Unabomber Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 I like Man Utd as far as you can like another team when you support Leicester properly. How come?
Matt Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 David Moyes has been cut from 28/1 to 16/1 to be the next Premier League manager to leave his club. (According to the Telegraph) I sure I only saw 10/1 a few weeks ago.
Bryn Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 https://vine.co/v/MWieQE5d7OL Moyes celebrates hard won point at home to Fulham.
Stadt Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 David Moyes has been cut from 28/1 to 16/1 to be the next Premier League manager to leave his club.Quite high odds anyway
Unabomber Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 https://vine.co/v/MWieQE5d7OL Moyes celebrates hard won point at home to Fulham. Moyes is so weird.
RowlattsFox Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Why? IIt's primarily how fault they lost today. I'll repeat again, awful tactics and no plan b. When are players going to take the blame? Shit defending and lack of quality in final third. Moyes could have done things differently granted, but only so much a manager can do. Needs to helped by his players, especially when it comes to seeing out a game with 5 mins to go against a knackered Fulham side.
Guest ttfn Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Problem for United was that Fulham crowded out the middle so the only option was to go wide and cross it. It's not a failing of Moyes if Fulham's centre backs have a stormer or Mata and Rooney are crowded out by the ridiculous number of bodies in there. United's execution in the final third was poor but they were indisputably the better team and deserved to win that game by 2 or 3 goals. Following on from last week at Stoke where again they were by far the better side and lost its hard to see how things are going to get better for them. They just can't catch a break at the moment. Smalling is an embarrassment. I wouldn't have him in our team at the moment. The fact that he's starting for United and England is horrendous.
Guest ttfn Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 When are players going to take the blame? Shit defending and lack of quality in final third. Moyes could have done things differently granted, but only so much a manager can do. Needs to helped by his players, especially when it comes to seeing out a game with 5 mins to go against a knackered Fulham side. He picked a good enough side to win that game comfortably, which is what would have happened 95 times if that game was played 100 times. It was a complete freak, like the Forest game for us.
Guest ttfn Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 When are players going to take the blame? Shit defending and lack of quality in final third. Moyes could have done things differently granted, but only so much a manager can do. Needs to helped by his players, especially when it comes to seeing out a game with 5 mins to go against a knackered Fulham side. Doubled up.
Matt Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Hmmmmm tough one for me midweek. United v Arsenal, think I want United to win that one, just.
foxes_rule1978 Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 United can still get in the Champions League next season, they just need to win the Champions League...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 How come?My dads influence really. He was a 'proper' fan til he stopped going due to the violence. So its his fault, but by the time I was of a football going age (in his eyes) he'd started to follow leicester's results and that was where he first took me.I'd like them anyway to be fair after what they did in the 90's. Some of the hatred for them on here and their reasoning behind it is laughable. Its a fact they happened to get good at a time when sky took over. They're not like Chelsea or man City who got good by being bankrolled.
One Legged Beaver Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 The signing of Mata is really starting to baffle me. Sign him for £37 million, a club record, and then play him out of position because they already have someone they deem better in his suited position. Why not just buy some quality players in the positions they needed with that money instead?
Unabomber Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 My dads influence really. He was a 'proper' fan til he stopped going due to the violence. So its his fault, but by the time I was of a football going age (in his eyes) he'd started to follow leicester's results and that was where he first took me. I'd like them anyway to be fair after what they did in the 90's. Some of the hatred for them on here and their reasoning behind it is laughable. Its a fact they happened to get good at a time when sky took over. They're not like Chelsea or man City who got good by being bankrolled. Fair points mate. Good point about them happening to be doing well when sky took over, that obviously influenced a lot of people. It would be interesting to see if the same love in would have happened if another team had been dominant at that time.
Matt Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 The signing of Mata is really starting to baffle me. Sign him for £37 million, a club record, and then play him out of position because they already have someone they deem better in his suited position. Why not just buy some quality players in the positions they needed with that money instead? I said it when they signed him...PANIC! Yes he is a good player, a very good player but it was a panic buy who I don't see fitting in in the current Man Utd team, whether he's a signing that will be built around remains to be seen but at this current moment I stand by saying it was a panic buy that won't work for United.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Fair points mate. Good point about them happening to be doing well when sky took over, that obviously influenced a lot of people. It would be interesting to see if the same love in would have happened if another team had been dominant at that time.I'm not saying they got more famous because of sky though thats undoubtedly true I meant you hear some people accuse man utd of buying the titles. They never actually did that from any other external source other than sky unlike Blackburn, Chelsea and Man City. Its not Man Utds fault they'd stuck with a shrewd manager who started picking up trophies at the right time. I admired him bringing in the English class of 92 too. There wasn't another team you could say contributed 5-6 players to the national side at the time.I also respect Fergie and his longevity. When he retired he'd been manager for very roughly exactly the same time I'd been alive. Thats astonishing especially when you look at their demise now. I know some cracking proper STH Man Utd supporters in Coalville. I also know the glory boys such as my brother. The STH fans are nothing short of knowledgeable about football and are willing us up this season. The glory boys are inevitably losing interest. I appreciate Fergie came across as a tosser but the what others can't appreciate is that he said and did things purely for the interest of his side. I see that likeness in Nige if I'm honest. Who cares if he's dour in an interview or gives nothing away? Its doing the trick. Edit- had another side first won the sky title then we could indeed be having this conversation about someone else. But I put it down to jealousy from other clubs that A. It wasn't them and B. Even if it had been them they'd probably not have had as good a manager in place to capitalise on skys investment.
Corky Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Moyes is under so much pressure not helped by the fact that Fergie is watching his every move, what are the odds on Fergie returning to the touchline? Fergie got him the job, so of course he will watch his every move. Moyes won't be sacked any time soon.
Fox92 Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Wookie, on 09 Feb 2014 - 6:14 PM, said:Not used the transfer market widely either. I still think Fellaini was signed just because they couldn't get anybody else. I'm not doubting he's a good player, although not a Manchester United player imo, but Moyes was reported to have tried for so many players which didn't come off. Mata is obviously World Class, and I think it was harsh how he was apparently treated by Mourinho, but again, I question whether he was signed as more of a crowed pleaser than improvement. Obviously he's going to improve any team in the division, but when you've got Rooney who is the same type of player. Hmm. They miss the threat from midfield, the goalscoring midfielder they have always had. Look down the years, Cantona, Scholes, Giggs, Beckham, Keane - they all chipped in with goals.
Alf Bentley Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Going to be fascinating watching what happens to Man Utd over the next few months / couple of years. They're now 9 points away from 4th place (with decent Spurs and Everton teams also above them) with only 13 games left, many of which are going to be tricky (Arsenal A, Palace A, Liverpool H, West Ham A, Man City H, Everton A...). I really think the moment Bent headed in today was the moment their Champions League hopes ended. Past MU teams might have been good enough to make up that gap, but this one isn't. How many top quality players have they got - and how many of them will be around in a couple of years? Vidic (who already seems to be fading), Evra and Van Persie are getting on...will the Glazers stump up for quality replacements? Rooney, Mata & Carrick are quality; De Gea probably, too - and Januzaj, though he's still young so there could be hiccups. Any others? Fellaini? Valencia? Hernandez? Good, but not top quality, surely...while the likes of Rafael, Smalling & Cleverly look sub-standard. Although it probably won't happen, they could conceivably even fail to qualify for the Europa League. Assuming that Man City win the League Cup and someone other than the top 4 reaches the FA Cup final (a realistic assumption given the draw - 2 of the top 4 will go out next round), then Man U will need to finish at least 6th, above either Everton or Spurs, to be in Europe at all.... ignoring potential oddities like an English team winning a European trophy or getting a fair play wild card. If Man Utd are in the Europa League next season - or even not in Europe at all (though I think they'll still make the Europa) - what sort of calibre of player will they be able to attract in the summer, particularly given their manifest failure last summer?! What will the response of the Glazers be to such a scenario? They don't seem the sort to splash out massive sums in order to re-establish the club as a Champions League regular - or will they bite the bullet? Or will they cut their losses and run with the loot they've already pocketed? Do they have top quality youngsters coming through? Do they have the quality of advice to appoint a manager who can build a new Champions League-qualifying squad within 1-2 years - or is Moyes capable of that? Even a massive club like Man Utd can fall very quickly. Like many others on here, I can remember when Liverpool swept all before them in the late 70s and 80s, then suddenly became a team of secondary quality. Will this be a sea change? I think that it might well be.... It was Mark Robins, wasn't it, who scored the famous goal that kept Fergie in a job and set Man Utd up for 20 years of near-dominance? Well maybe Darren Bent's goal today will go down in history as the moment that came to an end for a very long time.
Webbo Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Going to be fascinating hilarious watching what happens to Man Utd over the next few months / couple of years.
Stadt Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Moyes doesn't really strike me as a 'builder' type of manager and I think he can continue to throw money at the situation but it won't get him anywhere which will ultimately get him sacked. A new manager will come that'll be able to sort them out financially and build a team for the future which probably won't work out in the short term but in the whole it'll put them back on track as a club with both the playing staff and finances looking good. Worryingly, it points to Pearson !
Alf Bentley Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Going to be fascinating hilarious watching what happens to Man Utd over the next few months / couple of years. You cruel brute, Webbo! In all honesty, I don't hate Man Utd in the slightest. They've tried to play football the right way during their period of dominance (unlike, say, Leeds in the late 60s/early 70s ). The few genuine Man Utd fans I've known were decent blokes (I lived in Salford/Manchester for 4 years in the 90s). I'll be extremely amused to see all the fair-weather fans fade away, though, and to see the little boy next door (horrible father) shame-facedly ditch his Man Utd shirt and replace it with a blue Leicester shirt Barcelona shirt! I really suspect this is the end of an era (or confirmation of it, after Fergie's departure / the Glazer takeover, whichever you consider the true turning point).
Guest ttfn Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 Moyes doesn't really strike me as a 'builder' type of manager and I think he can continue to throw money at the situation but it won't get him anywhere which will ultimately get him sacked. A new manager will come that'll be able to sort them out financially and build a team for the future which probably won't work out in the short term but in the whole it'll put them back on track as a club with both the playing staff and finances looking good. Worryingly, it points to Pearson ! Moyes built the current generation of Everton up from nothing. They had no good players and were perennial 12-17th finishers. He left them with Coleman, Jagielka, Baines, Fellaini and Mirallas via routinely keeping Everton in the top 6/7 and qualifying for the Champions League. If there's one thing Moyes has proved he can do, it's build a team that needs re-vamping
MC Prussian Posted 9 February 2014 Posted 9 February 2014 What today's result proves even more is that money can buy you a lot of things, but not success. Plus, the market regulates everything so that cycles come and go. You cannot maintain success forever when the competition is amassing better and higher-quality assets, e.g. players. I just wonder how many ManU "fans" throughout the world are thinking about burning their replica shirts and buying a light blue, red/white or Liverpool one instead. However, I fear that without some sort of regulation, we'll soon see the same four/five clubs make it out amongst themselves for years or even decades to come and the rest acting as mere passersby. Well, still better than giving the trophy to the same two or three clubs all the time. Competition at the top has become more fierce, which is good for TV, sponsors and fans of the respective teams. It's the gap to the teams starting in 6th or 7th place that I worry about.
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