Guest MattP Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 And look who's having the last laugh? Us. That woman has now been made to look a liar and now we're all happy she is dead. Justice. It won't bring back the 96 but I hope they kick **** out of her when she rocks up to heaven thinking she owns the place. In one Scummy city in the North West widely reknown itself by the nations people for it's dishonesty. I don't think Mrs Thatcher would be too bothered what that lot thought of her.
Alf Bentley Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 RIP Baroness, your policies helped take my family off a council estate and into the suburbs. well as long as you did ok out of it. That little exchange neatly sums up her legacy: selfishness and division She was a PM who declared war on half her own country - and won. 20 years ago, I immaturely imagined enjoying this moment, but instead I feel a great sadness. Not for Thatcher or her family, as I do not know them, though obviously it is sad when someone close to you dies. Instead, I feel sad for the thousands and millions of her people who were discarded, crushed, attacked, brutalized or defamed, while others profited from the savagery. I also feel sorry for our country, which has become a more disjointed, grasping, sometimes sordid place since Thatcher. Changes were certainly needed, with the 1970s economy stagnating and falling behind - and the unions bear some responsibility for intransigently looking after their own interests at the expense of the wider community (though short-termist capital and unimaginative management bear some responsibility, too). But did such brutal division need to be sewn? Old industries were bound to decline and disappear, but did whole communities need to be cast adrift with so little effort to oversee a transition to new forms of work, new ways of living? Flogging council houses was popular with those who benefited personally, but what about the generations that followed, with councils starved of funds and prevented from building more? Many now unable to afford house prices inflated by a bubble partly caused by the lack of a housing policy... The baby was brainlessly thrown out with the bathwater. Has the country really benefited long-term from the Thatcherite approach? Where is the private sector that was supposed to step in to take the place of outdated industries and help to rebalance our economy away from a dependency on financial speculation? A legacy of conflict, division, selfishness and sordid decay....half a country defined as "the enemy within"; politicised police waving banknotes at striking miners; DHSS harassment; "Rejoice!" at the needless drowning of hundreds of Argentine conscripts; get rich or get poor....Some did very well out of it, but many did not - and the community as a whole did not. I don't see much to party about, though I'm glad that some people more directly harmed by her lived to see this day.
Manwell Pablo Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 In one Scummy city in the North West widely reknown itself by the nations people for it's dishonesty. I don't think Mrs Thatcher would be too bothered what that lot thought of her. The Right Honorable Baroness no less
hackneyfox Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 It was under Thatcher that people were moved from unemplyment benefit to disability benefit to massage down the unemployed figures.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Unsurprisingly, this strikes me as immensely dense. You don't give a toss what she may or may not have done to your own community as long as she fought a war for one thousands of miles away? Well, and you. You live in a country she helped to shape - for good or for ill. how do you know my family history though? None of my family worked in the pits so it didn't affect me directly. As for the community I couldn't tell you the financial impact her decisions had on it. Coalville has always been run down! As for the Falklands, it was a part of history to be proud of for want of a better word. Defending our territories and our people with swift action. Why do you always expect everyone to agree with your way of thinking and look down your nose at those who don't?
MrSpaM Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Evil woman. How anyone North of Watford can have anything but hate toward her amazes me. She is the cause of so many on benefits that the current tories are moaning about. Do you honestly believe the mines would still be open now if they hadnt have closed? Do you honestly think people would want to work in them if they were? The problem today isn't lack of jobs, it's that the current generation coming out of schools think they are too good to work a normal job just to get by. The amount of people i've heard in the past 5 years say 'I'm not working in a warehouse, i have a degree!' is bordering on the ridiculous.
johnny the fox Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 I have actually met and spent the afternoon with her and dennis (piss artist) at the tory party conference bournemouth.. she did have a "presence" and an energy, that was my young man's impression. but for david cameron to say she "saved" the country is laughable.. This is the end of a historic chapter, but it proves to us all once again ... that whatever we think we do or achieve, how important we think we are, or indeed how big our ego's may be, we all end up in the boneyard in the end.. so as Alfi once said.."whats all about"? we are all just dust in the wind.
Tempwan Yierban Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Do you honestly believe the mines would still be open now if they hadnt have closed? Do you honestly think people would want to work in them if they were? The problem today isn't lack of jobs, it's that the current generation coming out of schools think they are too good to work a normal job just to get by. The amount of people i've heard in the past 5 years say 'I'm not working in a warehouse, i have a degree!' is bordering on the ridiculous. Look here everyone. Look here. Someone who understands the problem!
I am Rod Hull Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Got to love mattp's generalizations. He`s FT`s top Thatcherite, she could do no wrong in his eyes He probably wouldn`t remember the power cuts during the Thatcher years when the Tory government turned the power off to millions of homes because of the lack of coal being produced due to the miners strike..... even though they`d stockpiled about 12 months worth supply in the few years previous It was all planned years before it happened and Scargill knew it.
Manwell Pablo Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 how do you know my family history though? None of my family worked in the pits so it didn't affect me directly. As for the community I couldn't tell you the financial impact her decisions had on it. Coalville has always been run down! As for the Falklands, it was a part of history to be proud of for want of a better word. Defending our territories and our people with swift action. Why do you always expect everyone to agree with your way of thinking and look down your nose at those who don't? That's not strictly true mate, it used to be quite a vibrant town, a shi1t hole mineing town granted but quite vibrant, apparently the closure of the destroyed it.
Captain... Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 That's alright. Remember Thatcher was evil. Fixed it for you.
Manwell Pablo Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Fixed it for you. Pretty sure Ben Thatcher is still evil mate. Nice try though.
hackneyfox Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Do you honestly believe the mines would still be open now if they hadnt have closed? Do you honestly think people would want to work in them if they were? The problem today isn't lack of jobs, it's that the current generation coming out of schools think they are too good to work a normal job just to get by. The amount of people i've heard in the past 5 years say 'I'm not working in a warehouse, i have a degree!' is bordering on the ridiculous. I'm working on Crossrail at the moment, plenty of ex miners working on the tunnels, a couiple have mentioned that Kent still has reserves that are bigger then all the coal we have currently used. You seem to be somewhat set in the lazy idea that everyone on benefits choses to be that way. There are more people than jobs.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 That's not strictly true mate, it used to be quite a vibrant town, a shi1t hole mineing town granted but quite vibrant, apparently the closure of the destroyed it. Fair enough! Neither saga had a direct impact on my life anyway I don't believe. I just think it was important for us to do what we did in the Falklands to show we were no walkover. I'd say it has shaped the welfare of our country too. Had we have let the Argies stay on the islands who's to say other territories wouldnt have been invaded since?
yorkie1999 Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Do you honestly believe the mines would still be open now if they hadnt have closed? Do you honestly think people would want to work in them if they were? The problem today isn't lack of jobs, it's that the current generation coming out of schools think they are too good to work a normal job just to get by. The amount of people i've heard in the past 5 years say 'I'm not working in a warehouse, i have a degree!' is bordering on the ridiculous. The blokes that were on 1200 quid a week before bonus over at dawmill seemed happy enough! And with 200 years worth of coal beneath us we must be pretty dumb to be even thinking of building nuclear power stations. I know all this shit because the bloke who works next to me lives there.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 I'm working on Crossrail at the moment, plenty of ex miners working on the tunnels, a couiple have mentioned that Kent still has reserves that are bigger then all the coal we have currently used. You seem to be somewhat set in the lazy idea that everyone on benefits choses to be that way. There are more people than jobs. Are you working on Liverpool St by any chance I was doing the offices there for them last summer
theessexfox Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 I'm not old enough to comment on her politics, but celebrating the passing of an old lady is moronic.
MrSpaM Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 I'm working on Crossrail at the moment, plenty of ex miners working on the tunnels, a couiple have mentioned that Kent still has reserves that are bigger then all the coal we have currently used. You seem to be somewhat set in the lazy idea that everyone on benefits choses to be that way. There are more people than jobs. Not really, I just get hacked off at these people who claim our country has no jobs because people from other european countrys are taking them all. The fact of the matter is that these foreign workers are doing the jobs that our society can't be bothered to any more. Alot of school and university leavers in this country seem to think they have a devine right not to be working lower paid jobs any more, because they are somehow better than everybody else.
I am Rod Hull Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 The blokes that were on 1200 quid a week before bonus over at dawmill seemed happy enough! And with 200 years worth of coal beneath us we must be pretty dumb to be even thinking of building nuclear power stations. I know all this shit because the bloke who works next to me lives there. My brother and nephew are were at Daw Mill. The nephews moved to another mine but my brother is thinking of retiring, hes 51
Captain... Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Pretty sure Ben Thatcher is still evil mate. Nice try though. Christ, didn't even make the connection, just thought it was an angry person, is he still evil? He may have calmed down a bit.
Leicfox Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 She'll be remembered by myself for crimes against humanity.
Manwell Pablo Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Christ, didn't even make the connection, just thought it was an angry person, is he still evil? He may have calmed down a bit. Bad to the bone.
The Guvnor Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 I imagine in 20 years time were going to be celebrating the deaths of all the troops that have died in this 'war against terrorism' *cough* stealing another country's oil *cough* as well. Best get stitching that Tony Blair rules ok flag, what a hero... You appear to assume I am of a particular political persuasion. I remember the savage beatings thousands of Miners and their families received whilst trying to protect their basic rights. I couldn't give a flying fvck about Tony Blair
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