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I would have thought that the likes of Braybrooke, Alves, Hutchinson, etc will all get snapped up by so called bigger clubs and at bargain prices.

Relying on "youth" is all very well in theory, but I'm  really  not expecting us to be able to hang on to the most promising of our academy players

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Be it in EFL 1 or indeed the Championship ( I know) there surely has to be hope that there is a massive overhaul of the squad . I sadly fear that it won’t be happening or close to as easy  as some think.

 

We assume, that players will have relegation clauses in their contracts. Yes relegation clauses will give a certain amount of financial protection in terms of wage expenditure but players rarely will be advised by their agents to sign these type of agreements without some sort of payback protection for them. That protection often manifests itself in pre agreed fees . These fees are vastly below club’s valuation.

 

I don’t doubt for one second that there were relegation clauses from the PL to the Championship but I am far from convinced that the club is as well protected as some believe.  

 

For instance  if relegation does happen then just about every player that has any remaining sum to be amortised should  see a a significant element of their value written off. It’s called impairment, it is the same as amortisation in terms of impacting accounts.

 

That won’t happen because it will put even greater strain on the accounts as will the fact almost certainty that the club still owe considerable sums in respect of  transfer fees and signing on fees which will normally are spread over the contract term  but come become immediately payable if a player leaves mid contract. Put another way it will cost significantly and the question them is do the club have the cash to facilitate or come to that will players agree to what’s proposed?
 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Terraloon said:

Be it in EFL 1 or indeed the Championship ( I know) there surely has to be hope that there is a massive overhaul of the squad . I sadly fear that it won’t be happening or close to as easy  as some think.

 

We assume, that players will have relegation clauses in their contracts. Yes relegation clauses will give a certain amount of financial protection in terms of wage expenditure but players rarely will be advised by their agents to sign these type of agreements without some sort of payback protection for them. That protection often manifests itself in pre agreed fees . These fees are vastly below club’s valuation.

 

I don’t doubt for one second that there were relegation clauses from the PL to the Championship but I am far from convinced that the club is as well protected as some believe.  

 

For instance  if relegation does happen then just about every player that has any remaining sum to be amortised should  see a a significant element of their value written off. It’s called impairment, it is the same as amortisation in terms of impacting accounts.

 

That won’t happen because it will put even greater strain on the accounts as will the fact almost certainty that the club still owe considerable sums in respect of  transfer fees and signing on fees which will normally are spread over the contract term  but come become immediately payable if a player leaves mid contract. Put another way it will cost significantly and the question them is do the club have the cash to facilitate or come to that will players agree to what’s proposed?

Yeah I think dreams of a huge rebuild are a bit fanciful. 

 

Anyone worth anything will need to be sold, but we've long struggled to find buyers, no one will want to match wages and of course their value drops like a stone, and yet avoiding a loss vs book value is almost impossible. Of course we can do that on some players, but given historic losses - surely we struggle to do it on lots of players? 

 

And yes L1 and L2 have different spending rules, but upon promotion to the Championship you fall under PSR rules again, so the club can't (or shouldn't) ignore them. 

 

And even if we do 'successfully' sell a lot of players - I'm not convinced we'll have many funds to sign replacements - so the club either accepts a similar to this season hodge-podge of stale players we can't shift, prematurely promoted youth products and free transfers/loans - or they hang onto more players than they should. 

 

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15 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Yeah I think dreams of a huge rebuild are a bit fanciful. 

 

Anyone worth anything will need to be sold, but we've long struggled to find buyers, no one will want to match wages and of course their value drops like a stone, and yet avoiding a loss vs book value is almost impossible. Of course we can do that on some players, but given historic losses - surely we struggle to do it on lots of players? 

 

And yes L1 and L2 have different spending rules, but upon promotion to the Championship you fall under PSR rules again, so the club can't (or shouldn't) ignore them. 

 

And even if we do 'successfully' sell a lot of players - I'm not convinced we'll have many funds to sign replacements - so the club either accepts a similar to this season hodge-podge of stale players we can't shift, prematurely promoted youth products and free transfers/loans - or they hang onto more players than they should. 

 

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Luke Thomas 2029. I don’t think I’ll ever get over that 

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Jakub - We will need to sign some competition for him, but given the amount players we need we will need to keep him

 

Souttar and Nelson - Hopefully these 2 can cement a first team partnership without getting injured. Everyone has a price but Souttar may have to prove himself for half a season at least before clubs come sniffing. Would probably need to risk offering Nelson a new contract. 

 

Thomas - we will find his level eventually, similar to Jakub, we will have to keep.

 

Skipp - With his length of contract and wages, can't see any coming in for him. 

 

Mavididi - Who's going to come in for him on this seasons evidence? 

 

Probably stuck with Vestergaard, Hamza and Reid until expiring. Surely we can finally get rid of Krisitensen and Okoli.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nickaj said:

 

I would have thought that the likes of Braybrooke, Alves, Hutchinson, etc will all get snapped up by so called bigger clubs and at bargain prices.

Relying on "youth" is all very well in theory, but I'm  really  not expecting us to be able to hang on to the most promising of our academy players

we really are ****ed aren't we. 

 

 

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sorry but anything who thinks the players under contract will be sold must be living on another planet! 

 

Who on earth is going to buy them for one? and no one will pay their wage demands and do you really think we have the right structure in place to get these players out of the door? 

 

We will be stuck with them until their contracts are out as we cannot afford to pay them off either. 

 

Say winks has 1 year left on his 80k (not sure if that is right) contract - we are not paying him £4.16 mill to walk away on a free - even half of that we wouldn't pay. 

 

We are as close to going into administration unless by some miracle we stay up. 

 

The problem is the players are soley motivated by money - that is obvious so they know by hook or by crook they will get their pay day. 

 

I feel for the every day staff that are going to lose their jobs because those in the ivory tower have ran this club into ruin. 

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I'd imagine it'll be another summer of selling anyone with any semblance of quality and refusing offers for muck like Luke Thomas or Hamza Choudhury.

 

The only think exciting me for next season is that the likes of Alves, Braybrooke, Aluko, Gray, Evans and Monga should all have a big part to play (assuming we're not gonna sell them all too).

 

Would be nice to build a proper spine of Leicester lads.

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1 hour ago, Nickaj said:

 

I would have thought that the likes of Braybrooke, Alves, Hutchinson, etc will all get snapped up by so called bigger clubs and at bargain prices.

Relying on "youth" is all very well in theory, but I'm  really  not expecting us to be able to hang on to the most promising of our academy players

they wont even be 'bigger' clubs. I can see Braybrooke going to someone like Portsmouth or Oxford. Alves probably someone in league 1 / lower championship. 

 

Monga and PAge might end up in the premier league but we wont get anything for them really. 

 

The club is done. 

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Can't see us having any financial headroom to spend any money on players, as any incoming fees will be needed to meet operating costs. We will sell or loan out nearly all of the senior players, with probably only the likes of Thomas and Jakub left. It will then be a recipe of incoming loans and free transfers, supplemented by youth team players, to make up the squad. Genuinely fear we could drop to League 2. 

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It hit me yesterday that this group of players have essentially stuck their middle finger up to the players that paved their way for the title winners. Those that dug us out of League 1 and The Championship in the early 2010s.

 

The likes of Jack Hobbs, Lloyd Dyer, Matty Fryatt, Ritchie Wellens, Alex Tunchev, Steve Howard, Sol Bamba, Paul Gallagher, Martyn Waghorn etc.

 

None of those players got to the Premier League with us but were all so important in reshaping the club and pushing us in the right direction. We essentially need to pray that we can find these types of characters again. We're right back to square 1.

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The rebuild will be a disaster. The only change from the last two disasters is we now have a fourth person involved. 

 

It will be us begging agents for multiple players at the end of the window. Hoping some random loan signing comes good. 

 

Top and Rudkin are in charge - they have no care for LCFC. Disaster is fine. 

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1 hour ago, Rubbersoul said:

Luke Thomas 2029. I don’t think I’ll ever get over that 

Plenty of people on here defended it as "protecting his value" (lol) just like some did with Vestergaard and Choudhury's deals. 

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3 hours ago, Pliskin said:

You can’t rebuild in league one anyway. Not unless you can spend a shit tonne of money like Birmingham did. Oh wait, you can’t do that anymore. 
 

We’ve ended up ****ing up at exactly the wrong time……..

What’s the rules now on league 1 spending ? 

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3 minutes ago, Sankey93 said:

What’s the rules now on league 1 spending ? 

I’m not 100% sure but I know they changed the rules because of Brum and Wrexham 

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2 hours ago, Nickaj said:

 

I would have thought that the likes of Braybrooke, Alves, Hutchinson, etc will all get snapped up by so called bigger clubs and at bargain prices.

Relying on "youth" is all very well in theory, but I'm  really  not expecting us to be able to hang on to the most promising of our academy players

None of them players are above League One standard really. The most promising of youth category would be Monga and Page but even then the jury is still out.

 

They'll have to keep some players. The obvious ones will go but I fully expect those kind of players to stay.

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2 hours ago, Nickaj said:

 

I would have thought that the likes of Braybrooke, Alves, Hutchinson, etc will all get snapped up by so called bigger clubs and at bargain prices.

Relying on "youth" is all very well in theory, but I'm  really  not expecting us to be able to hang on to the most promising of our academy players

I agree with what you are saying.

Although, I am not sure anyone will snap up Alves as he has had a disappointing spell on Loan. He may be better off staying at Leicester and giving it 'one last season'. Same with Braybrooke, he has played the year in League 2, and may fancy his chances of finally standing a chance of establishing a spot at Leicester.

 

Saying all that, the club may be in that much of a mess financially, that they let these go to League 1 or 2 teams, for a couple of hundred grand each. Personally, I would prefer them to be here next year, to give it one last stab at being a success for Leicester

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4 minutes ago, County Fox said:

I agree with what you are saying.

Although, I am not sure anyone will snap up Alves as he has had a disappointing spell on Loan. He may be better off staying at Leicester and giving it 'one last season'. Same with Braybrooke, he has played the year in League 2, and may fancy his chances of finally standing a chance of establishing a spot at Leicester.

 

Saying all that, the club may be in that much of a mess financially, that they let these go to League 1 or 2 teams, for a couple of hundred grand each. Personally, I would prefer them to be here next year, to give it one last stab at being a success for Leicester

There's no value even to use in letting anyone go at that value. 

 

They'll sell players for millions and high earners. There's no way Alves and Braybrooke are going for money reasons. 

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38 minutes ago, Sankey93 said:

What’s the rules now on league 1 spending ? 

 

34 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

I’m not 100% sure but I know they changed the rules because of Brum and Wrexham 

 

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Should be a minimum of 20 gone, like 2023, like 2025. There won't be. Enjoy the Choudhury and Thomas captaincy split for whoever Wayne Rooney decides it'll be that week.

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22 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

There's no value even to use in letting anyone go at that value. 

 

They'll sell players for millions and high earners. There's no way Alves and Braybrooke are going for money reasons. 

i hope you are right

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