Tommy G Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 Agreed, Barry does what a defensive midfielder needs to do with no fuss. He sits in front of the back four lovely covering, sweeping up balls and allowing 'x' whether it be Lampard or Gerrard or whoever to go forward.I don't think Heskey was on his 'arse' all day. Heskey put himself around and held the ball up superbly, he is the best big man we have. To be honest, he is never going to be a prolific goalscorer and thats most probably why Martin O'Neill played him on the left during days at Leicester. I don't think I can name a big man who scores for fun, apart from Adebayor and nobody say Crouch please <_< He does for England though. His record speaks for itself really I'm afraid.
TrickyTrev Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 I think he used Spain as an example and we all know that they are the biggest underachievers but it was only an example I think. Could of said, Brazil, Italy, Germany, Holland etc who are all better than England.Besides, I think Germany are great anyway. How have Germany, Italy and Hollland got better players than England? In terms of natural talent there is no justification and we are not the shambles of yesteryear in terms of organisation. I think in this world cup there are two outstanding sides that the winner will probably come from, Spain and Brazil. But we belong to the next tier down who are talented enough to beat anyone on their day and therefore have an outside chance to take it. I would include Germany, Italy, Holland, Ivory Coast, Russia, Argentina, France and possibly Serbia in that group as well. Of those teams we are looking a hell of a lot better right now than Argentina, France and Portugal.
Fox92 Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 He does for England though. His record speaks for itself really I'm afraid. I know it does, I just don't like him though... Anyway, with all the English players in the world to choose from fit, I think my team for the World Cup finals would be; Green ?? -- Terry -- Ferdinand -- Cole ?? -- Gerrard -- Barry -- Cole Rooney ?? ___ Right then, the ?? at full back is either Glen Johnson but I am not to sure that he can defend. Ok, he is great going forward but am not sure about his defending and the commentator pointed out that he may be the weak link and coming up against a player like Ribery etc I think he could loose out. However, I am not sure about the other right backs. Who have we got, Richards and Brown? Is that it? Becuase Johnson is better than both of them as they are really centre backs more than anything. The ?? on the right I am not sure about either. Ok, Lennon was ok last night, not great but remember he came up against a midfielder playing full back and his distribution is not that great either. However, no David Beckham! And the last ?? is about the player to play up front, supported by Rooney, to score the goals. I want to see how Michael Owen goes this season at Manchester United first becuase he is deadly when fit. Or do we need a big man? If so Heskey gets the nod for me over the others, who I suppose is Crouch. Like to see how the average players of Lennon and Defoe are against quality oposition like Brazil, Spain, France, Holland, Germany etc becuase I don't rate them both and Defoe's goals so far have been against 'weeker' teams. Can't wait for the World Cup but in honesty, I can't see us doing much as always.
lildave3 Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 Where's all this Johnson can't defend stuff come from? Course he bloody well can.
Tommy G Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 Where's all this Johnson can't defend stuff come from? Course he bloody well can. Have you watched the last two England games? He bombs forward and we leave 3 at the back every time. Terry was playing RB for most of last night. He also got skinned on two occasions by Slovenian's on Saturday. his positioning is shocking and eaves us exposed at the back where we will will get done over by semi decent sides.
davieG Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 I think he used Spain as an example and we all know that they are the biggest underachievers but it was only an example I think. Could of said, Brazil, Italy, Germany, Holland etc who are all better than England.Besides, I think Germany are great anyway. How many 'world class' players do they have?
lildave3 Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 Have you watched the last two England games? He bombs forward and we leave 3 at the back every time. Terry was playing RB for most of last night. He also got skinned on two occasions by Slovenian's on Saturday. his positioning is shocking and eaves us exposed at the back where we will will get done over by semi decent sides. Yeah I have. What's the problem with him bombing forward if he's going to set up goals the way he did last night? I love to see attacking full backs, and 3 at the back isn't a problem is it? There's two strikers, the winger is forced to track Johnson. Win win. Players get beaten sometimes, it's not the end of the world. There should still be people defending the cross shouldn't there? All the attention from last nights goal was on him, when there wasn't a word said on the reactions of the defenders once Green made the first save. At the end of the day, you don't get bought for £17 million by one of the biggest clubs in the World if you can't defend.
CosbehFox Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 At the end of the day, you don't get bought for £17 million by one of the biggest clubs in the World if you can't defend. Bought by a Spanish lunatic...the guy who sells one of the world's most competent full-backs for £4 million and then signs one whose prone to the odd error for £18 million.
StanSP Posted 10 September 2009 Author Posted 10 September 2009 Yeah I have. What's the problem with him bombing forward if he's going to set up goals the way he did last night? I love to see attacking full backs, and 3 at the back isn't a problem is it? There's two strikers, the winger is forced to track Johnson. Win win. Players get beaten sometimes, it's not the end of the world. There should still be people defending the cross shouldn't there? All the attention from last nights goal was on him, when there wasn't a word said on the reactions of the defenders once Green made the first save. At the end of the day, you don't get bought for £17 million by one of the biggest clubs in the World if you can't defend. These two points exactly.
shen Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 If we start the World Cup with that 11 apart from Ferdinand coming in for Upson then I predict at least a semi-final place, seriously. Only Spain at the minute will be a team I will fear playing against, not really that intimidated by Brazil. If we play with the attacking mindset like we did last night we could beat anyone. You never know with Brazil, but after them watching last night, I have to say they look frightening. Chile are an excellent side and played very well, but Brazil were even a notch better and the physique in their side is at least equal to England's. It was spectacular how they dismantled Chiles side in 5 minutes with a man less. And apparently they did well against the Argies too.
Lillehamring Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 As much as I like Norway and Norwegians, I would not want them at the World Cup (Nor would I want the terrible terrible Swedes!). It's a bit embarrassing to finish second with only 10 points after 8 games. Both those scenarios are bordering on the impossible. Portugal won't lose at home, Sweden will pick up at least a point and judging on yesterdays performance against Albania, you shouldn't count on us winning both those matches either. Group 8 scenario seems more likely, but it's still a very very long shot. fair enough, it is staggeringly unlikely, but so was the runner's up spot 3 games ago, just a shame norway were so poor in iceland last week should this miracle series of results happen and norway qualify, even with a year to prepare it will be a couple of seasons too soon, apparently the under21 coach is on record as saying there are no exceptional players coming through so maybe euro 2016
AjcW Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 Bought by a Spanish lunatic...the guy who sells one of the world's most competent full-backs for £4 million and then signs one whose prone to the odd error for £18 million. A spanish lunatic Im sure what you meant to say here was one of the best managers in european football. As for johnson. Brilliant player who CAN defend... and when he bombs forward whats the problem with terry playing right back! It works doesnt it, weve hardly conceded any goals.
The Doctor Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 no world cup now. outclassed the dutch for a large portion of the game, perfectly good goal disallowed, missed two chances where we should have scored (brown and miller) and then done by a, frankly, brilliant goal. ah well look forward to the return of international football next autumn.
CosbehFox Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 A spanish lunatic Im sure what you meant to say here was one of the best managers in european football. The blokes a loony regardless of the results he's achieved. Falls out with his 3rd best player at the club because he wants to be with his wife at the birth of his first child. Spends ridiciously amount on full backs when Liverpool have probably possessed the best three in the Premiership during his era who all left. Relies on two players way too much, complete ignores the reserves and building any kind of squad. Signs an injuried player for £20 million. Insists on playing Lucas and trying to get Voronin minutes. Also signs youngsters for millions from clubs and then sells them for a fraction of the first fee or releases them.
dandannieldanok Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 Only managed to catch the second half live and then the highlights (so I can't really comment on Heskey ). I'm really glad we stuffed these twice now. Yes because it's a good revenge (especially if Ukraine can nick that second place) but also because I personally dislike Slaven Bilic. This may have been one of the tamer groups in European qualifiying but you really can't fault England, a completely deserved 100% record. We've taken out the better teams with style and conviction and toughed it out against the poorer teams that pack their defences. The only problem is that the World Cup may come a little late for us, we've built up so much momentum now we could have done with it starting tomorrow!
Samilktray Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 England qualified. Argentina potentially not qualifying. I approve.
Guest Bilo Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 England qualified.Argentina potentially not qualifying. I approve. I'm no fan of Argentina as a football nation but a World Cup without the best player in the world in Messi would just seem wrong. Reduce the competition for us though I suppose if they failed, and the look on Maradona's face as a nation that idolises him began to plan his lynching would be funny as shit. Torn.
Finnegan Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 As a neutral I want to see Aguero, Tevez, Messi and co' play. The Argies might be a nation of whingey, poor tempered bad losers but they've got one of the most potentially exciting attacking lines in the world at the moment. I can understand footballing rivals but if I was English I'd much rather play them and knock them out of the tournament than see them not qualify.
Guest Bilo Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 As a neutral I want to see Aguero, Tevez, Messi and co' play. The Argies might be a nation of whingey, poor tempered bad losers but they've got one of the most potentially exciting attacking lines in the world at the moment.I can understand footballing rivals but if I was English I'd much rather play them and knock them out of the tournament than see them not qualify. The sensible side of me leans towards this argument I must admit. If we did win the World Cup without the Argentines being there, we'd only have to endure tossers telling us we wouldn't have if Argentina had qualified forever more. Also, the talent that's in the squad would make their absence from the tournament all the poorer, like Holland missing out in 2002. I've always believed that the World Cup should be a showcase for the greatest players to perform in front of billions, which is why I was saddened when Liberia never qualified, denying George Weah the chance on the world stage. Same thing with Northern Ireland and Best as well as Wales and Giggs. The evil side of me though says it would be funny. Partly because of the history between us and partly because of the characteristics you've described. If Wales qualified and England didn't you would have every right to be amused by it. Much as I would if the Germans failed to qualify. As I say, majorly torn.
AjcW Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 Seing how shit aguero played last night upset me .
BlueSi13 Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 I hope Argentina get well and truly knocked out Think they'll just scrape through though Couldn't give a shit if some decent players miss out, especially when those players are either German or Argentinian <_< Football is a team game
leicesterfox86 Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 Where's all this Johnson can't defend stuff come from? Course he bloody well can. Very annoying isn't it? People just want someone / something to criticise. Now that Lampard and Gerrard can play together, they have gone for Johnson's defending. Best for him and everyone else to ignore it really. Johnson is one of the best right-back's around and Capello knows it so that's all that counts.
dandannieldanok Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 As a neutral I want to see Aguero, Tevez, Messi and co' play. The Argies might be a nation of whingey, poor tempered bad losers but they've got one of the most potentially exciting attacking lines in the world at the moment.I can understand footballing rivals but if I was English I'd much rather play them and knock them out of the tournament than see them not qualify. Potentially is the key word though, if they scrape through and keep with Maradona then it's wishful thinking that Argentina will suddenly turn it on at the World Cup after a horrendous qualifying campaign.
Guest Bilo Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 Potentially is the key word though, if they scrape through and keep with Maradona then it's wishful thinking that Argentina will suddenly turn it on at the World Cup after a horrendous qualifying campaign. Brazil struggled to qualify for the 2002 World Cup and won the thing, though I would agree they were the exception rather than the rule and that right now Argentina look as far away from winning the World Cup as they ever have.
purpleronnie Posted 10 September 2009 Posted 10 September 2009 Very annoying isn't it? People just want someone / something to criticise. Now that Lampard and Gerrard can play together, they have gone for Johnson's defending. Best for him and everyone else to ignore it really. Johnson is one of the best right-back's around and Capello knows it so that's all that counts. Yep best around, thats the frustrating thing.
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