Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[Sampson]

13 minutes ago, lcfcell said:

Because we’re a very weak nation.

It's much more simple than that - and already explains it in the article - now that we're no longer part of the EU we don't have have access to French immigration or criminal records so we were unable to know what this guy had been convicted of in France nor his fingerprint or biometric records so had no way of knowing of his real identity,

 

We're weak on people smuggling of people coming into Europe, because its a shared European problem and we have decided to isolate ourselves from that and remove ourselves from shared European systems.

Edited 6 hours ago by Sampson

[Lionator]

2 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

US homeland security

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3eyxjy01y3o

 

They obviously couldn’t have predicted the earthquakes were going to strike (although if they had you’d bet they have sent them anyway) but really?

 

The Department of Homeland Security, which oversees US immigration enforcement agencies like Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), shared a statement, but offered no details on the case when asked by the BBC. 
 

"This flight safely reached Venezuela and all illegal aliens on board were returned home," a DHS spokesperson told BBC on Tuesday. "When an individual is no longer in ICE custody, ICE is no longer responsible for them."

 

Illegal aliens? What kind of language is that for an administration of a country to use!

 

Aliens obviously sounds horrible but is the standard term used in the states for illegal immigrants. 

[lcfcell]

14 minutes ago, Sampson said:

It's much more simple than that - and already explains it in the article - now that we're no longer part of the EU we don't have have access to French immigration or criminal records so we were unable to know what this guy had been convicted of in France nor his fingerprint or biometric records so had no way of knowing of his real identity,

 

We're weak on people smuggling of people coming into Europe, because its a shared European problem and we have decided to isolate ourselves from that and remove ourselves from shared European systems.

So he just gets to live here at the cost of the taxpayer and we can’t do anything about it? Enjoyable 

[CornwallFox]

8 minutes ago, lcfcell said:

So he just gets to live here at the cost of the taxpayer and we can’t do anything about it? Enjoyable 

Thank Brexit voters, Farage and Boris for the fact we lost our returns agreements with Europe and can no longer access all the same information as once could.

[LCFCJohn]

46 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Illegal aliens is the legal term for people who are not legally in the country.  Nothing sinister in it.

 

I doubt ICE have any more information than anyone else once the deportees left the plane.

 

36 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Aliens obviously sounds horrible but is the standard term used in the states for illegal immigrants. 

Fair enough. It sounds really vile as a term and basically sounds very primary school. They should reconsider this as fair enough if they don’t want them in their country, but they are still human beings. The use of the term alien implies otherwise.

 

@Jon the Hat, I’m in no way saying they are responsible by the way. Whether you agree or not, their immigration policy is theirs and like I said, they wouldn’t have known what would happen. 
 

My point was the statement would have been fine if it was essentially saying the plane landed safely and they were no longer the responsibility of the US/ICE and we have no further information. No issue with that. It was just the term alien that I still think is in very poor taste regardless of whether it’s their accepted terminology. 

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, Wymsey said:

Living in Leicestershire..

 

Why/How do they get away with the same freedom as members of the public who are innocent?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro

 

Imagine being a Brexiter angry about this when he is literally only here because of Brexit. 

[Muzzy_no7]

56 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Imagine being a Brexiter angry about this when he is literally only here because of Brexit. 

While Brexit has slowed admin and information sharing, it’s not the only reason he is here, is it? 

[Sampson]

2 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

While Brexit has slowed admin and information sharing, it’s not the only reason he is here, is it? 

Sure, but if someone has been a convicted criminal or refused assylum in France, Czechia, Poland, Italy, Greece, Denmark or wherever then as soon as they tried to apply in another European country even with a different name then as soon as they get their fingerprints taken as part of the application process their criminal record or refused application throught Europe will show up straight away. Since Brexit, that is no longer the case in the UK.

 

To use a Farage-ism - it's just common sense politics that Brexit has increased the pull factor towards the UK for these kind of applicants who are trying to hide criminal records or have been refused asylum elsewhere in Europe.

[Muzzy_no7]

13 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Sure, but if someone has been a convicted criminal or refused assylum in France, Czechia, Poland, Italy, Greece, Denmark or wherever then as soon as they tried to apply in another European country even with a different name then as soon as they get their fingerprints taken as part of the application process their criminal record or refused application throught Europe will show up straight away. Since Brexit, that is no longer the case in the UK.

 

To use a Farage-ism - it's just common sense politics that Brexit has increased the pull factor towards the UK for these kind of applicants who are trying to hide criminal records or have been refused asylum elsewhere in Europe.

I agree that leaving some EU information-sharing systems may have made parts of the process slower but that still doesn’t mean Brexit is the only, or even the main, reason someone like this ends up in the UK.

 

We still exchange fingerprint and criminality information with European countries—it’s not as though all cooperation stopped after Brexit.
 

People with criminal records, false identities or failed asylum claims were reaching the UK before brexit too. Cases involving identity fraud, delays in establishing someone’s true identity, legal appeals and administrative failures all existed while we were still in the EU.

 

As for the “pull factor” argument, that’s got some legs but it’s difficult to prove. People choose the UK for many reasons that pre-date Brexit: the English language, family connections, established communities, employment (including illegal work which is now a hell of a lot easier and a bigger pull regardless of Brexit), and the fact it’s an island that’s harder to remove people from once they’ve arrived. Those factors existed long before Brexit or conservative government .

 

So Brexit may have made some checks less efficient, but it’s a stretch to conclude that it’s the decisive reason this individual, or those like him, came to the UK or that Brexit itself created the problem. The evidence suggests it’s one factor among several, not the whole explanation or even the ‘main’ factor.

[kenny]

1 hour ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

I agree that leaving some EU information-sharing systems may have made parts of the process slower but that still doesn’t mean Brexit is the only, or even the main, reason someone like this ends up in the UK.

 

We still exchange fingerprint and criminality information with European countries—it’s not as though all cooperation stopped after Brexit.
 

People with criminal records, false identities or failed asylum claims were reaching the UK before brexit too. Cases involving identity fraud, delays in establishing someone’s true identity, legal appeals and administrative failures all existed while we were still in the EU.

 

As for the “pull factor” argument, that’s got some legs but it’s difficult to prove. People choose the UK for many reasons that pre-date Brexit: the English language, family connections, established communities, employment (including illegal work which is now a hell of a lot easier and a bigger pull regardless of Brexit), and the fact it’s an island that’s harder to remove people from once they’ve arrived. Those factors existed long before Brexit or conservative government .

 

So Brexit may have made some checks less efficient, but it’s a stretch to conclude that it’s the decisive reason this individual, or those like him, came to the UK or that Brexit itself created the problem. The evidence suggests it’s one factor among several, not the whole explanation or even the ‘main’ factor.

That particular establishment is well known to the police as they regularly sell alcohol and other products to teenagers resulting in anti social behaviour in the village.

 

Unfortunately, despite all the on the spot fines and continued criminality our beloved police didn't bother to check into the owner in any way. Bloody Brexit.