Corky Posted 12 November 2013 Posted 12 November 2013 Mourinho's been the anti-climax of the season so far. Chelsea have been no better than they were last season and Mourinho's coming across very bitterly. Sadly you'll get some people use his recent quotes as if it's some form of genius but it's just embarrassing bitterness because he knows they've been handed a point at home to 'mickey mouse' West Brom. I'd love to see Chelsea not come in the CL places. Would be absolutely hilarious. Or even better, they come 4th, spunk hundreds of millions on the next 'fashionable' FM14 wonderkids and lose to Fenerbahce in the CL play-offs. Chelsea were better under Benitez, he at least realised Mata is the best player and played the rest of the team around him. Plus their best striker is on loan at Everton.
21st Century Fox Posted 12 November 2013 Posted 12 November 2013 I wonder who Palace will go for now that Karanka's going to Boro.
Leicesterpool Posted 12 November 2013 Posted 12 November 2013 I wonder who Palace will go for now that Karanka's going to Boro. I can see Millen being given the job till the end of season, i think it's boiling down to nobody is interested! Looks like even Pulis doesn't even fancy it. Does anybody else think MON was there first choice for the job?
Fox92 Posted 12 November 2013 Posted 12 November 2013 Chelsea were better under Benitez, he at least realised Mata is the best player and played the rest of the team around him. Plus their best striker is on loan at Everton. Yeah, agree with both of these.
Leicesterpool Posted 12 November 2013 Posted 12 November 2013 The strange thing about Chelsea fans are they criticized Benitez to hell yet i seem to recall them slaughtering a few teams at home and playing some attractive football, yet now there scrapping draws at home against the likes of West Brom at home playing boring football and the fans seem happy
Jimothy Posted 13 November 2013 Posted 13 November 2013 The strange thing about Chelsea fans are they criticized Benitez to hell yet i seem to recall them slaughtering a few teams at home and playing some attractive football, yet now there scrapping draws at home against the likes of West Brom at home playing boring football and the fans seem happy It's already been alluded to in this thread, and anyone who knows even the tiniest thing about football knows Chelsea fans hate Rafa because of something he said years ago, whilst they love everything Jose does. So Jose can afford a few draws v WBA because he a god to them, Rafa could win the quadruple and would still probably get booed.
Dan Posted 13 November 2013 Posted 13 November 2013 The strange thing about Chelsea fans are they criticized Benitez to hell yet i seem to recall them slaughtering a few teams at home and playing some attractive football, yet now there scrapping draws at home against the likes of West Brom at home playing boring football and the fans seem happy Welcome to Chelsea. Everything wrong with football in this country. Agree with Corky too. It was Mourinho who made me unsure about Ozil but I'm starting to think Jose himself is the problem. Convinced he's doing this with Mata to prove a point. Loaning out Lukaku was ridiculous but we all saw it coming. It's absolute lunacy.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 13 November 2013 Posted 13 November 2013 Fulham appoint Rene Meulensteen to work "alongside" Martin Jol. Replacing Jol before he's been sacked perhaps?
21st Century Fox Posted 13 November 2013 Posted 13 November 2013 Fulham appoint Rene Meulensteen to work "alongside" Martin Jol. Replacing Jol before he's been sacked perhaps? Meulensteen is a ****ing nutcase. Some of the stuff the players at Brøndby said after his reign there was brilliant. Nielsen also spoke about training sessions where the players were juggling with the ball and Meulensteen would suddenly would jump in front of them and yell “BOOOH†in their faces. This was meant to prepare them for the noise there would be at the stadium when they played in front of 10.000-15.000 people, he explained to them. This confused the players even more because average attendance during the 04/05 season was almost 16.000 and in both the 04/05 and 05/06 season they had played before 40.000 people against FC Copenhagen away and in front of 28.000 (the maximum capacity of Brøndby Stadion) at home. Therefore, the players knew what it was like to play in front of a big crowd and simply didn’t need these strange lessons. Brøndby was facing Frankfurt in the UEFA Cup. Before the match started, Meulensteen gathered the players in the locker room together in front of a white blackboard. He then started pointing at the players and made them tell what kind of animal they wanted to be on the field. The players found this very weird and no one answered. As the captain Nielsen felt like he had to step up, and says he wants to be a snake. Meulensteen then replies: “No no, Per, goddammit. That won’t work. Snakes are slow animals, we cannot have snakes in our defense, the Germans will outrun us then.†Nielsen replies: “Then I’m a tiger. Is that okay?†Meulensteen: “That’s perfect! Tigers are brave, fast and strong. That is exactly what we need from a captain.†After this, the other players responded and Meulensteen then drew the starting lineup containing a tiger, a fox, an elephant, a giraffe and a lot of other animals. When Meulensteen was done drawing the starting lineup, he said: “That’s great, boys. We are smart, fast and clever animals on the field today. We cannot lose today.†While this was going on Nielsen was looking at the blackboard and thinking: “We are sending an entire zoo on the field today.†Then Meulensteen said a few words about the tactics, but no one was listening anymore because everyone was shocked about what they had just witnessed. They were all looking at the blackboard to keep track of the animals and simply thinking “What is going on?†Then Meulensteen left the locker room and all of the players started laughing, and asking each other “What the hell was he doing?†http://russianfootballnews.com/inside-meulensteens-time-at-brondby/
Stadt Posted 13 November 2013 Posted 13 November 2013 Meulensteen is a ****ing nutcase. Some of the stuff the players at Brøndby said after his reign there was brilliant. http://russianfootballnews.com/inside-meulensteens-time-at-brondby/ If Holloway is loved by the media, Meulensteens is going to be adored
StanSP Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 Rene does it all on the inside though. Holloways does all his craziness on the outside (and inside, who's to know). I've never heard or read about a Meulensteen press conference. Can't be as good/bad as Ollie can he?
Super_horns Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 West Brom asking for video replays over penalties - offsides and handballs next? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24937668
Corky Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 This was always going to happen, goal-line was the start of technology being wanted for several incidents. Problem is that one referee's intepretation might be different to another's, then where do we go?
Fox92 Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 West Brom asking for video replays over penalties - offsides and handballs next? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24937668 I always knew this was going to happen. If you introduce technology, where does it stop? I do feel for West Brom, they were 'robbed' of 3 points and a great result, but if technology is used for most decisions then the game will just be stop-start.
AdamN Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 I always knew this was going to happen. If you introduce technology, where does it stop? I do feel for West Brom, they were 'robbed' of 3 points and a great result, but if technology is used for most decisions then the game will just be stop-start. It already is stop start. How often do controversial penalties get given where the ref doesn't have to spend 2 minutes dispersing angry players and restoring some sort of order?
Fox92 Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 It already is stop start. How often do controversial penalties get given where the ref doesn't have to spend 2 minutes dispersing angry players and restoring some sort of order? That's true, but then what? ... If it is used to confirm a penalty, I swear teams will want it used everyone. 'Oh that's not a corner referee' etc... Players should just be more sporting and honest, it will never happen, but I've had it before where the ball's come off me in a football match and I've just accepted it came off me when asked. I know that's a massive difference compared to playing at a professional level (club and international) but surely the referee's job would be easier as well?
AdamN Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 That's true, but then what? ... If it is used to confirm a penalty, I swear teams will want it used everyone. 'Oh that's not a corner referee' etc... Players should just be more sporting and honest, it will never happen, but I've had it before where the ball's come off me in a football match and I've just accepted it came off me when asked. I know that's a massive difference compared to playing at a professional level (club and international) but surely the referee's job would be easier as well? Personally I've always thought the appeal system would be the best way to go about it. 1/2/3 appeals per manager, per game. If you want to waste your appeal(s) on something as minor as a contested throw-in then so be it.
Kitchandro Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 Personally I've always thought the appeal system would be the best way to go about it. 1/2/3 appeals per manager, per game. If you want to waste your appeal(s) on something as minor as a contested throw-in then so be it. So because a dumbass manager wastes his challenges it's ok for the ref to later make a season changing cock up? That doesn't sit right with me. Why should the manager, or even the captain make challenges anyway? Why them ahead of other players who might have seen it better? There should be no challenging at all in football. It's very simple for me, the refs need to get decisions right. Stuff like this is basically an acceptance that they utterly shit at their job. That is the wrong attitude. If decisions are made wrongly, I'm afraid it's tough shit. Maybe refs should receive punishments if they are costing teams points, not like now where refs like that cvnt John Moss can cost us a win at the City Ground and then a few months later is refereeing in the Premiership, cocking things up week after week in the top flight. But things will become overcomplicated and it will cause more problems if we make referees review decisions. I'm afraid there has to be some acknowledgement that you will get bad decisions against you sometimes. That is football. But there needs to be external pressure on these officials. There is plenty at the ground and it influences them to make wrong decisions (often for the home side for example) so they need to be made aware that it's not the crowd's or players' abuse they should be worrying about - it's their careers that are on the line. We need to improve referees. I'm not saying that's easy, but we are looking at things from the wrong perspective here. We shouldn't be trying to remove human decision from the equation, because not only would that ruin the game, it would be completely impractical.
RowlattsFox Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 A lot is made about referees but there needs to be punishments for Ramires and players that dive. He doesn't intentionally try to win a penalty than there is no decision for refs to make. Players can't complain about shit decisions if they are trying to con a ref two minutes later. Anyway, I would be against video replays, goaline technology is enough for me. We see how opinions on decisions vary every week. It is not always a clear decision.
Kitchandro Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 A lot is made about referees but there needs to be punishments for Ramires and players that dive. He doesn't intentionally try to win a penalty than there is no decision for refs to make. Players can't complain about shit decisions if they are trying to con a ref two minutes later. Anyway, I would be against video replays, goaline technology is enough for me. We see how opinions on decisions vary every week. It is not always a clear decision. I agree but I'm sure the FA will say 'well there's contact there' and when you've got twats like Owen and Neville (as much as I think he's actually an intelligent football person most of the time) say things like 'if you feel contact you're entitled to go down', it makes things difficult. There are blatant dives and then there are blatant clever dives. I mean I know he's conned the ref, you know he's conned the ref, the ref and the FA are the only ones who seems clueless. Technicalities seem to make it hard to punish players for things that we know are cheating.
Guest MattP Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 To be fair the coaches challenge stuff works absolutely fantastically well in the NFL. I think one a half over here would work brilliantly.
Super_horns Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 Maybe if players and managers were more honest/less biased we might see refs admitting mistakes and trying to improve but these days they get criticised by either side depending on what their decision is... You only know if a ref had a really poor game if the manager of the team who gained from a mistake admits so like Mark Hughes did after the Swansea/Stoke match. On the other hand we had Mourinho saying the ref was total right to give a penalty BUT said West Brom 2nd goal was a foul... Suppose so long as it was respected and the decision accepted a review system might work for incidents such as penalties but then what if the ball still in play....
Fox in the North Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 To be fair the coaches challenge stuff works absolutely fantastically well in the NFL. I think one a half over here would work brilliantly. Yes this is the thing I don't understand. The review systems work fine in nfl and rugby, but the moment you suggest such things for football, all these reasons come up. As already said, some decisions in footie games take minutes to make due to the ruckus that they cause, so where's the problem with a video ref for that moment? Common sense just needs to be applied, unfortunately, football desperately needs this in most areas.
Guest MattP Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 Unfortunately football fans in general are very backwards and don't like to even try and make any progress. The sport still has the bloke in the middle timekeeping, something most other sports stopped 20 years back.
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