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Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

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leicsmac

leicsmac

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, kenny said:

Fairly sure they do it for the money tbh.

Right, well when this discussion is ready to move beyond missing the point either through failure to communicate or straight up deliberately being disingenuous, I'll be about again. 

kenny

kenny

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36 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Right, well when this discussion is ready to move beyond missing the point either through failure to communicate or straight up deliberately being disingenuous, I'll be about again. 

Nah, you are just to make a very simple discussion overly vague and complex.

 

Norway is a capitalist petrostate that makes half it's GDP from hydrocarbons and associated manufacturing industry.

 

It also has massive hydroelectric potential alongside is forestry industry. It has the sort of natural resources other countries can only dream of. It also has a small population.

 

It does very well to use it's resources to give wealth to it's citizens. From an environmental perspective, it exports it's carbon in order to generate wealth for itself.

 

Tldr. Brilliant country, great people, not as environmentally or socially progressive as many believe. All IMO.

CornwallFox

CornwallFox

Posted
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1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Not what I meant by that question, selling oil for carbon emission results is the sole purpose of the system they have? 

 

 In any case, this line of argument has absolutely zero to do with the fact that the way that the the way the Nordic and some East Asian countries are developing in terms of their energy tech may well be the only way to avoid future disaster. If people want to use some aspects of the "how" as a kind of gotcha to imply they're not examples to follow then fair enough - just be aware that it doesn't mean much in terms of the overall picture, particularly when no better examples are presented alongside.

One might point out that Norway is only one of the Scandinavian countries. Other Scandinavian countries exist that have pretty much phased out fossil fuels. Though tbh, I wouldn't even bother when the debate is with somebody that doesn't debate honestly. Hence why I blocked him a while ago. 

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kenny

kenny

Posted
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17 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

One might point out that Norway is only one of the Scandinavian countries. Other Scandinavian countries exist that have pretty much phased out fossil fuels. Though tbh, I wouldn't even bother when the debate is with somebody that doesn't debate honestly. Hence why I blocked him a while ago. 

Fair shout on non Norway countries.

 

As I'm blocked, you won't be able to learn that the UK produces more low carbon gWh of power than any of the Scandinavian countries. (Higher by percentage use of course). This is despite the obvious disadvantages of over population, lack of geothermal potential and hydroelectric generation possibilities.

 

All of the above has only been posted to continue a dishonest debate of course. Right thread for it though.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

Posted
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8 hours ago, kenny said:

Nah, you are just to make a very simple discussion overly vague and complex.

 

Norway is a capitalist petrostate that makes half it's GDP from hydrocarbons and associated manufacturing industry.

 

It also has massive hydroelectric potential alongside is forestry industry. It has the sort of natural resources other countries can only dream of. It also has a small population.

 

It does very well to use it's resources to give wealth to it's citizens. From an environmental perspective, it exports it's carbon in order to generate wealth for itself.

 

Tldr. Brilliant country, great people, not as environmentally or socially progressive as many believe. All IMO.

These things do tend to be a bit more complex than often portrayed, imo. 

 

That being said, I think this is a decent summation (would also include again that both Norway and the rest of the Scandics appear to have a much better grasp on wealth disparity and therefore quality of life than most other places), but now I'm curious about the motive for this criticism the first place. I think it's a valid point that even though Norway sells the stuff, the buyers don't have to use it for the purpose of power generation with all the associated trouble - and imo that's both a much greater sin and the responsibility of the buyer, not the seller, when other uses are available. 

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kenny

kenny

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12 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

These things do tend to be a bit more complex than often portrayed, imo. 

 

That being said, I think this is a decent summation (would also include again that both Norway and the rest of the Scandics appear to have a much better grasp on wealth disparity and therefore quality of life than most other places), but now I'm curious about the motive for this criticism the first place. I think it's a valid point that even though Norway sells the stuff, the buyers don't have to use it for the purpose of power generation with all the associated trouble - and imo that's both a much greater sin and the responsibility of the buyer, not the seller, when other uses are available. 

Said every drug dealer ever...

leicsmac

leicsmac

Posted
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Just now, kenny said:

Said every drug dealer ever...

And every arms dealer, no doubt. 

 

But their products serve one purpose alone. Hydrocarbon products, at the present time at least, serve several. And while I'm absolutely against using them for power generation because of the obvious reasons, I'm not so naive to think that society can abandon things like plastics just yet, or that the creation of such things does nearly as much damage (again, at the present time) as power generation when other better alternatives are readily available.

leicsmac

leicsmac

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5 minutes ago, Parafox said:

I'm not paying for links, so I can't access the story.

And you are right to make that point. 

 

As such, you absolutely should not visit https://archive.ph/ and you definitely should not just copy and paste the article link address into the search bar there to read it. :ph34r:

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Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

Posted
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6 hours ago, bovril said:

At this point in time it might be harder to identify Afghans not involved in this type of activity than those who are

I'm not sure we should be vilifying just one dog breed here.

Jon the Hat

Jon the Hat

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9 hours ago, bovril said:

At this point in time it might be harder to identify Afghans not involved in this type of activity than those who are

Makes you wonder is anyone is actually explaining to these ****s that the law here is very very different to that in Afghanistan.

Unabomber

Unabomber

Posted
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47 minutes ago, CollinsLCFC said:

People who decide it's a good idea to drag their dogs out during the peak hot weather we're having. 

Yeah this is really bad. Blows my mind why they even have a dog 

splinterdream

splinterdream

Posted
Posted (edited)
49 minutes ago, CollinsLCFC said:

People who decide it's a good idea to drag their dogs out during the peak hot weather we're having. 

Also the people that go running with their dog on a lead tied to their waste so the dog has no choice but to run 

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Sly

Sly

Posted
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14 minutes ago, Unabomber said:

Yeah this is really bad. Blows my mind why they even have a dog 

My wife and I were discussing this earlier.
 

How do dogs in hotter countries cope? We came to the conclusion they’re more acclimatised to it! 

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