stivesfox Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 According to a mate of mine the terms of Brumas loan if he was eligible for selection the terms of loan stated he had to play in the starting XI he could only be omitted if injured or suspended! The condition of him being loaned to LCFC he had to play. Thank god Vann Arne crap didn't have same terms. I felt sorry for Mee as he has along with Naughton played well.
stivesfox Posted 23 April 2011 Author Posted 23 April 2011 It does Bruma is crap Vitor dropped after scunthorpe game, and always roles found for Bruma, centre mid at Cardiff what was that all about!! Dangerous getting clauses like this
Haydos Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Pretty sure Sven stated at the open evening that the cost of the loan went down the more games he played, not that he had to play every game.
stivesfox Posted 23 April 2011 Author Posted 23 April 2011 Big clubs in a lot of deals dictate positions and selections of players, Bruma is seen as a big loan and potential of Chelsea.
Ross 'LCFC' Turner Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Played 7 Won 0 Drew 2 Lost 5 Chelsea didnt want us in the prem
ScouseFox Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Clauses ruling out Crystal Palace at home and Derby away from this clause were evidently in the small print then.
Ashley Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Pretty sure Sven stated at the open evening that the cost of the loan went down the more games he played, not that he had to play every game. This. Same with PVA.
thybluefox Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 Clauses ruling out Crystal Palace at home and Derby away from this clause were evidently in the small print then. ! Thread finished. Just because your mate said it, doesn't make it true.
cc_star Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 Clauses ruling out Crystal Palace at home and Derby away from this clause were evidently in the small print then. Think the Derby game was because he only just signed for us & obviously had zero time with the other players, perhaps helping him to get a bit fitter through his lack of games, although if this is fit I'd hate to see what the carthorse was like before, not sure about the Palace one, but perhaps like mentioned above its - the more games he plays the cheaper his loan is, which is just another way of saying it would be extremely expensive to NOT play him - which is practically the same as forcing him to play when available.
thybluefox Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 The difference in playing him 9 games or 10 games (for example) would be negligible. Plus its not exactly like we've been trying to save money this season is it. Sven plays him because, rightly or probably wrongly, he thinks he's the best man for the job.
Kitchandro Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 I'm not sure what's worse - Sven doing what Chelsea tell him to or Sven thinking Bruma and PVA are good
sphericalfox Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 I think it's kind of naive to say that Sven shouldn't be listening to what Chelsea say to him, if it is in fact, true that Bruma had contracted in his loan agreement, that he had to play if not injured/suspended. Why in the world would we want to be friends with Chelsea or the likes of Manchester City? Relationships between clubs don't grow on trees. Whether you or I agree on the principle of Bruma getting auto chosen due to his contract or not, Chelsea are only doing what's in their best interest for their player. And what's wrong in that? I would have thought that for Moussa that his loan agreement with Doncaster might have the same agreement, though I've not been following him closely, he does seem to be playing a lot. I am happy to be put right. Of course the above is still pure speculation. Sven has stated that the fee lowers the more he plays. It could be argued also that Sven, believe it or not/ rightly or wrongly, chooses to play Bruma, as during training he has proven to be the best option. Or tactically Bruma is a better option due to his strength, pace, or positioning abilities etc. Who knows? There is of course the other option, which I mentioned on a different thread. Pressure from above. The Thais apparently have stated that they have spent far more than they expected to this season already. They rule the roost when it comes to the purse strings. They may have said to Sven play Bruma at every opportunity otherwise we can't afford the electric bill for the two new screens we're installing in the summer! Anyways, the worry is that we are becoming someone else's beatch when we loan players and people are concerned. They are too right to be concerned, but I also think that we probably do the same thing. Bruma is a highly regarding Chelsea asset. They want him to get games under his belt. It is a shame that Bruma hasn't at times been capable of performing his best. I don't believe he's been as bad as people make out. But that's my opinion. I thought he made strides to score during set pieces and corners during the Florist game, but they didn't happen. But at least the effort was there. Which is a bit better than some others who are contracted for the team. I think those who don't want loanees in next season, are in for a bit of a disappointment, as I'm pretty certain areas of our team will have loanees as first choice, pushing out 'fan favourites'. Thus 216 threads discussing this matter in scrupulous speculative detail.
Callabinho Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 Thing I'm annoyed at it that if Vitor was being played benfica might have let us loan him again! As it stands ****ing around with bruma and bamba may cost us!
bald reynard Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 According to a mate of mine the terms of Brumas loan if he was eligible for selection the terms of loan stated he had to play in the starting XI he could only be omitted if injured or suspended! The condition of him being loaned to LCFC he had to play. Thank god Vann Arne crap didn't have same terms. I felt sorry for Mee as he has along with Naughton played well. That's exactly what I heard and when I asked others what they thought of this (last week, in the Tunchev thread), all I got was abuse from Babylon - saying what a load of c**p and Sven wouldn't be paying a match fee to Chelsea, for a player that wasn't worth his place ! The 'rumour' about the terms of the loan (and I emphasise rumour, because, of course, us poor fans don't KNOW for definite) COULD only be the explanation for picking someone who is so rubbish (and I stand by that statement made in the Tunch thread, after seeing him against F****t). He's a disaster, can't defend, is a liability in midfield (committing himself in challenges all over the place) and has no sense of the direction of goal when he goes up front for set pieces. Our defensive record in matches he's played, is atrocious. The sooner he goes back to Chelsea, the better (and I'm so glad they seem to rate him - and won't want to sell him to us !). I await more abuse - from Babylon and others - but if that happens, can they explain WHY he keeps getting picked (when Vitor and Mee have always been available) ?! People should also look at the FT Poll on defensive partnerships - when I last looked, only ONE person had selected Bruma as a centre back partner (out of 50 or so votes).
Corky Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 They probably are good players, they just don't seem to fit in as well with us.
Outfox the Fox Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 That's exactly what I heard and when I asked others what they thought of this (last week, in the Tunchev thread), all I got was abuse from Babylon - saying what a load of c**p and Sven wouldn't be paying a match fee to Chelsea, for a player that wasn't worth his place ! The 'rumour' about the terms of the loan (and I emphasise rumour, because, of course, us poor fans don't KNOW for definite) COULD only be the explanation for picking someone who is so rubbish (and I stand by that statement made in the Tunch thread, after seeing him against F****t). He's a disaster, can't defend, is a liability in midfield (committing himself in challenges all over the place) and has no sense of the direction of goal when he goes up front for set pieces. Our defensive record in matches he's played, is atrocious. The sooner he goes back to Chelsea, the better (and I'm so glad they seem to rate him - and won't want to sell him to us !). I await more abuse - from Babylon and others - but if that happens, can they explain WHY he keeps getting picked (when Vitor and Mee have always been available) ?! People should also look at the FT Poll on defensive partnerships - when I last looked, only ONE person had selected Bruma as a centre back partner (out of 50 or so votes). That would have been Sven !!
Kenners Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 Pretty sure Sven stated at the open evening that the cost of the loan went down the more games he played, not that he had to play every game. Definately this. Plus you're all looking at it the wrong way, we're getting a refund everytime he plays badly.
Father Ted Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 Bruma has cost us this season end of. His debut against Cardiff was the beginning of the end. Whilst he has played we haven't won. His stupidity, bad attitude, arrogance and general twattishness cost us a vital 3 points at Middlesborough (which would have given us plenty of confidence to go to the next step). I can't believe people are saying, 'he was world class against QPR though', it was his fault for their goal, losing Ismael Miller. Oh look, he doesn't play against Scunthorpe and Burnley and we win... Against Reading he got torn a new one by Kebe and Long and was at fault for the second. He couldn't even be bothered to sprint back after he got skinned, instead just took a gentle jog back like he was going for a pre-season jog on Vicky Park. His radio interview on Friday stuck of BS, also after the Portsmouth game he claimed their goal was due to a lack of communication from Ricardo, ironic really that Bruma can barely speak English. What have John Curtis, Moreno and Paddy McCarthy got in common? They've done better jobs than Bruma.
accessory Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 What have John Curtis, Moreno and Paddy McCarthy got in common? They've done better jobs than Bruma. Harsh but true.. You can also add Jacob Laursen, Martin keown and Jamie Clapham to that list..
Babylon Posted 25 April 2011 Posted 25 April 2011 That's exactly what I heard and when I asked others what they thought of this (last week, in the Tunchev thread), all I got was abuse from Babylon - saying what a load of c**p and Sven wouldn't be paying a match fee to Chelsea, for a player that wasn't worth his place I gave you a load of abuse did I? Said you were talking crap did I? Funny that because when you look at my actual response in the Tunchev thread there is none of that. You asked how much credence there was in the rumour about his contract. And I replied: None, otherwise what's the point in agreeing with them that the more he plays the lower the loan fee will be. May as well play him all the time when our playoff chances finally die so that we can save the cash for next year. So, this time I can state you are talking crap because you are a liar. Besides the point stands, if you have to play every game why have a clause that reduces payments the more you play. Not forgetting he didn't play against palace when he was fit to do so. Saying "my mate says" really doesn't add much to the debate unless his mate works on players contracts... Which I highly doubt. More likely they all read the made up nonsense on here and then repeat it.
Babylon Posted 25 April 2011 Posted 25 April 2011 Bruma has cost us this season end of. I can't believe people are saying, 'he was world class against QPR though', it was his fault for their goal, losing Ismael Miller. There are 21 other players on the pitch who can change the outcome of a game, to blame one man is completely ridiculous. We had the same thing when Ricardo was playing, everyone looking for someone to blame. Now he's not playing people are wanting to shift the blame again. The players rating thread v forest highlights how much people WANT to hate him, getting 2's and 3's is ridiculous when his performance was in no way THAT bad. Is Bruma at fault for our strikers missing a shed load of easy chances? For midfielders not tracking runners? For Weale throwing the ball I'm his own net or letting in a shot from distance? For Bamba, Mee, PVA not marking players or making individual errors? You list a small number things to try and highlight it's his fault but you could probably get a list Like that for every player. You certainly could for Bamba who has been making as many mistakes of late as anyone. And I seem to think it was Miller who did Bamba for pace and not Bruma. Not on my comp do I can't check for certain. If you don't like him or don't rate him then fine, most would agree he's not been great, but to pin it all on him is in my opinion very short sighted.
davieG Posted 25 April 2011 Posted 25 April 2011 Merc Defender Jeffrey Bruma says the Leicester City players have been quick to rally round keeper Chris Weale following his horror mistake in Friday's defeat at Nottingham Forest. Weale stayed on the ground in a state of disbelief after a shot from Forest skipper Paul McKenna crept under him and over the goal-line. That settled the match, which was vital to both sides' play-off hopes, 3-2 in Forest's favour. Weale is set to keep his place against Watford at the Walkers Stadium this afternoon because, even if manager Sven-Goran Eriksson had been thinking of a change, Ricardo suffered a shoulder injury in training yesterday. Bruma admitted he was "surprised" by that crucial goal after City had twice hit back to equalise in a pulsating contest. He added: "I was surprised. I had headed the ball away and the player has had a shot and it has gone in but I don't want to point the finger at Chris." Bruma says mistakes are a collective responsibility rather than down to individuals. He added: "If they are made, you support each other. "We have conceded goals in games and I don't really know why. "We have had injuries and suspensions but you can't blame anyone individually. The team spirit has been good and we are a unit." Bruma said, each time City equalised against Forest, they thought they could go on and win the game. "We went to 1-1 and then 2-2 and we were the better side and had chances at 2-2 to win which is the frustrating thing. I had one, but with my left foot. "We gave everything on a hot day and we kept trying to win the game. There was a lot of disappointment in the dressing room at the end of the match. "We went into the game with the motivation to win it. The manager told us it was a must-win game." Now, Bruma says the priority now is to give the City fans something to cheer about in the final three games of the season, starting with the visit of the Hornets this afternoon. He said: "We want to end the season on a high and give the fans something to cheer. They were positive and loud at Forest and it was good to hear them." City have conceded 10 goals in their last five games and Bruma added: "We must also aim for clean sheets. That is important."
Charl91 Posted 25 April 2011 Posted 25 April 2011 I'v been very dubious of Bruma. That being said, he did look much better alongside Vitor in the last game. Not going to hold the first goal against them, as I think even top side defenders would have had problems with that, and the third one was a weale suicide.
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