Leicesterpool Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 So i think next sacking in the premier greed is between Villas-Boas at spurs or Allardyce at West Ham. I could actually see horrible Arry returning to West Ham! i doubt he'd go back to Spurs.
Dan Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 I find it ridiculous how if they've been booked, they can't face further action. Rules like that need changing because there's no point in them and they benefit absolutely no-one.
21st Century Fox Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 So i think next sacking in the premier greed is between Villas-Boas at spurs or Allardyce at West Ham. I could actually see horrible Arry returning to West Ham! i doubt he'd go back to Spurs. Luis Enrique is tipped for Spurs should they give AVB the boot. Obviously Franco Baldini's choice. He didn't exactly set the league alight at Roma and Celta have been poor.
Dan Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 Giving AVB the boot now would sum up everything wrong with the Premier League.
Happy Fox Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 Luis Enrique is tipped for Spurs should they give AVB the boot. Obviously Franco Baldini's choice. He didn't exactly set the league alight at Roma and Celta have been poor. Laudrup would be perfect for them.
21st Century Fox Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 Giving AVB the boot now would sum up everything wrong with the Premier League. I would agree but apparently it's not based on results as much as his personality. Apparently Lewis and Levy don't like his lack of taking responsibility and the fact he blames players, medical staff and fans rather than taking any of the flak himself.
Dan Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 I would agree but apparently it's not based on results as much as his personality. Apparently Lewis and Levy don't like his lack of taking responsibility and the fact he blames players, medical staff and fans rather than taking any of the flak himself. So why did they let him splash over £100mil on players?
Guest MattP Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 So why did they let him splash over £100mil on players? You couldn't make it up could you? Give a guy an open chequebook on the clubs biggest ever sale and then get rid soon after. Think chairman will ever take some responsibility as well in the game? These ones who plough money in and then just appoint the wrong man after the wrong man (assuming they keep sacking them). Ever heard an apology from a chairman or owner for continually inept decision making?
21st Century Fox Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 I highly doubt AVB had much say in the signings, thats Franco Baldini's job, especially given all the activity with Roma. It's more like they've given him the opportunity to handle a £100 million worth of goods and he's been found wanting and they don't like his attitude when he's under pressure. If Luis Enrique does become his successor it's pretty obvious Baldini's running the club.
NewburyFox Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 So why did they let him splash over £100mil on players? It's a fair point, however by selling Bale, their star player, for £85m, they couldn't not give him the money to reinvest. In reality, he's "only" spent £20-30m which, while still a huge amount, isn't just giving him an open chequebook and letting him spend over £100m on whoever he wants.
Dan Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 It's a fair point, however by selling Bale, their star player, for £85m, they couldn't not give him the money to reinvest. In reality, he's "only" spent £20-30m which, while still a huge amount, isn't just giving him an open chequebook and letting him spend over £100m on whoever he wants. That isn't the point though. The manager should get it - fair enough, but if they don't think he's fit for the job due to a personality issue, then why did they allow him to spend all that money? Have they really since spending that money decided that they don't like his attitude? Ineptitude on the chairmans behalf if so.
21st Century Fox Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 That isn't the point though. The manager should get it - fair enough, but if they don't think he's fit for the job due to a personality issue, then why did they allow him to spend all that money? Have they really since spending that money decided that they don't like his attitude? Ineptitude on the chairmans behalf if so. But he didn't spend the money. The club/Baldini did. It's more like he's been put in charge of a group of expensive players and so far he's not handled it well, as opposed to he put together the squad himself. Both sides must be rueing their decisions at the moment, AVB for calling for a Technical Director and the board for not biting off PSG's hand for him last summer.
Dan Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 But he didn't spend the money. The club/Baldini did. It's more like he's been put in charge of a group of expensive players and so far he's not handled it well, as opposed to he put together the squad himself. Both sides must be rueing their decisions at the moment, AVB for calling for a Technical Director and the board for not biting off PSG's hand for him last summer. The whole organisation there is a total mess. They deserve to fail for that alone.
21st Century Fox Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 The whole organisation there is a total mess. They deserve to fail for that alone. It's not really a mess though, it's just the first incarnation of the European management structure (As in, the first with Baldini because they tried it before with Comolli). In theory the Head Coach is dispensable and the trust is in the Technical Director. When it works you end up with a fluid transition from coach to coach and keep the same playing philosophy (Similar to Swansea, Laudrup is just a Head Coach and doesn't like to get involved with transfers). When it works it can be great, there just haven't been any/many successes for it over here yet. I don't think AVB is a particularly bad "manager", he just doesn't seem to have the maturity/experience to take it on the chin and shoulder his responsibility when he's failing. I'm sure much of that is due to the treatment he gets from the media and his time at Chelsea. I can't understand why he asked for a prolific striker, got one in Soldado and then doesn't play to his strengths.
Finnegan Posted 28 November 2013 Posted 28 November 2013 I really don't see the problem, to be honest. If you employ a coach to coach and he isn't doing a job you remove him. I agree with 21CF, it's really not all that surprising or bizarre, it's just not the "norm" in this country. If the same was happening at Milan or Juve then they wouldn't be batting an eyelid. We're just used to our managers having complete autonomy. But, actually, there's no evidence to suggest either structure is better. As long as both manager and director are comfortable to work that way then great. If they're not, you find a Head Coach that is. It's not like the players Spurs signed are over-paid-for crap. I think most people agreed they'd done good business and that AVB had a terrific team to wield. There's no way that squad should be getting humped six nil by anyone.
21st Century Fox Posted 29 November 2013 Posted 29 November 2013 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/29/andre-villas-boas-tromso-fan-sacked-chant-ejected
purpleronnie Posted 29 November 2013 Posted 29 November 2013 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/29/andre-villas-boas-tromso-fan-sacked-chant-ejected How can that be justified? verbal abuse? jeeez.
Kitchandro Posted 29 November 2013 Posted 29 November 2013 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/29/andre-villas-boas-tromso-fan-sacked-chant-ejected Wow he has a huge opinion of himself doesn't he.
StanSP Posted 29 November 2013 Posted 29 November 2013 I used to be a fan of AVB. I'm slowly going off him, especially after that latest story.
ScouseFox Posted 29 November 2013 Posted 29 November 2013 Mourinho having a decent dig at Lukaku after his interview this week. Lukaku was going on about how he's loving it at Everton and it's "the best thing he's done in his career to date" etc, and Mourinho said the only thing he forgot to mention was "the real reason he was at Everton and not Chelsea at the moment". Hmmm.
Stadt Posted 30 November 2013 Posted 30 November 2013 I think Mourinho dislikes Lukaku on a personal level, he doesn't seem particularly keen on him at all.
Leicesterpool Posted 30 November 2013 Posted 30 November 2013 I think Mourinho dislikes Lukaku on a personal level, he doesn't seem particularly keen on him at all. Mourihno doesn't like any player that he personally didn't sign. Mata is another with the same problem.
Unabomber Posted 30 November 2013 Posted 30 November 2013 Mourihno doesn't like any player that he personally didn't sign. Mata is another with the same problem.What about Oscar, Lampard, Terry, Hazard etc?
Guest MattP Posted 30 November 2013 Posted 30 November 2013 Jose has been losing the plot a bit since Madrid, the arrogance we loved now looks like petulance. I dread to think what he'll be like if he starts winning nothing. I still can't work out what is going on with Mata.
Dan Posted 30 November 2013 Posted 30 November 2013 Mourinho's just embarrassing himself and trying to use this mythical genius persona many perceive him to have to try and get one over on people. This whole Mata business is an absolute joke and it's nothing but an ego massage. As for Spurs - fair argument 21CF. But does AVB not have a single say in who is even signed? I'm not a fan at all of that set-up if that's the case.
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