Group L: England, Croatia, Ghana, Panama

[Samilktray]

Just now, foxfanazer said:

Why can't you chat about a football game without snowflakes like you getting upset at differing opinions. I've not seen one person say anything along the lines of we can't win the world cup. It was a poor performance and has talking points around that

 

Ultimately it's a point that pretty much secures qualification to the next round so the criticism shouldn't be too over the top but there is justification for there to be some

Lost me at snowflakes, not reading all that follows I’m afraid. 

[foxfanazer]

Just now, Samilktray said:

Lost me at snowflakes, not reading all that follows I’m afraid. 

I thought as much

[trabuch]

I like all this talk of snow. It's cooling me down.

[JonnyZeroFox]

It’s a long tournament, 4-2 brilliant.. 0-0 not bad… Tuchel will learn a lot from those two games than his whole tenure.. Ghana played well, but we should expect that and be able to overcome it. Unlucky in the last 10 we didn’t find the winner 

[foxfanazer]

Surely it'll be Saka and Rashford starting next game. Maybe rest Kane and Bellingham for Watkins and Rogers too

 

Oh and O'Reilly for Spence

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[JonnyZeroFox]

Just now, foxfanazer said:

Surely it'll be Saka and Rashford starting next game. Maybe rest Kane and Bellingham for Watkins and Rogers too

That sounds right for me 

[JonnyZeroFox]

Rooney is right, Spain and France don’t stick 11 behind  it’s why at even Euro 2024 our best game was against Netherlands… 

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[TeamRocket]

Think its okay, we just needed to bring some players on sooner or even start with some players but glad we had our dip now reather then later

[trabuch]

3 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Surely it'll be Saka and Rashford starting next game. Maybe rest Kane and Bellingham for Watkins and Rogers too

 

Oh and O'Reilly for Spence

No England manager is ever not starting Kane in a WC - even if he's completely crocked.

[st albans fox]

It’s not coming home is it ……..

[CloudFox]

2 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Surely it'll be Saka and Rashford starting next game. Maybe rest Kane and Bellingham for Watkins and Rogers too

 

Oh and O'Reilly for Spence

Saka and Rashford in, yes, but don't take out Kane and Bellingham for what could be a pivotal chance to finish top of the group. I'd rather us go strong to start and take off players 50-60+ minutes if we're cruising. Other less-high-profile nations in this tournament have shown you can't take anything for granted. And we just got shut out by 11 men behind the ball. Why would Panama play any differently?

[MrSpaM]

This defence is going to get demolished by somebody half decent

[MPH]

8 minutes ago, JonnyZeroFox said:

And do world class teams find the answers every time? I felt we did well at times, created chances… but it didn’t go in 

 

well, world class teams don’t usually drop points in the group stages against teams that have Jordan Ayew as their starting striker..

[skolfoxes]

I know the English have been trying their best to be like the Scots in Boston the last few days, but you don’t have to play like us as well. 

[JonnyZeroFox]

Just now, st albans fox said:

It’s not coming home is it ……..

Why? Because we came up against a defensive unit? Let’s give up… it’s not like every side that wins the World Cup is perfect 

[JonnyZeroFox]

1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

well, world class teams don’t usually drop points in the group stages against teams that have Jordan Ayew as their starting striker..

Well one team.., who do Cape Verde have? And Saudi Arabia 

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[RowlattsFox]

Worth remembering the argies lost to Saudi at the last World cup 

[trabuch]

Just now, JonnyZeroFox said:

Well one team.., who do Cape Verde have? 

Yes - I was just about to say Spain. And didn't Italy win a world cup having not won a match in the groups stage. It's no biggy as long as lessons have been learnt.

[foxfanazer]

Just now, TeamRocket said:

Think its okay, we just needed to bring some players on sooner or even start with some players but glad we had our dip now reather then later

Yeah absolutely. If it is just a blip then better to have it now after an impressive first game. The pessimistic side of me thinks that might chip away at the belief a little though, although better opposition won't be quite so defensive. 

 

I don't rate some of our players quite as highly as most and I do think we'll struggle against the likes of France, Spain, Argentina etc. I just think their match winning players turn up more regularly for their country 

 

This isn't a result to catastrophise over but we do need to learn from it and sharpish

 

[MPH]

2 minutes ago, JonnyZeroFox said:

Well one team.., who do Cape Verde have? And Saudi Arabia 

as an aside, Cape Verde finished above Cameroon in their World Cup qualifying campaign, whilst Ghanas achievement was finishing above Mali..

[whoareyaaa]

1 minute ago, trabuch said:

Yes - I was just about to say Spain. And didn't Italy win a world cup having not won a match in the groups stage. It's no biggy as long as lessons have been learnt.

We got to finals twice with similar results 

[fazzyfox]

Joe Hart just nailed it, the danger is that when “lesser” sides meet us in round of 32

& 16 they’ll take encouragement from this Remember they don’t need to beat us outright, a 0-0 and Penalty sh**-show would do it .

 

Hard work when one team doesn’t want to come out to play but you do need to find a way.

[foxfanazer]

7 minutes ago, CloudFox said:

Saka and Rashford in, yes, but don't take out Kane and Bellingham for what could be a pivotal chance to finish top of the group. I'd rather us go strong to start and take off players 50-60+ minutes if we're cruising. Other less-high-profile nations in this tournament have shown you can't take anything for granted. And we just got shut out by 11 men behind the ball. Why would Panama play any differently?

But what did Kane and Bellingham do in that game to suggest they'll beat another team playing a low block?

 

I think the drop off from Kane to Watkins is admittedly quite big when Kanes on it but wouldn't have any qualms with Rogers starting over Bellingham 

 

Also opening the door for some of these players might benefit us in the long run. They'll be even more eager to impress and it's game time for if they're needed further on in the tournament due to injury or whatever 

 

I know Kane won't be dropped and I get it but maybe we should learn from previous tournaments 

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[JonnyZeroFox]

2 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Yeah absolutely. If it is just a blip then better to have it now after an impressive first game. The pessimistic side of me thinks that might chip away at the belief a little though, although better opposition won't be quite so defensive. 

 

I don't rate some of our players quite as highly as most and I do think we'll struggle against the likes of France, Spain, Argentina etc. I just think their match winning players turn up more regularly for their country 

 

This isn't a result to catastrophise over but we do need to learn from it and sharpish

 

Really.. we have made two finals.. I’m optimistic if Ghana is the bad performance then yeah..  we have grown already.. if you watched England before Southgate you will know that

[JonnyZeroFox]

1 minute ago, foxfanazer said:

But what did Kane and Bellingham do in that game to suggest they'll beat another team playing a low block?

 

I think the drop off from Kane to Watkins is admittedly quite big when Kanes on it but wouldn't have any qualms with Rogers starting over Bellingham 

One game… so get rid of Kane and Bellingham? You serious