davieG Posted 23 February 2011 Posted 23 February 2011 Dont think I said people shouldnt express counter opinions did I? I said there is no need for personal bitching as you just demonstrated. Big difference. Define personal bitching? I don't see that mine is I'm just stating facts.
Benji Posted 23 February 2011 Posted 23 February 2011 Jesus why is it when you express an opinion of a player etc on this forum you get ripped to shreds with people bitching. Respect other peoples opinions ffs ... we're all entitled to one Probably something to do with the fact that if you read enough threads on here you'll realise a lot of people don't even deserve to have an opinion.
I am Rod Hull Posted 23 February 2011 Posted 23 February 2011 Why is Ricardo not in the Englad set up?? His parents are Scottish.
lcfc_jme Posted 23 February 2011 Posted 23 February 2011 His parents are Scottish. I reckon he could do a job for Wales.
I am Rod Hull Posted 23 February 2011 Posted 23 February 2011 I reckon he could do a job for Wales. Nah, they've just had a bid accepted for Shaka Hislop.
lcfc_jme Posted 23 February 2011 Posted 23 February 2011 Nah, they've just had a bid accepted for Shaka Hislop. I'd rather have Chaka Khan.
hackneyfox Posted 23 February 2011 Posted 23 February 2011 If you're honestly saying that this guy has proved to be more re-assuring than Weale was pre-benching, then God help you. Weale was good pre benching, but only for a few games, he's a mistake waiting to happen, has been for ages and there have been plenty of mistakes. Every time he comes for a ball, in the air, or god forbid on the ground, I expect a mistake. He's been good, in patches, throughout his career with us. We do need a new goalie in summer, even if Ricardo improves.
Captain... Posted 23 February 2011 Posted 23 February 2011 A quick question about Ricardo, can anyone give me an example of a save he made, and if you can would Weale have let it in? Weale's biggest criticism comes from letting in long shots, I've not seen or heard of Ricardo saving any, maybe there haven't been any, but I can't think of a save of note he has made. When you have a situation like on Tuesday when he punched instead of catching and the defenders looked at him as if to say what the **** are you doing, then you can be fairly sure he is not inspiring confidence. Weale just happened to have his best game in a while when we signed Ricardo, and continued to play well until he was dropped, Sven's excuse for dropping him is utter crap. You do not drop your goalkeeper when he is on form because he is on form, it is just nonsense, you may believe the replacement to be significantly better fair enough, if we had signed Given then it would be irrelevant how good Weale was playing because Given is by far and away a better keeper. Clearly Sven thought Ricardo was and still is better, but the consensus on here is he isn't, and from what I've seen he isn't. If I was Welae I would be really pissed off and what Sven has shown is that it doesn't matter how well you are playing you may get dropped for someone who isn't playing well and never get your place back. Maybe he doesn't want to drop Ricardo until he is playing well so as not to damage his confidence. The same can be said for Berner and PVA/Cunningham. This criticism is in no way levelled at Ricardo, I have no doubts that he is trying his best for us, but so far it really hasn't worked.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 23 February 2011 Posted 23 February 2011 A quick question about Ricardo, can anyone give me an example of a save he made, and if you can would Weale have let it in? Weale's biggest criticism comes from letting in long shots, I've not seen or heard of Ricardo saving any, maybe there haven't been any, but I can't think of a save of note he has made. When you have a situation like on Tuesday when he punched instead of catching and the defenders looked at him as if to say what the **** are you doing, then you can be fairly sure he is not inspiring confidence. Weale just happened to have his best game in a while when we signed Ricardo, and continued to play well until he was dropped, Sven's excuse for dropping him is utter crap. You do not drop your goalkeeper when he is on form because he is on form, it is just nonsense, you may believe the replacement to be significantly better fair enough, if we had signed Given then it would be irrelevant how good Weale was playing because Given is by far and away a better keeper. Clearly Sven thought Ricardo was and still is better, but the consensus on here is he isn't, and from what I've seen he isn't. If I was Welae I would be really pissed off and what Sven has shown is that it doesn't matter how well you are playing you may get dropped for someone who isn't playing well and never get your place back. Maybe he doesn't want to drop Ricardo until he is playing well so as not to damage his confidence. The same can be said for Berner and PVA/Cunningham. This criticism is in no way levelled at Ricardo, I have no doubts that he is trying his best for us, but so far it really hasn't worked. The problem is that Sven clearly has his favourites, and regardless of how good they are they will get played. Is definitely the case in terms of the players he has brought in, all get played when really they arent much better than the people we already have. He clearly doesnt rate Weale. Kirkland was utter shite, and I hoped Sven had learnt his lesson and would stick with Weale who hadnt done anything wrong. But no, he goes for Ricardo. Despite Weale's faults, people seem to forget he was part of a defence that let in just 40 odd goals all last season, and you dont become a bad keeper over night. We have such a poor defence this season, as we havent had a settled keeper or back 4. The same can be said for Mee, he isnt bad, but is he really any better than Hobbs? I dont think so. Same for PVA and Berner, Berner comes back in when he should never have lost his place to Cunningham, and plays really well but loses his place to PVA. Its harder to compare Berner and PVA as they have different styles, but I'd rather play a consisten performer who firstly does the basics realy well in defending, and his experience is key I think. Sven has done well in terms of results, but I do feel he changes the team too much, and goes with 'his' players just because he brought them in.
Unit Posted 23 February 2011 Posted 23 February 2011 A quick question about Ricardo, can anyone give me an example of a save he made, I can think of quite a few from 2004 and 2006 :(
cc_star Posted 23 February 2011 Posted 23 February 2011 I can think of quite a few from 2004 and 2006 :( In all seriousness he was great for them, really great (bastard), but after the 3rd/4th place playoff in 2006 he went drastically downhill, he was a controversial choice for the Euros in 2008 and hasn't played since for club or country apart from a Spanish cup game, he couldn't get in the Betis team when they were in the their 2nd division. And separately too people above who say he's got 80 caps he must be good, Peter Shilton's got 125, would you want him?
ajthefox Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 In all seriousness he was great for them, really great (bastard), but after the 3rd/4th place playoff in 2006 he went drastically downhill, he was a controversial choice for the Euros in 2008 and hasn't played since for club or country apart from a Spanish cup game, he couldn't get in the Betis team when they were in the their 2nd division. And separately too people above who say he's got 80 caps he must be good, Peter Shilton's got 125, would you want him? Comparing someone who is early thirties and someone who is 61. Yeah, thats exactly the same, good point.
cc_star Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 Comparing someone who is early thirties and someone who is 61. Yeah, thats exactly the same, good point. No, they're using the point he's got caps so he must be good, despite him not playing for the best part of 4 years, and for his last 2 years he was pretty controversial, meaning its almost 6 years since he did anything meaningful. Nevermind, Sven's signed him so he's worth blindly brown-nosing, until Sven signs someone else.
accessory Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 Comparing someone who is early thirties and someone who is 61. Yeah, thats exactly the same, good point. 1) They're both past their sell-by date. Ricardo is 35. We weren't exactly fending off Barca or Inter to sign him.. 2) Neither of them are good enough now for City. Sven's judgement of goalkeepers is far from infallible. Look at Kirkland - or David Seaman from 2002...
David Guiza Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 In reply to an earlier post, He can't make good saves to shots that don't come in. Other then that ONE punch against Cardiff, which granted was ridiculous, what else did he do wrong? I'm not saying he's better or worse then Weale but he didn't exactly have a 'mare' on tuesday.
Kenners Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 Give him a chance.. If he has a mare then bring Weale in while hes in a good patch but we dont know how good Ricardo is yet so give him a few games to find his feet and get behind him.
Captain... Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 In reply to an earlier post, He can't make good saves to shots that don't come in. Other then that ONE punch against Cardiff, which granted was ridiculous, what else did he do wrong? I'm not saying he's better or worse then Weale but he didn't exactly have a 'mare' on tuesday. There was also that punch against Derby which nearly lead to a goal, and in the second half gave the ball away constantly, Give him a chance.. If he has a mare then bring Weale in while hes in a good patch but we dont know how good Ricardo is yet so give him a few games to find his feet and get behind him. Sorry, but do you think that Weale will be as good as he was pre Ricardo, 3 games sitting on the bench, do you not think it is strange that after a consistent run in the team he found his best form? Should we really be waiting for Ricardo to **** up before we drop him? I don't enjoy criticising Ricardo but he hasn't looked up to it, and the justification for dropping Weale is just weird. You don't drop anyone because they are playing well, regardless of position, regardless of who you are replacing them with, you use someone's good form as an excuse to drop them.
funkyrobot Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 Ricardo will be properly tested when the long ball merchants Coventry come to The Walkers on Saturday. I've got to be honest, I've only been impressed with his quick short passing usually to Mee in his first games, his long(ish) goalkicks when we do have to 'do a Coventry' are shorter and no more accurate than Weale's. His flapping and weak punches at crosses are a weakness that other teams will have identified and I'm sure the Sky Blues will be concentrating on come Saturday.
The Doctor Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 1) They're both past their sell-by date. Ricardo is 35. We weren't exactly fending off Barca or Inter to sign him.. 2) Neither of them are good enough now for City. Sven's judgement of goalkeepers is far from infallible. Look at Kirkland - or David Seaman from 2002... seaman was a top-quality keeper, probably one of the best england have had in the last 15 years. There was also that punch against Derby which nearly lead to a goal, and in the second half gave the ball away constantly, the punch he had to make since if he'd have caught it he'd have gone over the attacker, carrying it out his box in the process and if he hadn't made it the attacker was in behind the defence? The punch that fell to naughton only for him to pussy out and surrender possession to the derby player? Don't see how you can blame him for that near miss.
hackneyfox Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 The problem is that Sven clearly has his favourites, and regardless of how good they are they will get played. Is definitely the case in terms of the players he has brought in, all get played when really they arent much better than the people we already have. He clearly doesnt rate Weale. Kirkland was utter shite, and I hoped Sven had learnt his lesson and would stick with Weale who hadnt done anything wrong. But no, he goes for Ricardo. Despite Weale's faults, people seem to forget he was part of a defence that let in just 40 odd goals all last season, and you dont become a bad keeper over night. We have such a poor defence this season, as we havent had a settled keeper or back 4. The same can be said for Mee, he isnt bad, but is he really any better than Hobbs? I dont think so. Same for PVA and Berner, Berner comes back in when he should never have lost his place to Cunningham, and plays really well but loses his place to PVA. Its harder to compare Berner and PVA as they have different styles, but I'd rather play a consisten performer who firstly does the basics realy well in defending, and his experience is key I think. Sven has done well in terms of results, but I do feel he changes the team too much, and goes with 'his' players just because he brought them in. Jesus So you want to have Weale, Hobbs & Berner back in the side? And what a surprise, Sven has favourites. Is that a favourite as in 'teacher's pet'? Of course a manager is lokely to play the players he brought in to the club, why wouldn't he as he quite clearly rates them higher than the players they are replacing. We finally have a team where every player can play the game properly and people still aren't happy. Unbelievable, well not actually on this board.
FoxesFan123 Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 Ricardo, Mee and PVA have not been an improvement on Weale, Hobbs and Berner. SGE is so keen to play his new signings that he plays one of the dodgiest keepers I have seen here over a keeper who even Sven said was in-form, a centre back in midfield, and a centre forward on the left wing (where he's been largely ineffective).
Babylon Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 There was also that punch against Derby which nearly lead to a goal, and in the second half gave the ball away constantly, Is that the one that he couldn't catch as it would have taken him outside the area?
Babylon Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 Ricardo, Mee and PVA have not been an improvement on Weale, Hobbs and Berner. Which Hobbs are you comparing them to exactly? Because Mee has been a big improvement on the Hobbs of this season.
hackneyfox Posted 24 February 2011 Posted 24 February 2011 Ricardo, Mee and PVA have not been an improvement on Weale, Hobbs and Berner. SGE is so keen to play his new signings that he plays one of the dodgiest keepers I have seen here over a keeper who even Sven said was in-form, a centre back in midfield, and a centre forward on the left wing (where he's been largely ineffective). We could disagree about this all night but to say that Mee is not better than Hobbs is just plain ridiculous and you'll struggle to get many to agree with you. Why wouldn't Sven want to play his signings???? It isn't favouritism, he clearly believes they are better, that is why he signed them. And Dyer was better then Vassel the other night?
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