Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[Heathrow fox]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

I voted Blair in 97 and Conservative ever since. Sometimes I've gladly voted Conservative, and sometimes I've voted Conservative to keep Labour out.

You come across as having a very high opinion of yourself dismissing others opinions whenever you're replying to me, you seem to make assumptions about my opinions, maybe I wasnt clear enough.

 

The conservatives moved to the left. Fact. Like New Labour moved to the right in the opinion of those on the left.

I dont agree with thisbwas a good thing for the Country, this is my political opinion, it maybe right or wrong, but living standards in the Country have gone downhill. The alternative to the Tories was Milliband or Corbyn, my opinion is this would have been far worse.

I don't like socialism, or the modern day left wing politics which seems like it has come from the US which is often defined as 'woke' but seems to me divisive, but I do have opinions that are left wing.

Working class to me is where you may have grown up in a certain household, which may be in many cases a dysfunctional household, where no parents will have gone to University, or where you have ended up in a blue collar job. You may have grown up working class and become middle class. I have often worked in homes where customers would look down there nose at me because i'm a tradesman in overalls 

David Cameron took huge strides to make the Conservatives X’s more socially progressive.I don’t think that is up for debate.

[bovril]

Still find it funny that probably the most right wing PM in the last couple of decades, the woman responsible for the 'hostile environment', was ousted for not being brexity enough and replaced by the pretty liberal Boris Johnson who promptly opened the door to millions more migrants. What is it the KPFC crowd say....? 

[SecretPro]

2 hours ago, splinterdream said:

I voted Blair in 97 and Conservative ever since. Sometimes I've gladly voted Conservative, and sometimes I've voted Conservative to keep Labour out.

You come across as having a very high opinion of yourself dismissing others opinions whenever you're replying to me, you seem to make assumptions about my opinions, maybe I wasnt clear enough.

 

The conservatives moved to the left. Fact. Like New Labour moved to the right in the opinion of those on the left.

I dont agree with thisbwas a good thing for the Country, this is my political opinion, it maybe right or wrong, but living standards in the Country have gone downhill. The alternative to the Tories was Milliband or Corbyn, my opinion is this would have been far worse.

I don't like socialism, or the modern day left wing politics which seems like it has come from the US which is often defined as 'woke' but seems to me divisive, but I do have opinions that are left wing.

Working class to me is where you may have grown up in a certain household, which may be in many cases a dysfunctional household, where no parents will have gone to University, or where you have ended up in a blue collar job. You may have grown up working class and become middle class. I have often worked in homes where customers would look down there nose at me because i'm a tradesman in overalls 

Jesus christ. 

[Sampson]

26 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

David Cameron took huge strides to make the Conservatives X’s more socially progressive.I don’t think that is up for debate.

Yeah, but conversely, David Cameron was probably the most economically right-wing and least socialist PM the country has ever had (or at least post-WW2), even over Thatcher, with his brutal period of austerity and cuts to public spending. And I think generally at least in Europe we mean economically when talking about right and left. It’s the Americanisation of politics that has meant social policy has started to creep into what people mean by what’s left of right over the last 15 years or so (I always think the massive amount of coverage Sarah Palin and her views got was the beginning of the Americanisation of European politics).
 

To give splinterdream the benefit of the doubt, which his posts probably don’t warrant, I think he’s mixing up social policy and economic policy there by saying the Tories went to the left and bemoaning socialism - socially, if you’re using an American definition of right and left, sure, they had more liberal social policy, but that Tory government between 2010-2024 was the most economically right-wing post-WW2 government the uk has had. I mean saying they moved the Tories to the left economically compared to someone like Ted Heath who was significantly to the left of Blair, Brown or Starmer (and even moreso than Cameron, May, Johnson or Sunak) economically obviously doesn’t track. 

Edited 16 April by Sampson

[worthosoriginals]

51 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

Thanks for the insight, if only I could have emulated their success, then I wouldn't be on foxestalk with someones lame pathetic attempt to insult me 

Their success? Trump knackering the world up, hes hated all over, farage if gets in will do the uk version. You will lap it up saying this is much better, and you know it.

Have you got them roundabouts all painted yet?

[leicsmac]

29 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

David Cameron took huge strides to make the Conservatives X’s more socially progressive.I don’t think that is up for debate.

 

6 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Yeah, but conversely, David Cameron was probably the most economically right-wing and least socialist PM the country has ever had (or at least post-WW2), even over Thatcher, with his brutal period of austerity and cuts to public spending. And I think generally at least in Europe we mean economically when talking about right and left. It’s the Americanisation of politics that has meant social policy has started to creep into what people mean by what’s left of right over the last 15 years or so (I always think the massive amount of coverage Sarah Palin and her views got was the beginning of the Americanisation of European politics).
 

To give splinterdream the benefit of the doubt, which his posts probably don’t warrant, I think he’s mixing up social policy and economic policy there by saying the Tories went to the left and bemoaning socialism - socially, if you’re using an American definition of right and left, sure, they had more liberal social policy, but that Tory government between 2010-2024 was the most economically right-wing post-WW2 government the uk has had. I mean saying they moved the Tories to the left economically compared to someone like Ted Heath who was significantly to the left of Blair, Brown or Starmer (and even moreso than Cameron, May, Johnson or Sunak) economically obviously doesn’t track. 

And as if social progress isn't a good thing.

 

Unless someone wants to think that every demographic but one is inferior and they should all be subordinate to that one demographic or not exist at all? (And before the accusations of hyperbole, exactly what was the social situation in that regard for the last several centuries without that progress?)

[splinterdream]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

 

And as if social progress isn't a good thing.

 

Unless someone wants to think that every demographic but one is inferior and they should all be subordinate to that one demographic or not exist at all? (And before the accusations of hyperbole, exactly what was the social situation in that regard for the last several centuries without that progress?)

I don't agree with housing built in favour of LGBTQ+ as defined by Councillor Bev Craig, or the Asian Accesz programmed at Dufham University. Is this social progress?

Is this what the left think is a good thing? 

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

I don't agree with housing built in favour of LGBTQ+ as defined by Councillor Bev Craig, or the Asian Accesz programmed at Dufham University. Is this social progress?

Is this what the left think is a good thing? 

Well, in that case the second paragraph of my original post may well apply. Like I said, if someone isn't keen on measures taken to ensure social progress and equity, then I can only assume that person is fine with stratified demographic hierarchy - with, presumably, their own right at the top and especially undesirable ones not existing at all. Whatever political compassing label people want to put on it is immaterial imo - treating other people as, well, people, and equals, should really transcend that. 

 

NB. Whenever you want to address the points made in our previous conversation in good faith, it would be welcomed. 

Edited 16 April by leicsmac

[leicsmac]

Also, in yet another attempt to get this thread back on track, two that hopefully most can agree with and embody the above ethos of demographic superiority:

 

Stephen Miller and Pete Hegseth. 

[splinterdream]

43 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Yeah, but conversely, David Cameron was probably the most economically right-wing and least socialist PM the country has ever had (or at least post-WW2), even over Thatcher, with his brutal period of austerity and cuts to public spending. And I think generally at least in Europe we mean economically when talking about right and left. It’s the Americanisation of politics that has meant social policy has started to creep into what people mean by what’s left of right over the last 15 years or so (I always think the massive amount of coverage Sarah Palin and her views got was the beginning of the Americanisation of European politics).
 

To give splinterdream the benefit of the doubt, which his posts probably don’t warrant, I think he’s mixing up social policy and economic policy there by saying the Tories went to the left and bemoaning socialism - socially, if you’re using an American definition of right and left, sure, they had more liberal social policy, but that Tory government between 2010-2024 was the most economically right-wing post-WW2 government the uk has had. I mean saying they moved the Tories to the left economically compared to someone like Ted Heath who was significantly to the left of Blair, Brown or Starmer (and even moreso than Cameron, May, Johnson or Sunak) economically obviously doesn’t track. 

I remember the head to heads with Cameron, Clegg and Milliband. 

Even Milliband was advocating for cuts,  lower immigration due to the deficit.

It was what the Country voted for.

I said in the 14 years of Tory leadership they veered to the left. In being told that was wrong, I gave some examples.

In simplistic terms, when they left office, did we have low taxes, small govt? Where they traditionally conservative? 

I've heard it said Cameron was Blair 2. 

 

[splinterdream]

26 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Well, in that case the second paragraph of my original post may well apply. Like I said, if someone isn't keen on measures taken to ensure social progress and equity, then I can only assume that person is fine with stratified demographic hierarchy - with, presumably, their own right at the top and especially undesirable ones not existing at all. Whatever political compassing label people want to put on it is immaterial imo - treating other people as, well, people, and equals, should really transcend that. 

 

NB. Whenever you want to address the points made in our previous conversation in good faith, it would be welcomed. 

I'm sorry, I dont even rememebr your other post, i have other stuff going on, cooking dinner, finishing work etc 

[worthosoriginals]

Yeh and you had to tidy your trump posters and pin more up to the living room wall, and deliver reform leaflets,  its all time consuming eh?

[splinterdream]

4 minutes ago, worthosoriginals said:

Yeh and you had to tidy your trump posters and pin more up to the living room wall, and deliver reform leaflets,  its all time consuming eh?

Good, good, let the hate flow through you 🤣

[leicsmac]

8 hours ago, splinterdream said:

I'm sorry, I dont even rememebr your other post, i have other stuff going on, cooking dinner, finishing work etc 

 

12 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Because the future cost will be higher. I'm having to repeat myself there, clearly. 

 

The knock on pressures caused by energy prices are a failure of execution rather than intent. Fix the execution, do not abandon the intent. 

 

Can you explain why such a policy decision that flies in the face of reducing carbon emissions would go ahead in the first instance? This is either incompetence or malice from the powers that be of all stripes... or the facts stated here are made up. 

 

Citation really, really needed. 

 

Biomass really shouldn't be part of any ongoing energy solution anyway and it's disingenuous to suggest it is being touted otherwise. Small fission reactors + tailored renewables is the way forward.

 

And if Western governments are pulling back on such policies, then they, and all of us, are responsible for every single drop of blood spilled as a result of critical resource shortages caused by increasing global average temperature. 

 

Now, in return, seeing as you appear to not want to discuss the big picture, allow me to ask you a question. Two, in fact. 

 

Firstly, what effects do you think the scientifically proven increase in average temperatures will have to our species and biodiversity should we not take enough action to address it? And secondly, do you think those effects are simply the price that future generations will have to pay for our own comfortable lives?

 

Because right now, all I'm hearing is importance being placed on "me" and "now".

No apology needed and I'll happily refresh your memory then. Goodness knows how many of us are busy.

 

Also, you're under no real obligation to answer and feel free to keep it to yourself, but I am genuinely curious to know more about worldviews on this matter because I believe, and can prove, that more lives than anything other than an all-out nuclear war depend on the right path being taken on it.

[Grebfromgrebland]

13 hours ago, splinterdream said:

Can you explain why we pay huge subsidies for this that mean granny smith cant afford to put the boiler on.

Can you explain why in my industry we moved to condensing boilers that are full of non recyclable, last half as long, break down more often and spew out twice the levels of CO/CO2%.

Why do we push for electric cars when they are more harmful to the environment? 

Western govts are pulling back on climate change policies. 

The reason we pay massive subsidiaries to Drax is nothing to do with the environment or green policies. The owner of Drax is nasty individual who is old money. 

 

They have simply found a way to extract millions from the treasury and pretend it's eco friendly.

 

It's a con but Drax is part of the untouchable wealthy elite and establishment hence the privileged status it has.

 

Chopping down forests to burn the wood for electricity isn't the way forward.

[DennisNedry]

Came on this thread to read about somebody kerb stomping a hedgehog but instead people are posting about the merits of David Cameron's Conservative government. Disappointed.

[leicsmac]

22 minutes ago, DennisNedry said:

Came on this thread to read about somebody kerb stomping a hedgehog but instead people are posting about the merits of David Cameron's Conservative government. Disappointed.

You're right. Let's get things back on track. 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2026/03/world/expose-rape-assault-online-vis-intl/index.html

 

Every single person who has participated in this. And those who know someone who did but didn't do the right thing, too. 

[Samilktray]

4 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

You're right. Let's get things back on track. 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2026/03/world/expose-rape-assault-online-vis-intl/index.html

 

Every single person who has participated in this. And those who know someone who did but didn't do the right thing, too. 

What about that war against the bloody manosphere hey

[leicsmac]

10 minutes ago, Samilktray said:

What about that war against the bloody manosphere hey

"But, but, it was only 62 million visits, not 62 million men..."

[urban.spaceman]

On 16/04/2026 at 19:45, splinterdream said:

I voted Blair in 97 and Conservative ever since. Sometimes I've gladly voted Conservative, and sometimes I've voted Conservative to keep Labour out.

You come across as having a very high opinion of yourself dismissing others opinions whenever you're replying to me, you seem to make assumptions about my opinions, maybe I wasnt clear enough.

 

The conservatives moved to the left. Fact. Like New Labour moved to the right in the opinion of those on the left.

I dont agree with thisbwas a good thing for the Country, this is my political opinion, it maybe right or wrong, but living standards in the Country have gone downhill. The alternative to the Tories was Milliband or Corbyn, my opinion is this would have been far worse.

I don't like socialism, or the modern day left wing politics which seems like it has come from the US which is often defined as 'woke' but seems to me divisive, but I do have opinions that are left wing.

Working class to me is where you may have grown up in a certain household, which may be in many cases a dysfunctional household, where no parents will have gone to University, or where you have ended up in a blue collar job. You may have grown up working class and become middle class. I have often worked in homes where customers would look down there nose at me because i'm a tradesman in overalls 

You’ve voted Tory for the last 25 years and you have the temerity to complain about Labour being in power?

[Clogger_]

Owners of the social media sites and newspapers that are encouraging this: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/apr/18/the-families-torn-apart-by-older-relatives-going-far-right

 

(For some reason, Alison's story about her brother seems apposite...)

Edited 18 April by Clogger_

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

Owners of the social media sites and newspapers that are encouraging this: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/apr/18/the-families-torn-apart-by-older-relatives-going-far-right

 

(For some reason, Alison's story about her brother seems apposite...)

As far as those owners are concerned, people like the ones mentioned in the article are the proper position of a pound sign in a spreadsheet, nothing more. Division means engagement. Engagement means clicks. Clicks mean ad revenue. 

 

They view other people as things. Which, if anyone has read Discworld, is the original sin. 

 

It's up to anyone decent with the power and ability to disabuse them of those notions. By whatever means necessary. 

[leicsmac]

Katie Miller, going full Wife-in-Handmaids-Tale.

 

Here's an idea: let women be free to make these often difficult choices with autonomy?

 

 

Edit: also with added racially bigoted dog-whistle in the last few words there. 

Edited 18 April by leicsmac

[Clogger_]

On 16/04/2026 at 21:46, Heathrow fox said:

David Cameron took huge strides to make the Conservatives X’s more socially progressive.I don’t think that is up for debate.

It's absolutely up for debate. Yes he was persuaded against his instincts to legislate to allow gay people to marry: a big step after the Tory party's disgraceful attitude towards gay people for many years previously. That *rightly* built on the civil partnership legislation which I recall many Tories fiercely opposed. Cannot remember anything else that was vaguely "socially progressive" from Cameron. Not a vapour of liberalism left in the Tories nowadays as they grovel for crumbs from bonkers Americans, far right billionaires and their media empires. Conclusion: fake all the way.

 

P.s. Don't like any revisionism about Cameron or his government. We'll never undo the colossal damage they wrought on our country.

 

 

 

[Parafox]

2 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

It's absolutely up for debate. Yes he was persuaded against his instincts to legislate to allow gay people to marry: a big step after the Tory party's disgraceful attitude towards gay people for many years previously. That *rightly* built on the civil partnership legislation which I recall many Tories fiercely opposed. Cannot remember anything else that was vaguely "socially progressive" from Cameron. Not a vapour of liberalism left in the Tories nowadays as they grovel for crumbs from bonkers Americans, far right billionaires and their media empires. Conclusion: fake all the way.

 

P.s. Don't like any revisionism about Cameron or his government. We'll never undo the colossal damage they wrought on our country.

 

 

 

In particular that weird person that was Margaret Thatcher.

 

It's tough call but she is probably the main reason that we are where we are and the Conservatives have continued to milk (pardon the pun) her legacy at the cost of the working class.