Leicester City Phoenix Club

[Guest worth_the_wait]

1 hour ago, Officer Doofy said:

Leicester should have a decent sized non league team regardless.

We had Leicester United for a few years.  They were the successors to Enderby Town, but Leicester United who played somewhere in Oadby I think - folded sometime in the late 1990's - or round about then, can't remember exact dates.

[GlenParvaFox]

1 minute ago, worth_the_wait said:

We had Leicester United for a few years.  They were the successors to Enderby Town, but Leicester United who played somewhere in Oadby I think - folded sometime in the late 1990's - or round about then, can't remember exact dates.

They played in Blaby. Their ground became the Scout HQ and is now a housing estate.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 hour ago, Stuntman_Mike said:

I think I'd just see it as my opportunity to get out tbh.

 

Imagine being buzzing for the first game, fresh start, only to see the Ginetta's bus pull up next to you in the car park. 

 

 

Would be banned. Along with any one else on the list!

[Sol thewall Bamba]

6 minutes ago, KFS said:

How much do we think this would need to get started? 

Step 6 which you can get into relatively quickly, running costs are about £250k a season. Then it scales from there. 

 

I'd guess if it was a true phoenix club with the crowds to back it then you could cover a lot of it with ticket sales in the early years.

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, indierich06 said:

I  don't know, looking at the horrendous running costs we have - a couple of seasons stuck in League One could be enough. Had no idea the training ground cost such a tremendous amount of money to run. You can cut the wage bill, but you can't cut that -  short of selling it. And who would want to buy it for the price we'd put on it?

So if it was a different overhead, and the wage bill and previous overheads were then reduced, why would it be any different to the previous debt that has been wiped/converted to shares by the chairmen 

[Stadt]

8 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Step 6 which you can get into relatively quickly, running costs are about £250k a season. Then it scales from there. 

 

I'd guess if it was a true phoenix club with the crowds to back it then you could cover a lot of it with ticket sales in the early years.

And crowdfunding, I'd wager more than 250 people would put at least 1k in personally for shares - initially 

[grobyfox1990]

Would be a lot of fun watching the initial enthusiasm gradually dissipate into middle aged disillusionment. But there are plenty who have shown strong leadership and got successful non-league clubs going, loads of people who would prob be very willing to share lessons learned and how to professionalise operations like this, Jersey Bulls being one example.

[AKCJ]

We're a long way off this point

[Terraloon]

1 hour ago, KFS said:

How much do we think this would need to get started? 

Of course you will need to get funds together to just start up but to a degree that’s putting the cart before the horse.

 

The first thing that needs to happen is that there needs to be early stage planning and working out what the process and indeed requirements are just in terms of starting up. 

 

From working with respective leagues  establishing what entry league any Phoenix club could start and matching that with a ground of acceptable grading and of course  having talks with whoever owns that ground re ground sharing. Next structure in terms defying roles and appointing individuals search out best practice ( no point in re inventing the wheel) . 
 

This is just a guess but to start up a club at say level 5or 6  you would need circa £50k minimum but even at that level you would need to generate at least £2k a week . The more that you can offer players then even at that level you will have some reasonably wealthy individuals willing to throw money at realities success.

 

Way above my pay grade to head such a venture but having read some posters on here it’s pretty clear that there are the skills out there

 

 

[Foxin_Mad]

15 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

We're a long way off this point

2-3 years max 

[AKCJ]

Just now, Foxin_Mad said:

2-3 years max 

Honestly, we're not. We're relatively close to the beginning of the process.

 

We've currently got the disinterested owner who doesn't care. Soon we'll be sold to the highly interested owner who will strip us of all assets. We'll then be sold off to the shady fake-millionaire who can't afford to run the club.

 

That's when the club goes into administration.

[OntarioFox]

3 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

It’s baffled me forever, that as a county we’ve never really had a successful club in the county.

How many other cities in England with a population as big as Leicester, have never had two professional league teams? 
 

This is true, Hinckley got the closest but went to the wall. I guess Coalville are the best bet right now in terms of potential - Anstey is a lot of fun but their ground and location is a bit of a nightmare if they ever wanted to expand.

 

Always baffled me that Loughborough in particular have nothing bigger than Dynamo (and nah, the Uni club doesn't really count). Quorn has been their de facto club for a while I guess.

Edited 16 February by OntarioFox

[bovril]

5 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

2-3 years max 

Are you a betting man because I always appreciate some easy money...

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, AKCJ said:

Honestly, we're not. We're relatively close to the beginning of the process.

 

We've currently got the disinterested owner who doesn't care. Soon we'll be sold to the highly interested owner who will strip us of all assets. We'll then be sold off to the shady fake-millionaire who can't afford to run the club.

 

That's when the club goes into administration.

What worthwhile assets do we have to strip? Stadium land maybe valuable for housing. Otherwise not a lot. Unless we survive this year which looks unlikely or come straight back up next year we are gone, no one would buy us for the value KP would want now anyway as we are effectively insolvent even now. 

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, bovril said:

Are you a betting man because I always appreciate some easy money...

The easy money would be mine! Honestly look at the accounts and tell me the value in that as a business. It’s insolvent already, league 1 a year after the parachute payments it’s game over.

[KFS]

Ready to launch in 2 seasons time. I like it.

[bovril]

13 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

The easy money would be mine! Honestly look at the accounts and tell me the value in that as a business. It’s insolvent already, league 1 a year after the parachute payments it’s game over.

Yeah probably, good job I'm not a betting man

[Aleksz]

46 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

We're a long way off this point

I hear you but I actually disagree. This club doesn’t need to even go into admin for it to happen - only have to look around this forum to see how much hate there is for a regime that most likely aren’t going to budge any time soon. They’re past the point of return for a LOT of people. FC United started in the same circumstances. 
 

Only question would be is there enough people with that much hate for this regime but that much determination for something new. 
 

But yeah, anyway, can we have it at Leicester Road in Hinckley please, that would be most convenient 

[Finnaldo]

26 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

This is true, Hinckley got the closest but went to the wall. I guess Coalville are the best bet right now in terms of potential - Anstey is a lot of fun but their ground and location is a bit of a nightmare if they ever wanted to expand.

 

Always baffled me that Loughborough in particular have nothing bigger than Dynamo (and nah, the Uni club doesn't really count). Quorn has been their de facto club for a while I guess.

Coalville’s owner had to pull out and voluntarily relegated them three steps. On their way back up but it’s unlikely they’ll ever compete to the same level again and even then they were beginning to hit their ceiling with what they had (middling National League North). 
 

Harborough are the closest and again have a ceiling- maybe tbey could be National League Prem but that they’ve shot up multitudes faster than Coalville and their infrastructure would need a rethink ať NLN. 
 

The reality is the county doesn’t have a second town- the likes of Mansfield or Chesterfield in Derbyshire are good examples of that, Nuneaton for Warwickshire/Cov. Hinckley, Loughborough and Coalville are small to middling (market) towns that aren’t really large enough to support upper non-league teams in this day and age. Harborough May buck that trend due to its affluence but that’s a big wait and see. 

[AKCJ]

5 minutes ago, Aleksz said:

I hear you but I actually disagree. This club doesn’t need to even go into admin for it to happen - only have to look around this forum to see how much hate there is for a regime that most likely aren’t going to budge any time soon. They’re past the point of return for a LOT of people. FC United started in the same circumstances. 
 

Only question would be is there enough people with that much hate for this regime but that much determination for something new. 
 

But yeah, anyway, can we have it at Leicester Road in Hinckley please, that would be most convenient 

The issue is that as soon as the ownership goes, any phoenix club dies.

 

My love for Leicester City isn't determined by the owner and I would assume that that is the case for 99% of people.

 

As soon as Leicester City dies, I would be more than willing to back a phoenix club. But we are a long way from that point.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

Lesta Fosse FC please. Blue shirts and white shorts.

[LVFox]

1 minute ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

Lesta Fosse FC please. Blue shirts and white shorts.

Away kit

 

black with blue sash for home.

 

[Stadt]

22 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

Coalville’s owner had to pull out and voluntarily relegated them three steps. On their way back up but it’s unlikely they’ll ever compete to the same level again and even then they were beginning to hit their ceiling with what they had (middling National League North). 
 

Harborough are the closest and again have a ceiling- maybe tbey could be National League Prem but that they’ve shot up multitudes faster than Coalville and their infrastructure would need a rethink ať NLN. 
 

The reality is the county doesn’t have a second town- the likes of Mansfield or Chesterfield in Derbyshire are good examples of that, Nuneaton for Warwickshire/Cov. Hinckley, Loughborough and Coalville are small to middling (market) towns that aren’t really large enough to support upper non-league teams in this day and age. Harborough May buck that trend due to its affluence but that’s a big wait and see. 

Loughborough is bigger than a lot of league clubs but being nearly equidistant from two top 15-25th clubs by size is the killer.

 

Dynamo’s ground was too far out

[Gamble92]

4 hours ago, indierich06 said:

I  don't know, looking at the horrendous running costs we have - a couple of seasons stuck in League One could be enough. Had no idea the training ground cost such a tremendous amount of money to run. You can cut the wage bill, but you can't cut that -  short of selling it. And who would want to buy it for the price we'd put on it?

They could always sell it to King Power. You know, those guys who always magically clear everything every couple of years and make us ever so grateful because of their "commitment to the long term future of Leicester City Football Club"

 

Oh wait what's this £280 million debt we have?

[OntarioFox]

Total population of Leicestershire is 1.1 million people by the way, more than enough to justify a second club at a decent level if the willpower is there.

 

There seems to be an assumption that it's not sustainable unless you're getting thousands through the gate but that's not true at all, most NLN/S clubs barely crack 4 figures most weeks. Club I follow gets 800-1200 most weeks and they're one of the best-supported in the 6th tier - that should be an aspiration rather than an expectation for any start-up.

Edited 16 February by OntarioFox