lcfc81 Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 I agree, we need to give Howard a break, he has preformed in every game so far and seems up for it (especially when he nailed that big CB yesterday, which he did on the first game of the season). In terms of our support, it seems we have alot of 'sheep' amongst the followers who don't know much about football they just seem to follow what everyone says, and because everyone said Howard was crap last season they say he is crap. Its funny, have a loud conversation about e.g. How crap Fryatt played apart from his two goals (or something equally ludicrous) and see how many people start to agree!
Stevosevic Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 But its fun to laugh at fat people. We would be laughing at most people on this forum then as the average football fan is hardly in top shape...
lildave3 Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 I now say Well done Big Steve to everything he does. I'd say it gets my point across.
Guest Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 he's doing well this season because he's found his divisionto be brutally honest Yes, that' why he scored 19 goals for Derby in the championship. And scored a hat-trick against promoted West Brom. Not bad for a donkey.
Cobbo Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 This was fun. I am still pissed from the weekend. It's Howard's fault, lazy bastard.
Rocky Dennis Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 Just check on his goals/assists per start and at Championship level in his first full season in the senior team and how well we did last season when he didn't play. Then, if you get the chance, check on the opinion of senior people at the club. Porter is a very positive footballer. If asked, he can play on the wing. If asked he can forage back defensively and if asked he can play central midfield. He is probably as good a passer as we have in the club, is among our best dead ball kickers and is also as good at retaining possession as anyone else. Given chance he has good shooting technique so there's nothing to stop him bagging his share of goals and all he's lacking right now, after a full-season out, is a bit of match sharpness and more familiarity with his role in a new team. It's no easy coming back after long term injury as Fryatt found out. There is no way I'm going to forward an argument about Porter or Dyer being better than one another. If Pearson has any sense, which he seems to have, both will be fully involved and utilised and Porter in more than one position depending on the situation. We paid some for not involving and having faith in King last season and it would be the same with Porter. Fortunately I don't think the manager thinks as you do. Well Thrac, I cant be bothered to trawl through stats about players! I comment on what I see with my own eyes, he looked ineffective to me yesterday, that may partly down to his lack of football/fitness? I often think thats an easy excuse to hide behind, Ive seen plenty of Porter when fully fit and my opinion of him is the same, I'll never boo him though. Porter is clearly one of your faves, thats fair enough, but I personally couldnt give a monkeys about all the stats and what weve achieved as a team with or without him! To me, he is (always has been) too slow and overweight! I think Dyer is much more dangerous and actually attacked their defence more often than Porter which is ironic as he was left back. Im all for playing youngsters, especially local ones, but only if they are good enough and in my opinion Porter isnt.
Unabomber Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 I like his heroic slide challenges in recent games.
smokey Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 It's getting very annoying now. Despite Howard playing well and contributing a huge part to our win on Saturday, you've still got mindless morons having a go at him at every opportunity.So, while being fairly drunk during the game, me and the Cob started mockingly doing the same. It's fair to say that while amusing those around us, the abuse then seemed to stop. I wish they would fook off. I agree, i said it all summer but Love them or hate them, Howard and Fryatt will get you goals in this division, simple as that!!
General Smuts Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 We would be laughing at most people on this forum then as the average football fan is hardly in top shape... I make a point of pointing and laughing at LD3 every time i see him. The fat bastard.
Corky Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 I like his heroic slide challenges in recent games. Then his looks of astonishment as the ref gives a free-kick when he is about ten minutes late on the tackle
Thracian Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 Well Thrac,I cant be bothered to trawl through stats about players! I comment on what I see with my own eyes, he looked ineffective to me yesterday, that may partly down to his lack of football/fitness? I often think thats an easy excuse to hide behind, Ive seen plenty of Porter when fully fit and my opinion of him is the same, I'll never boo him though. Porter is clearly one of your faves, thats fair enough, but I personally couldnt give a monkeys about all the stats and what weve achieved as a team with or without him! To me, he is (always has been) too slow and overweight! I think Dyer is much more dangerous and actually attacked their defence more often than Porter which is ironic as he was left back. Im all for playing youngsters, especially local ones, but only if they are good enough and in my opinion Porter isnt. I've always used stats as a aide to judging footballers. I also look at the range of things players are capable of, how often they deliver something notable and their limitations. Porter is not slow but he's not quick enough, as a winger, to beat most full-backs for pace. Consequently he tends to pass and move to make progress and plenty of wide playes have done that. Beckham hardly ever beat a man and nor did Alan Hinton at the time Forest were winning the European Cup to mention two. However the point about pace only strengthens my belief that Porter's slightly better suited to attacking midfield where his range and weight of passing can better be utilised and where he might have more chance to use his shooting ability. Dyer has never been "much more dangerous" during his time here. Take all the games both have played since Pearson's arrival, friendlies and otherwise, and Porter leads on both goals and assists by a distance. That's not meant as a criticism of Dyer who's only been here for five minutes or of proof that Porter is the better because the level of opposition was sometimes a factor. But there is no basis for your comment. Dyer's scored once in a friendly since his arrival - he missed a gilt edged chance at Stockport - and I've not noticed him tearing defences to pieces. He's had his moments, played his part and helped us get some poiints as Porter did as we amassed a two-nil lead Saturday following on from his outstanding efforts in the friendlies. In all matches under Pearson I'd rate Dyer a collective 6.5 and Porter 7 for his greater overall effect on results. I don't know about him being a "favourite" of mine but I certainly rate his ability just as I do that of most City squad players just now. But if you think I'd rate him higher or lower or mark down Dyer to make a point you're entirely wrong. In fact in some ways I'd be tempted to play Porter and Dyer in a 3-5-2 in some circumstances, and have said so before. I've campaigned for years to get City to take a more positive approach and now they've got an abundance of attacking footballers - and are resting proudly in second place as a consequence, in part and with an aggregate of 6-1 in goals for the season so far - then I'd certainly be inclined to use them.
lcfcrinaldi Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 Thats spot on Howard realy annoyed me last season and Hinckley friendly but my views have completely changed now and is one of our best players.
iancognito Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 IF that's true then if people don't produce people will be hated... if that's the case they why has Fryatt had so much support when producing nothing. Even when he wasn't scoring, he was trying to contribute whereas the twisted ex-roof at the side of the Holiday Inn Express had more movement than Howard last season. Howard is doing well at the minute and will get goals at this level, everyone has said that but there are some fans who won't let players start with a clean slate and unless he bangs in 1 every other game, they'll use last season's form at every opportunity they get. I've always used stats as a aide to judging footballers. I also look at the range of things players are capable of, how often they deliver something notable and their limitations. Porter is not slow but he's not quick enough, as a winger, to beat most full-backs for pace. Consequently he tends to pass and move to make progress and plenty of wide playes have done that. Beckham hardly ever beat a man and nor did Alan Hinton at the time Forest were winning the European Cup to mention two. However the point about pace only strengthens my belief that Porter's slightly better suited to attacking midfield where his range and weight of passing can better be utilised and where he might have more chance to use his shooting ability. Dyer has never been "much more dangerous" during his time here. Take all the games both have played since Pearson's arrival, friendlies and otherwise, and Porter leads on both goals and assists by a distance. That's not meant as a criticism of Dyer who's only been here for five minutes or of proof that Porter is etc etc etc etc blah, blah, blah This is a thread about Steve Howard, isn't it? Good. Just checking.
purpleronnie Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 It's getting very annoying now. Despite Howard playing well and contributing a huge part to our win on Saturday, you've still got mindless morons having a go at him at every opportunity.So, while being fairly drunk during the game, me and the Cob started mockingly doing the same. It's fair to say that while amusing those around us, the abuse then seemed to stop. I wish they would fook off. Maybe they think its too little too late, they pay their money they can express an opinion.
Simi Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 IF that's true then if people don't produce people will be hated... if that's the case they why has Fryatt had so much support when producing nothing. It's something we'll never know. But hating Howard seems to be the new loving Fryatt, probably from the same bunch because he might start taking the shine of our Matthew's Halo. God forbid.
leicesterseddon Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 I'd like to hear you explanation of his record with Derby and Luton in the league above us then? he wasn't nearing the end of his career like i said...he's doing well, but didn't do well at all last season and i doubt he'd do much better if we go back up again. for the moment, i'd agree that he's been one of our better players tho
Legend_in_blue Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 People seem to forget how abysmal our midfield was last season. In fact, I cannot think of another period in the history of our club when the midfield was as dire as it was last season. So why then do people mock Howard's performances last season when you have a completely ineffective midfield sitting right behind you. What do you expect Howard to do with such a pathetic level of service as was the case last season? The only type of player able to capitalise out of this situation was the player who could conjure up something for themselves, rather than rely on others to provide opportunities. The only player capable of this was Hume, who did so as and when he could, when he was playing in the right position. No target man in the football league is going to conjure something up out of nothing. Scoring requires the opportunity arising from a quality pass, cross, throughball, whatever. How fans can justify this being Howards fault beats me. I can't understand it. Yet he gets the stick. And yet he still gets the stick this season. Some muppet shouts out 'Come on Howard, get to it' in Saturday's game when Howard is on the other side of the 18 yard box and Fryatt is a matter of yards away. It's pathetic. What do you honestly expect from a target man? The reason he's putting in the performances this season is because, for the first time in about 4 seasons, he's got a bank of 4 players behind him who actually look effective as an attacking unit in providing opportunities for the front men. That's it. Rant over. Get off the man's back.
Guest Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 Bit of a rant, but a fair point. I don't think he is a target man, not in the true sense. He seems to prefer balls being played on the ground.
Scow Posted 25 August 2008 Author Posted 25 August 2008 he wasn't nearing the end of his careerlike i said...he's doing well, but didn't do well at all last season and i doubt he'd do much better if we go back up again. for the moment, i'd agree that he's been one of our better players tho I'd understand that view if he was a player that relied on his pace, but he doesn't.
leicesterseddon Posted 25 August 2008 Posted 25 August 2008 I'd understand that view if he was a player that relied on his pace, but he doesn't. that's part of the problem
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