6 point deduction - confirmed

[stu]

9 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Maguire posted the link to the Times article, yet he has confirmed this morning that he thinks the EFL may charge us for 24/25 when our appeal against the six-point deduction has been heard. So it's fair to assume that he believes the 20 clubs referred to in the article are the current PL clubs, not last season's.

 

It makes me wonder if the club is aware that it could face charges for 24/25 and wants to avoid any possibility of a further points deduction this season, and so has appealed the six-point deduction to ensure that any charge from the EFL gets dragged into next season...

Ah, so I see.

 

Can't understand why we would categorically state that the panel had confirmed complicance for Y25 if this wasn't the case.

 

We appreciate the Commission’s agreement with the Club’s position that compliance for FY24 should be assessed over a 36-month period – an important point both for the period in question, but also in providing the Club with certainty on its PSR/P&S compliance for FY25. 

 

Surely the statement would have been reviewed by legal experts for accuracy?

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, stu said:

Ah, so I see.

 

Can't understand why we would categorically state that the panel had confirmed complicance for Y25 if this wasn't the case.

 

We appreciate the Commission’s agreement with the Club’s position that compliance for FY24 should be assessed over a 36-month period – an important point both for the period in question, but also in providing the Club with certainty on its PSR/P&S compliance for FY25. 

 

Surely the statement would have been reviewed by legal experts for accuracy?

You would think, wouldn't you? Hopefully the club is right and Maguire is wrong, but given everything that has gone on in recent years I find it hard to have complete faith in everything our club tells us these days...

[Terraloon]

24 minutes ago, stu said:

Ah, so I see.

 

Can't understand why we would categorically state that the panel had confirmed complicance for Y25 if this wasn't the case.

 

We appreciate the Commission’s agreement with the Club’s position that compliance for FY24 should be assessed over a 36-month period – an important point both for the period in question, but also in providing the Club with certainty on its PSR/P&S compliance for FY25. 

 

Surely the statement would have been reviewed by legal experts for accuracy?

It’s talking about the specific point about the change in accounting year and how one season could and should have covered a 37 month  period but that didn’t happen it’s that aspect that gives the clarity they are talking about, not I would add I am sure what happens to the one month not yet assessed as my inital thoughts were that the £2.8 m loss for that extra months will almost certainly be factored in to FU25

Edited 25 February by Terraloon

[AKCJ]

29 minutes ago, stu said:

Ah, so I see.

 

Can't understand why we would categorically state that the panel had confirmed complicance for Y25 if this wasn't the case.

 

We appreciate the Commission’s agreement with the Club’s position that compliance for FY24 should be assessed over a 36-month period – an important point both for the period in question, but also in providing the Club with certainty on its PSR/P&S compliance for FY25. 

 

Surely the statement would have been reviewed by legal experts for accuracy?

Aiyawatt, Rudkin and Herlihy have only ever considered themselves above the rules. Everything that the club has done and said since PSR has come into play has proven that.

[stu]

Reply from Kieran.

 

 

[Spudulike]

So he's got no idea then 

[ClaphamFox]

Just now, stu said:

Reply from Kieran.

 

 

I don't really understand that. Surely we've either breached or not breached for Y25? How could it be dependent on differences between the PL's and the EFL's rulebooks? Confusing...

[UniFox21]

5 minutes ago, stu said:

Reply from Kieran.

 

 

The rulebooks being different still shocks me. 2 adjacent leagues should have the same rules, a system in place to deal with teams moving between the leagues for the rulings etc. 

 

Its a laughing stock. Two of the biggest leagues in the world and they can't organise shit 

[EastAnglianFox]

Ahh marvellous, another 6 months of not knowing what the fvck is going on and another potential charge?

 

 

[HankMarvin]

Survive relegation by the odd point then get a further points deduction. That would be the Leicester way 

[Pita]

5 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Survive relegation by the odd point then get a further points deduction. That would be the Leicester way 

That about right of the club. Shockingly run. Time they had someone who knows what they are doing in charge 

[Muzzy_no7]

Would be incredibly unfair and just plain wrong for us to get another deduction this season. 

[Foxin_Mad]

To be honest the EPL and EFL have almost been as incompetent as our board in this matter, yes we have broke some rules somewhere but it seems due to the pure ineptitude of whoever wrote the rules is difficult to determine where and when for a team that's been up and down divisions. If there is no consistency in rules how can clubs have any hope of knowing what rules they should comply by. 

 

Really they should either get a grip and sort out the rules for clubs moving divisions or just cancel the whole shitshow and get it in the bin. They don't know what they are doing. It drags on and on fighting rules that have been written by idiots, enforced by clowns. Meanwhile the teams they should be punishing Man Utd for example can continue to do whatever the duck they want. Its a Joke, football is a joke.

Edited 25 February by Foxin_Mad

[Gamble92]

So maybe I'm understanding this wrong but -

 

We kept hold of KDH and spent a big wedge on Winks transfer and wage, Coady transfer and wage, Hermansen etc etc. with the knowledge we'd fail PSR and butter up Enzo by fulfilling the promise of new signings. With the theory that getting straight back up and then worrying about the charge was the best course of action.

 

In doing so we then thought it best to sell our best player KDH to show compliance and get pure profit with the theory that getting El Khannous, Skipp and Buananotte would give us a better chance than just having KDH. 

 

We then thought fighting the points deduction instead of taking it on the Premier League would give us best chance.

 

We now got the deduction this season and it's led to us staring down the barrell of League One. 

 

You can see why the idiots at the club are so hated can't you?

[Les-TA-Jon]

5 hours ago, stu said:

Ah, so I see

 

Can't understand why we would categorically state that the panel had confirmed complicance for Y25 if this wasn't the case.

 

We appreciate the Commission’s agreement with the Club’s position that compliance for FY24 should be assessed over a 36-month period – an important point both for the period in question, but also in providing the Club with certainty on its PSR/P&S compliance for FY25. 

 

Surely the statement would have been reviewed by legal experts for accuracy?

I think you're misunderstanding something here. 

 

The quote from Leicester's statement is saying 'this provides the club with certainty on [the time period in question] for compliance for FY25' not 'the commission has said LCFC have complied for FY25'

[Trav Le Bleu]

26 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Would be incredibly unfair and just plain wrong for us to get another deduction this season. 

Yes, we are and have been badly run, but it's hardly cheating.

 

Then compare it to the brazen and deliberate antics of Man City and Chelsea that IS cheating.

 

Makes my blood boil. This and the fact that this is supposed to safeguard football clubs, but I've never seen a club that's had a deduction improve because of it.

[Finnegan]

Regardless of how not fit for purpose the rest of the PSR laws are, one thing that's definitely ****ing true is that it's ridiculous if a club can receive points deductions in a single season for alleged breaches that happen in multiple different previous seasons. 

 

If we get relegated because the Prem push through a points deduction for season X and then the EFL rush one through even faster for season Y and we're meant to eat both in the same year then I will 100% believe that it's been done deliberately to send us down to make a statement. 

 

Especially after it took so, so, so long for the Premier League to punish Everton and Forest that we were relegated the first time in a year they SHOULD have both had points deductions. 

 

[Spudulike]

Not wishing to seem paranoid but the timing of this leak, if that's what it is, is very suspicious.

[Ric Flair]

I'm fascinated how we have provided assurance to the EFL that we are OK for 2025/26 too. I was led to believe that strict business plans and embargo are brought in mid season if this cannot be evidenced and the backstop of selling players in June to comply is not accepted as proof either. 

[kenny]

14 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Regardless of how not fit for purpose the rest of the PSR laws are, one thing that's definitely ****ing true is that it's ridiculous if a club can receive points deductions in a single season for alleged breaches that happen in multiple different previous seasons. 

 

If we get relegated because the Prem push through a points deduction for season X and then the EFL rush one through even faster for season Y and we're meant to eat both in the same year then I will 100% believe that it's been done deliberately to send us down to make a statement. 

 

Especially after it took so, so, so long for the Premier League to punish Everton and Forest that we were relegated the first time in a year they SHOULD have both had points deductions. 

 

Look how the league has punished Sheffield Wednesday. Their owner is pulling the club to bits and is punishment enough.

 

Rather than step into assist they dole out 12 points to make sure they go down rather than just assuming they will as they barely have any players. They have no interest in protecting the clubs.

[ClaphamFox]

12 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Regardless of how not fit for purpose the rest of the PSR laws are, one thing that's definitely ****ing true is that it's ridiculous if a club can receive points deductions in a single season for alleged breaches that happen in multiple different previous seasons. 

 

If we get relegated because the Prem push through a points deduction for season X and then the EFL rush one through even faster for season Y and we're meant to eat both in the same year then I will 100% believe that it's been done deliberately to send us down to make a statement. 

 

Especially after it took so, so, so long for the Premier League to punish Everton and Forest that we were relegated the first time in a year they SHOULD have both had points deductions. 

 

When I speculated earlier that our appeal against the six-point deduction may be because we're trying to drag things out for long enough to ensure that any further deductions from the EFL are pushed into next season, I didn't really give it much credence. Now I'm not so sure...

[Les-TA-Jon]

17 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Regardless of how not fit for purpose the rest of the PSR laws are, one thing that's definitely ****ing true is that it's ridiculous if a club can receive points deductions in a single season for alleged breaches that happen in multiple different previous seasons. 

 

If we get relegated because the Prem push through a points deduction for season X and then the EFL rush one through even faster for season Y and we're meant to eat both in the same year then I will 100% believe that it's been done deliberately to send us down to make a statement. 

 

Especially after it took so, so, so long for the Premier League to punish Everton and Forest that we were relegated the first time in a year they SHOULD have both had points deductions. 

 

Isn't it the case that we also should have had a points deduction when we went down in 22/23? If so, this isn't much of a defence for us. 

[LCFCJohn]

20 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Not wishing to seem paranoid but the timing of this leak, if that's what it is, is very suspicious.

Yeah, funny how we have got our heads up and look more confident and they start leaking rumours again….

[Foxin_Mad]

21 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Yes, we are and have been badly run, but it's hardly cheating.

 

Then compare it to the brazen and deliberate antics of Man City and Chelsea that IS cheating.

 

Makes my blood boil. This and the fact that this is supposed to safeguard football clubs, but I've never seen a club that's had a deduction improve because of it.

Its a complete nonsense. Giving out a points deduction should only really be possible if it is proven you have gained some sporting advantage. 

 

Overall we are struggling due to incompetence, we broke the rules because of incompetence. We overpaid for bad players and no one wants to buy them. If we successfully cheated wed still be in the Premier League like the Red Cartel. 

[Les-TA-Jon]

27 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Regardless of how not fit for purpose the rest of the PSR laws are, one thing that's definitely ****ing true is that it's ridiculous if a club can receive points deductions in a single season for alleged breaches that happen in multiple different previous seasons. 

 

If we get relegated because the Prem push through a points deduction for season X and then the EFL rush one through even faster for season Y and we're meant to eat both in the same year then I will 100% believe that it's been done deliberately to send us down to make a statement. 

 

Especially after it took so, so, so long for the Premier League to punish Everton and Forest that we were relegated the first time in a year they SHOULD have both had points deductions. 

 

The current 6 point deduction is for period ending FY24 (Enzo promotion season). So this punishment is already a season late (in part because of our protestations). So if the EFL punishes us (again) this season, for period ending 24/25 that would actually be 'consistent'. We'd only end up with 2 deductions in the same season because we delayed the one we 'should' have had last season (RVN relegation season) 

Edited 25 February by Les-TA-Jon