuentes continues to play Nelson, Aluko, Monga and bring in a couple of other academy players through the season he'll have my support even if we're not competing at the top of the league.

 

I'm not at all convinced by him so far but would rather make a clear judgement at the end of the season. 

What clear judgement do you need? he’s shite mate, hasn’t got the credentials to be a anything more than best a lower mid table championship manager , we need better it’s as simple as that, but I don’t expect the charlatans in charge to have the ability to get anyone in until to late as per usual.

[izzymuzzet]

2 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

What clear judgement do you need? he’s shite mate, hasn’t got the credentials to be a anything more than best a lower mid table championship manager , we need better it’s as simple as that, but I don’t expect the charlatans in charge to have the ability to get anyone in until to late as per usual.

Think I've explained my thinking in the rest of my post. 

[Happy Fox]

Just now, izzymuzzet said:

Think I've explained my thinking in the rest of my post. 

He won’t play the academy players on a consistent basis , he’s seemingly shifted Monga for Silko Thomas  honestly I am really baffled that people think things will be okay with Marti in charge for the foreseeable future. Yes Marti isn’t the main problem and it’s our incompetent leadership, but we still have a core of players that should be doing better in this league imo.

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Link me up 

It’s Leicester City FC (not the official club one) and there is a post about Marti, Rudkin and KP, who should go. Of course they all want Marti and Rudkin out but Aiyawatt to stay 

[Parafox]

51 minutes ago, izzymuzzet said:

3. We're unlikely to get automatic promotion with a points deduction looming.

4. I'm not sure I want us to get promoted with the squad in the state that it is. 

3. It's very unlikely we'll get auto spot anyway regardless of any points deduction.

 

4, I'd rather be entertaining and competitive in a league more suited to our means than get humiliated week in week out in the PL.

 

We've been there, we've made footballing history and that can never be unwritten. It really wouldn't bother me that much if we never made the PL again. 

[Richmondfox]

1 hour ago, izzymuzzet said:

Personally think unless we look in genuine danger of relegation Cifuentes gets until the end of the season. I'm not opposed to this on the basis that:

 

1. Mid season changes in manager haven't really worked out for us in recent years.

2. We're not going to spend much in January so it will be the same squad. 

3. We're unlikely to get automatic promotion with a points deduction looming.

4. I'm not sure I want us to get promoted with the squad in the state that it is. 

5. I want to see us build for the future. If Cifuentes continues to play Nelson, Aluko, Monga and bring in a couple of other academy players through the season he'll have my support even if we're not competing at the top of the league.

 

I'm not at all convinced by him so far but would rather make a clear judgement at the end of the season. 

Financial noise aside. Giving Marti till the end of the season is just continuing what we are seeing now. He is setting them up to fail with his tactics, and on top of that the team aren’t applying themselves for whatever the individual reason. 

[Dahnsouff]

10 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

Financial noise aside. Giving Marti till the end of the season is just continuing what we are seeing now. He is setting them up to fail with his tactics, and on top of that the team aren’t applying themselves for whatever the individual reason. 

My concern is that he isnt the first manager to fail in the same way, so there is little reason to suggest yet another manager will improve things. Post Enzo, we feel like we have retreated to safe names or famous names, rather concerningly. At some point we need to stick with it for a while to ensure the churn is not part of the problem, and let the squad rubbish get taken out and see where we are.

 

Not saying Marti represents that moment though.

[Richmondfox]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

My concern is that he isnt the first manager to fail in the same way, so there is little reason to suggest yet another manager will improve things. Post Enzo, we feel like we have retreated to safe names or famous names, rather concerningly. At some point we need to stick with it for a while to ensure the churn is not part of the problem, and let the squad rubbish get taken out and see where we are.

 

Not saying Marti represents that moment though.

We need a manager who knows how to attack. What we are seeing is the same as he did at QPR, 1 goal per game and low table.  I would agree to sticking with him if we were seeing a method that was peppering the opposition and it was just the fine tuning.  We have a manager that doesn’t even set his team up to make a one two and run into space.  

Unless we can get someone in to help him because Marti and his team are failing. 
 

 

 

 

[Foxin_Mad]

3 hours ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

Yes MC could be doing better but the reality is, during the promotion season two years ago, Vardy and KDH provided 60 goal/assists and Hermanson saved 10 more goals. Daka and Skip have provided 2 goal/ assists this season whilst the goalkeeper is saving less. The squad is so much weaker with no money for replacements. Plus the potential points deduction is making us a less attractive club to join. MC has gone through all of the permutations in player selection including the latest in Aluko but the squad is simply not good enough in terms of quality and physicality. This season and beyond will be transitional until the over paid players leave and the academy players develop.

You know what I could take us being shit. But the ****ing hideous style of football, no tactics, no identity. If you could see he was building something its easier to get behind but its just shit, just nothing, nothing at all. We might have bad players with a piss weak mentality but this manager is overall responsible for the absolutely honking style of play. There is probably only 1 game this season I can honestly say we deserved to win. The rest really we should have lost/drew. 

Edited 27 November 2025 by Foxin_Mad

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

My prediction is that when Cifuentes invariably gets the boot. King will get the gig for the rest of the season and he brings Bruno Berner in alongside him as we move in to the Frank Burrows and Gerry Taggart phase of our panic.

I’m up for that, on one condition - that Lee Philpott comes in as fake tan coach. The lads and we could all benefit from Philpott’s self care regime and impressive cheek bone structure.

[Bablemikey]

We have a weak team, even at this level, but this is being amplified by the manager. Put the two together and it's a disaster story. We can't significantly change the squad for quite some time yet so we need a much better than average manager to get more out of the existing players until such time that we can improve the squad. Not an easy task finding a really good manager who would come. I'd imagine anyone in that category might have much better options than us sadly.

[Foxin_Mad]

Also any really decent manager backs himself and doesn't give a shit about points deductions. Its easier to get a decent manager than it is to find an owner as a club based in the midlands. 

[Chelmofox]

22 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

We need a manager who knows how to attack. What we are seeing is the same as he did at QPR, 1 goal per game and low table.  I would agree to sticking with him if we were seeing a method that was peppering the opposition and it was just the fine tuning.  We have a manager that doesn’t even set his team up to make a one two and run into space.  

Unless we can get someone in to help him because Marti and his team are failing. 

I actually think Marti wants to attack more. We were doing this against Southampton and were the far more aggressive team until they went ahead. Then the players just retreat into their shells.

 

With lurch at the center of our backline, attacking with a higher line means we are going to get screwed.  Faes is a good blocker of the ball but poor when tracking back as well, as you saw for their 2nd goal. 

 

If we get a manager who is going to go all out attack, i think we will get massacred until we can rebuild the squad.

 

I dont know what the answer is, but id rather not get rid of Marti and just go for more of the same. 

[Rubbersoul]

Probably the wrong thread for it but seen his name mentioned. We were very average towards the end under Enzo weren’t we? 

[Fox92]

2 hours ago, izzymuzzet said:

Personally think unless we look in genuine danger of relegation Cifuentes gets until the end of the season. I'm not opposed to this on the basis that:

 

1. Mid season changes in manager haven't really worked out for us in recent years.

2. We're not going to spend much in January so it will be the same squad. 

3. We're unlikely to get automatic promotion with a points deduction looming.

4. I'm not sure I want us to get promoted with the squad in the state that it is. 

5. I want to see us build for the future. If Cifuentes continues to play Nelson, Aluko, Monga and bring in a couple of other academy players through the season he'll have my support even if we're not competing at the top of the league.

 

I'm not at all convinced by him so far but would rather make a clear judgement at the end of the season. 

This isn't a strong point though. We change the manager far too late/when it's too late.

[Fox92]

4 minutes ago, Rubbersoul said:

Probably the wrong thread for it but seen his name mentioned. We were very average towards the end under Enzo weren’t we? 

We had a wobble between February and April (losing to Leeds, Middlesbrough, QPR, Bristol City) but in between losing those games we won the rest, aside from the draw at Hull. 

 

But people point to the Southampton game (5-0) as our best performance of the season and that was our second last home game of the season. The Blackburn game was nothing different to already being promoted and losing the following game (as we did under previous managers too).

 

Ultimately we won the league. It helps we didn't draw too many games. You can get away with losing one winning your next, better than draw after draw.

[Mike Oxlong]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

My prediction is that when Cifuentes invariably gets the boot. King will get the gig for the rest of the season and he brings Bruno Berner in alongside him as we move in to the Frank Burrows and Gerry Taggart phase of our panic.

During a relationship at the time I felt so secure with Bruno at left back that it felt only right to adopt his name as my safe word 

[Chelmofox]

12 minutes ago, Rubbersoul said:

Probably the wrong thread for it but seen his name mentioned. We were very average towards the end under Enzo weren’t we? 

For a long stretch our form was lower mid table. Lots calling for him to get the sack. How quickly that was all forgotten.