Bert Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 Yeh, and I'm saying Rooney didn't win those things, Manchester United did. Did George Best ever win the World Cup? Oh no, he didn't because he was Irish, and they're shit. Using trophies as an indication of a players worth is shit. Using your eyes is generally a better idea. Next you'll be telling me Rooney's better because of all the media hype. But Rooney didn't play in any of them teams and make a big contribution did he? Oh wait, yes he did. My eyes are pretty decent, and Rooney is a much better "all round" player than Johnson. When was the last time you seen Johnson chase 70 yards back to help defend? When was the last time you seen Johnson win the ball back after losing it or giving it away? When was the last time Johnson scored 30 goals in a season? Rooney plays week in, week out. Johnson doesn't. If johnson was that good, he'd be like Tevez, Kompany, Yaya Toure at City that start week in week out.
sdb Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 Rooney > Johnson for me. Haven't got time for an argument tonight but Johnson is very left-sided and was pretty quiet at our place the other week. Obviously this is ability over form, because for the majority of the last 10 months Rooney has been appalling. By far the worst player at the world cup, imo, but when on form, 3 times the player AJ is.
Captain... Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 Are you mistaking Tevez for Dyer?? Nah I know the difference, Tevez is good Dyer's penalty was different I don't think he was looking for it, the defender stuck his leg across him and he went down, if he had stayed on his feet he probably wouldn't have got the ball, and it wasn't a clear cut shooting opportunity. Tevez was pretty much alone in the box, all he needed to do was take it past a desperately sliding Hobbs, which he could have done easily and slot it past Weale, there was no one else back. The only reason to leave your leg in and throw yourself to the floor is to get Hobbs sent off.
ScouseFox Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 Adam Johnson being bettter than Rooney :laugh:
lcfcadam Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 Are you mistaking Tevez for Dyer?? Oh come on I think we all know that Dyer was never going to make it to the ball again before Hart picked it up, so he had no choice but to take advantage of the outstretched leg. I think what Shrapnel's saying is that he probably thought through the whole thing, that the game would be even easier if we were down to 10 men, and so decided to have the foul and the pen instead of just staying up and slotting home which he probably would've done better than his taking of the penalty, which makes me laugh!
The Year Of The Fox Posted 19 January 2011 Author Posted 19 January 2011 Nah I know the difference, Tevez is good Dyer's penalty was different I don't think he was looking for it, the defender stuck his leg across him and he went down, if he had stayed on his feet he probably wouldn't have got the ball, and it wasn't a clear cut shooting opportunity. Tevez was pretty much alone in the box, all he needed to do was take it past a desperately sliding Hobbs, which he could have done easily and slot it past Weale, there was no one else back. The only reason to leave your leg in and throw yourself to the floor is to get Hobbs sent off. To me Tevez's was by far the more clear cut decision. Dyer seemed to wander into Viera's leg. I think Hobbs came sliding in with such momentum that Tevez couldn't get out the way. Having said that I wouldn't put it past him to try and get Hobbs sent off and score the penalty.
shailen Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 Are we seriously having an argument about whether johnson is better all round player than rooney. Simple answer is no. Rooney, gerrard and ashley cole are englands best players
tomtom Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 Back to the matter of the goal celebration, It probably was a little disrespectful as was Tevez's celebrations in both games, but take it as a compliment that our team and fans got to them in both games,.. if it was a walkover they wouldn't of even celebrated,... plus everyone does it even our players so let's not lose any sleep over it!!
The MayneFox Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 its laughable how Tevez and Johnson can do all this to a team that's a division below them, ye ok maybe in the Madchester derby sure, but to be honest the look like pricks doing it, and obviously money has done something to there head If i were Johnson/Tevez, and scored against a team a division below us, i'd celebrate with me players, (like Milner in the 1st game), even if i was getting stick, if i scored in a local derby i'd just run past there fans and look at everyone of them while im jogging (thats if i was getting stick!) seems pointless to be doing these celebrations to teams that are below you and to be fair not as "world-classed".
singinpete Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 Rooney is a World class footballer, Adam Johnson is a very good left winger. not even close!
Captain... Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 You are talking about 'all round' as in versatility. i am talking about footballing ability. Yes Rooney can play as a lone striker, or in a supporting role, but his football abilities are not that broad. Yes he's strong, scores goals, he can pass the ball, he can hold it up. I'd dispute he scores 'from anywhere on the pitch' because these days he scores pretty much all his goals from in the box (these days being last season). But how often does he go past a man? Very rarely. Rooney when he picks the ball up from deep, will either pass it, or run a few yards and blast it. Johnson will actually go past players with his pace or skill, and he has an end product. He is better technically, quicker, and has more of an impact on the game as a whole. Rooney does not win games single handedly, he plays in the best team in the country (arguably). He's also been a failure for England since he broke his foot a few years ago. Johnson has come off the bench a number of times for Man City this season and changed the game. He's also looked far more effective for England than Rooney's been for a long time. By saying he comes off the bench and changes game you are sort of admitting he is an impact player, he has pace, and that is his main weapon, coming on as a sub and running at defenders is always going to be his strength, but his passing and tackling and overall play is not as good as Rooney, if you don't believe me check out their stats. Johson has scored 3 goals in 21(13) this season in the prem. Wayne Rooney has only scored 2 but has played almost half the number of games 12(2) he is having the worst season of his career with injuries ad unrest and he still has a better goals to games ratio than Johnson and last season he scored 26 goals in the premiership. Compared to Johnson's 3.
marbelladave Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 I love a good Rooney argument... Personally I think he is hugely overated as a player, he has been gash for about the last year and hugely inconsistend for several years previously, he has become something of a star without actually producing very much at the highest level. Largely a waste of space for England in recent years, his best spell in was alongside Heskey in Capello's early games against largely third rate opposition and remains both a product and a victim of his own hype, as the Souh Africa debacle clearly demonstrated. His ability to fall flat in important games can be seen in his poor performances in competitive internationals and latter stages of the Champions League, he is now nothing but a 'flat track bully'. Like much of modern football it is about hype, money and media marketability, love him or hate him he shifts 'product', thats all that matters!
Kitchandro Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 I love a good Rooney argument... Personally I think he is hugely overated as a player, he has been gash for about the last year and hugely inconsistend for several years previously, he has become something of a star without actually producing very much at the highest level. Largely a waste of space for England in recent years, his best spell in was alongside Heskey in Capello's early games against largely third rate opposition and remains both a product and a victim of his own hype, as the Souh Africa debacle clearly demonstrated. His ability to fall flat in important games can be seen in his poor performances in competitive internationals and latter stages of the Champions League, he is now nothing but a 'flat track bully'. Like much of modern football it is about hype, money and media marketability, love him or hate him he shifts 'product', thats all that matters! Totally agree. Vastly overrated and not the player I thought he was going to be.
J.Lisemore Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 Rooneys been cack since last april, was cack in the world cup, cack off the field, cack role model. The money has gone to the cvnts head, he has never been in the same league as messi, kaka, ronaldo etc and never will be. You drop out of form for a couple of months, not 9 months! Agreed. Stupidly overrated.
Finnegan Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 Rooneys been cack since last april, was cack in the world cup, cack off the field, cack role model. The money has gone to the cvnts head, he has never been in the same league as messi, kaka, ronaldo etc and never will be. You drop out of form for a couple of months, not 9 months! Shit, don't get me wrong y'know. I agree with every word of that, I've been saying he ain't nowhere near the Messis and Ronaldos of this world for time and people just keep getting butthurt like I'm just saying it because I'm Welsh. F that. But for someone to suggest there's "more to Johnson's game" than Rooney's? That's just dumb. Johnson's just a decent Premier League winger. Rooney is one of those few individuals who has a rare blend of all three of the major attributes of a top footballer - athleticism, technical ability and a great footballing brain. Pains me to admit it but Rooney is tip top. Johnson's just a pair of fast pair of legs that can strike a ball pretty well.
cambridgefox Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 In Alan Partridge mode.idea for a gameshow. C**t or double C**t.Where we put Adam Johnson infront of a panel and they decide C**t or double C**t!
Fox92 Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 Personally I think he is hugely overated as a player, he has been gash for about the last year and hugely inconsistend for several years previously, he has become something of a star without actually producing very much at the highest level. Agree, but it happens, just look at Beckham.
marbelladave Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 Shit, don't get me wrong y'know. I agree with every word of that, I've been saying he ain't nowhere near the Messis and Ronaldos of this world for time and people just keep getting butthurt like I'm just saying it because I'm Welsh. F that. But for someone to suggest there's "more to Johnson's game" than Rooney's? That's just dumb. Johnson's just a decent Premier League winger. Rooney is one of those few individuals who has a rare blend of all three of the major attributes of a top footballer - athleticism, technical ability and a great footballing brain. Pains me to admit it but Rooney is tip top. Johnson's just a pair of fast pair of legs that can strike a ball pretty well. But he is not! Has not been for rather a long time, he has the ability to do something special and gets picked simply because of this possibility despite the obvious fact that the chances of this happening decline week on week. United make a staggering amount of money out of Rooney so, mostly, he plays even though, currently, Berbatov is in better form and scoring more goals. Mostly it does not matter as Utd simply role over inferior opposition but this season it is not really happening, only their remarkable ability to stay unbeaten has kept the doubts under control.
marbelladave Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 Agree, but it happens, just look at Beckham. Exactly, should have been retired with honour (from England) after Germany '06, arguably earlier... He was spent as a footballer by that time, but as a marketing opportunity....
Jimbo Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 I like Johnson, really like him, and I think he has the potential to he great. Rooney is over rated by most, but those who say he is massively over rated are drastically under rating him. To suggest that Johnson is better than Rooney is laughable!
Tommy G Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 Johnson is not Better than Rooney Rooney is overrated. If rooney finishes the season on current form, then he will have been out of form for a year. He is not even top 5 player in the world, overated to ****. I hate his attitude aswell. An all round cvnt
Ozwin Posted 19 January 2011 Posted 19 January 2011 What an utter ****, it was only a season or two back when he was playing in this league with the utter turd that is Midddlesborough.
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